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So the citizenship question on the census form really wasn't necessary was it?
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Jul 13, 2019 05:37:25   #
wolffy
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Please trying to explain to undereducated, un-informed trump and his supporters, the purpose of the census is to count PEOPLE, not only CITIZENS.

The founders used the citizen 28 times in the constitution, so they what the word was, but in the explicit duties of the census, they used the word PEOPLE.

And I agree with many rightwingers, the founders were far smarter than trump, silly congressional republicans, hannutty, limblah and most trump supporters

Obammy is the pos that took the question off of the census!

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Jul 13, 2019 06:16:44   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Let me see if I understand you and your position. Why do you think a census is taken? Do you think the census will make a difference in representation of US citizens? Do you think that our laws and the way our tax monies are spent should be determined by non-citizens? Are you okay with the number of schools being built in your area or state? How about the number of emergency response teams? Hospitals? Senior health care facilities? How about supermarkets in your area? All this depends on accurate census data.

It is true, there are other avenues to find out how many people are residing in a community that are illegals (either crossing into the US at a non-entry point or having overstayed a visa) the more efficient way of gathering this data would have been through the census. However, using other means will allow the government to allot fundings for states (for such things as infrastructure, medical support, emergency responses and so forth). So, if your state does not receive increases in funds.... it is probably because a complete count of all the people in your state was not made. Regardless, neither side should gain a value in new illegals voters..... but, that remains to be seen.

It is apparent that many have not given this problem thought beyond giving a black eye to the President. So, later on when your forest is on fire and there are not enough firefighters... or your child has a medical emergency and the nearest hospital is 90 miles away (funding cuts closes facilities) and your child dies.... or a law is passed that says you can not complain about a religious system, and you are fined.... Please do not blame the President...... look in the mirror to see who was shortsighted.
Let me see if I understand you and your position. ... (show quote)


You took some thoughts right out of my head.

But America is watching and taking notes. Trump is a genius! He just drives down the alley and avoids the roadblock and keeps on trucking! He knows a lot of those illegals will be gone by 2020. I can hear it now from coast to coast "La Migra" (Border Patrol run, scatter, hide). Jose tells Hector, you big dummy you're supposed to be quiet and not open the door, why did you jump out the window and run essay? Because that how my dad, uncles and I always did it. It's a habit. How did you get caught? Hector says I was out of beer, I thought I could make it to the ice house for more.

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Jul 13, 2019 07:15:59   #
PJT
 
Citizenship question on census is important. The Supreme Court ruling was nonsense. I don't always agree with the SCOUTS but I usually feel both sides have a point. In this case the ruling was nonsense.
I'm afraid Pres. Trump's alternative won't serve the same purpose. The census question was vital to our country.
If the SCOTUS doesn't stop these foolish, mean spirited and partisan rulings by District Courts our 3rd branch of government may very well destroy our form of government, aiding and abetting socialists, modern Democrats, and our seriously corrupted media.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:28:50   #
Big dog
 
factnotfiction wrote:
After all of the silly ranting and hyperbolic rhetoric from the usual rightwingnuts, trump declared that the citizenship question really wasn't necessary after all, and that 90% on the information on PEOPLE in the country is already available.

So if that is true, then all of the usual rightwing blather about "millions and millions" of illegals living in the country can easily be proven or disproved.


A very good chance that trump and barr will look like fools


Trump wanted to stir up the dementiacrats, and it worked

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Jul 13, 2019 10:02:51   #
factnotfiction
 
Seems that the most upset and unhinged, whining and crying and hand-wringing is coming from the usual rightwingnut in congress and rightwingnut media, and ergo the same rightwingnuts on social media, including OPP.

taterhead trump does know how to inflame his base

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Jul 13, 2019 11:19:18   #
kemmer
 
factnotfiction wrote:
After all of the silly ranting and hyperbolic rhetoric from the usual rightwingnuts, trump declared that the citizenship question really wasn't necessary after all, and that 90% on the information on PEOPLE in the country is already available.

So if that is true, then all of the usual rightwing blather about "millions and millions" of illegals living in the country can easily be proven or disproved.


A very good chance that trump and barr will look like fools

WILL look like fools? Why the future tense?

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Jul 13, 2019 11:52:41   #
MR Mister Loc: Washington DC
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Please trying to explain to undereducated, un-informed trump and his supporters, the purpose of the census is to count PEOPLE, not only CITIZENS.

The founders used the citizen 28 times in the constitution, so they what the word was, but in the explicit duties of the census, they used the word PEOPLE.

And I agree with many rightwingers, the founders were far smarter than trump, silly congressional republicans, hannutty, limblah and most trump supporters


So you never read the constitution I see. It states that it's necessary to count the CITIZENS of the United States every 10 years. The word CITIZENS is used 8 times. Check it out boy.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:10:24   #
kemmer
 
MR Mister wrote:
So you never read the constitution I see. It states that it's necessary to count the CITIZENS of the United States every 10 years. The word CITIZENS is used 8 times. Check it out boy.

This is not 1787; circumstances have changed a bit.

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Jul 13, 2019 12:47:18   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
This is not 1787; circumstances have changed a bit.


It says the census shall be taken every ten years in such a manner as the Congress shall direct.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:20:18   #
kemmer
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
It says the census shall be taken every ten years in such a manner as the Congress shall direct.

Congress, not the president.

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Jul 13, 2019 13:24:37   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
MR Mister wrote:
So you never read the constitution I see. It states that it's necessary to count the CITIZENS of the United States every 10 years. The word CITIZENS is used 8 times. Check it out boy.


They are allergic to truth. Not allowed by their daddy.

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Jul 13, 2019 14:12:17   #
factnotfiction
 
MR Mister wrote:
So you never read the constitution I see. It states that it's necessary to count the CITIZENS of the United States every 10 years. The word CITIZENS is used 8 times. Check it out boy.






Prove it boy

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Jul 13, 2019 15:25:42   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
factnotfiction wrote:
Prove it boy



I just checked my copy of the Constitution and he is in fact correct. The word citizen or citizens is used more than he has said. I would suggest that you take prior advice and get a copy of the US Constitution and READ it. You might learn something.

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Jul 13, 2019 15:27:07   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
kemmer wrote:
This is not 1787; circumstances have changed a bit.




The Constitution hasn't changed except as it has been duly amended. You are not entitled to make your own amendments to it.

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Jul 13, 2019 15:33:18   #
factnotfiction
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
I just checked my copy of the Constitution and he is in fact correct. The word citizen or citizens is used more than he has said. I would suggest that you take prior advice and get a copy of the US Constitution and READ it. You might learn something.





The word CITIZEN is indeed in the constitution, but the debate is whether the constitution specifies that ONLY CITIZENS are to be counted.

Here is the clause in the 14th amendment that designates who is to be counted.

Q: What does the Constitution say about the census?

A: The 14th Amendment, which reworked the original constitutional words on the census, says, “Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State.”

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