For All You Creationists, Why The Ark?
Apr 2, 2014 11:02:04 #
Nickolai wrote:
The ark is just one of a very great number of contradictions n the Bible. It is a collection of allegorical books crafted to convey a moral teaching. It is filled with discrepancy's, contradictions, and absurdities. Such as Bats are birds, and dead people can be resurrected. And a man can live in the belly if a whale.
I humbly say this to you: You may have many things that are tangiable in your life now. Things that make your life easier, maybe better than some. But today is a fleeting thing, it only last 24 hours. You may have many more of such time periods. However, one day, the clock will maybe start to lose time, maybe even stop because the mainspring will have broken.
What do you have to support you then, what hope, what answer will you or you family have to hold on to? Things that are seen are temporal, it is the unseen things by faith are eternal. I know in a modern world this seems like a fantasy. I don't know how old you are, but I remember Dick Tracy in the comics. He had a wristwatch two way radio. As A kid we used to have a fantasy of owning one, the grownups laughed at our fantasy games. Guess what?
We are now talking on a billion way wristwatch radio's.
I ask you, not for my sake, but for your sake and the sake of all you love or who love you. Don't take the chance of leaving them feeling totally helpless, broken hearted, empty. Give them and yourself hope and seek the Lord while He may be found.
Apr 2, 2014 12:25:03 #
Tradition not wasted in the marketing strategy of the A.C.A., it will however be quite interesting to see, the result from the revelation this is all the 'dhimmi' (jizya tax) that every Islamicate is required to pay to an Islamic state where, the majority Muslims, allow the infidel (kuffar) to live in the minority as long as the religious blackmail is paid. How long to extricate that whale's meal?
Apr 2, 2014 12:47:03 #
Do you understrand how a story told orally can change over time. working in a sizeable shop I've told a storyand three months later somebody else would tell me the same story with differant spins on it. Everybody that heard the story would hear it a little differantly and put their own spin on it. Immagine how stories can be told and legends grow over centuries or millinea.
For instance the story of moses was told and retold long before a written language was developed . The only writtren language of the time in that part of the world was Egyption hieroglyphcs. The history of anchient Egypt is written in this form on walls of their tombs, Temples, and Palaces, And there is no record of Jewish slaves in Egypt or of an Egytptian army being swallowed in the Red Sea. And not a shred of evidence of 600,000 Jews wandereing in the Sanai dessert fof 40 years
For instance the story of moses was told and retold long before a written language was developed . The only writtren language of the time in that part of the world was Egyption hieroglyphcs. The history of anchient Egypt is written in this form on walls of their tombs, Temples, and Palaces, And there is no record of Jewish slaves in Egypt or of an Egytptian army being swallowed in the Red Sea. And not a shred of evidence of 600,000 Jews wandereing in the Sanai dessert fof 40 years
Apr 2, 2014 13:13:16 #
rodulfo-tardo wrote:
Tradition not wasted in the marketing strategy of the A.C.A., it will however be quite interesting to see, the result from the revelation this is all the 'dhimmi' (jizya tax) that every Islamicate is required to pay to an Islamic state where, the majority Muslims, allow the infidel (kuffar) to live in the minority as long as the religious blackmail is paid. How long to extricate that whale's meal?
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Apr 5, 2014 08:51:15 #
Trying to understand wrote:
So, God killed everyone including innocent children and babies except for Noah and his family? Whose God is that? I am a Christian who thinks she knows a parable when she reads it.
In Matthew 24:36, when explaining to His disciples how it would be possible to recognize the approaching end of time before His return, Jesus recognized Noah's flood as a historical reality:
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."
If Jesus does not believe Noah and his ark were a parable, it's not a parable.
Apr 5, 2014 09:17:21 #
Apr 5, 2014 09:17:32 #
Apr 5, 2014 09:36:35 #
I will attempt to reply to your post in spite of this damn computer.
The Pentatuech, long attributed to Moses, was not written until the Babyonian captivity, around 540 BC. The actual events surrounding the Exodus occurred about 900 or so years prior to this. There is ample evidence of the Hebrew captivity about the time of the overthrow of the Hyksos invaders, who destroyed the Egyptian Old Kingdom. There is evidence pointing to some sort of kinship between the Hyksos and the Hebari, who were the ancesters of the Hebrews. There is evidence of several Exoduses, (Exodii?), the largest of which, or perhaps an amalgamation of them, became the basis for the Biblical story. There is evidence of the destruction of an Egyptian force, although in a different location. It is not difficult to see how this could all be woven into the narrative. Just as most legends have a basis in fact, many Biblical stories thought to be flights of fancy have solid historical events as a launch pad.
The Pentatuech, long attributed to Moses, was not written until the Babyonian captivity, around 540 BC. The actual events surrounding the Exodus occurred about 900 or so years prior to this. There is ample evidence of the Hebrew captivity about the time of the overthrow of the Hyksos invaders, who destroyed the Egyptian Old Kingdom. There is evidence pointing to some sort of kinship between the Hyksos and the Hebari, who were the ancesters of the Hebrews. There is evidence of several Exoduses, (Exodii?), the largest of which, or perhaps an amalgamation of them, became the basis for the Biblical story. There is evidence of the destruction of an Egyptian force, although in a different location. It is not difficult to see how this could all be woven into the narrative. Just as most legends have a basis in fact, many Biblical stories thought to be flights of fancy have solid historical events as a launch pad.
Apr 5, 2014 10:17:01 #
Loki wrote:
I will attempt to reply to your post in spite of t... (show quote)
My personal belief as a Christian is that the scribes of Israel wrote all of the books and kept them in order. I have read that they are so meticulous in their writings as to throw away and destroy an entire hand written page for one tiny error.
No one knows for sure if the were hand written books before then or not. Since we have not found these as of yet does not mean that they do not exist only that they are as yet not found.
The other verse in the Bible that insures to me that these are accurate stories is the verse that holy men of god spoke as they were moved by the holy spirit. As a believer in creation and the entire Bible, I also believe that this is Gods instruction book to His creation, and if He is going to give His instruction book to His creation He will make sure it is accurate.
Apr 5, 2014 11:03:57 #
please take this as it is sent. Kindly. 2 Tim. 3:15-16 talks about the Bible being inspired by God. John 3:16 tells us that our salvation comes by belief in Christ.
If we believe our salvation comes by following the words in the Bible yet doubt the Genesis record as being also true we have a problem.
Then what other parts of the Bible is not true. Logical bottom line: None of it can be trusted.
Heb. 11:1 Says faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I fear if we begin to pick and choose what we think makes sense or what others say then we destroy the value of the Bible. Then we become like a ship without a rudder.
Paul gives a very strong argument about believing by faith in 1 Cor.15:1-20 and following. Please don't think I am trying to argue, but as the Bible says, " If the foundations crumble, where will the righteous be?"
If we believe we are saved by believing in God's word, then how can we say we don't believe some parts and not others? As the old saying goes, "you can't be a little bit pregnant, either you is, or you ain't." :lol: :lol: :idea:
If we believe our salvation comes by following the words in the Bible yet doubt the Genesis record as being also true we have a problem.
Then what other parts of the Bible is not true. Logical bottom line: None of it can be trusted.
Heb. 11:1 Says faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I fear if we begin to pick and choose what we think makes sense or what others say then we destroy the value of the Bible. Then we become like a ship without a rudder.
Paul gives a very strong argument about believing by faith in 1 Cor.15:1-20 and following. Please don't think I am trying to argue, but as the Bible says, " If the foundations crumble, where will the righteous be?"
If we believe we are saved by believing in God's word, then how can we say we don't believe some parts and not others? As the old saying goes, "you can't be a little bit pregnant, either you is, or you ain't." :lol: :lol: :idea:
Apr 5, 2014 11:08:23 #
bahmer wrote:
My personal belief as a Christian is that the scri... (show quote)
Amen, bahmer,
If an Israeli scribe made a mistake while writing a new copy of the Holy Scriptures, the scroll was buried, - and he started all over.
A God who can create the heavens and the earth can handle protecting His word, as Jesus promised in both the Old and New Testament:
"Matthew 24:35: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Mark 13:31: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Luke 21:33: "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."
Isaiah 40:8: "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago,
Titus 1:3 but at the proper time manifested, {even} His word,
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