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Apr 1, 2014 22:15:03   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Apparently, this Moody's statement from January forgot to consider the bailout clause in the ACA. There's actually no risk to insurers. If it doesn't work, the taxpayers bail them out.

Evangel wrote:
http://ellmers.house.gov/latest-news/moodys-downgrade-shows-imminent-danger-in-obamacare/

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Apr 1, 2014 22:16:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Spreading the risk only works if everyone is paying in. You just admitted we were subsidizing people before without health care. What has this law changed? Unless you are getting a subsidy your healthcare is getting much more expensive. That's a fact. The problem is not health care it is the cost. The ACA does nothing to reduce costs. This law raises costs. Same problems as before, just costs more.
BoJester wrote:
Good points, but on the flip side, why should I have to subsidize those who don't chose to purchase health insurance from a private company?

Why should those who use emergency rooms and doctors for primary care not have insurance coverage? Why should the unisured get the benefit without ever having to pay?

Since EVERYBODY will require healthcare at some point in their lives, everybody should have "skin in the game". Which is what conservatives always say about paying taxes.

Even young people who are healthy, have accidents, or get pregnant, or suffer from serious disease.

For those seniors who whine about paying for maternity or pediatric coverage, young people must support the screenings for osetoporosis and prostate trouble, including the various cancers that more often occur in the elderly.

It the well established insurance concept of spreading the risk.

And no company will ever have the ability to spread the risk like a national health plan
Good points, but on the flip side, why should I ha... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2014 22:46:53   #
Had enough
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Hoofuckingray


WHAT!!!! What exactly are you so happy about.

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Apr 1, 2014 23:05:38   #
Had enough
 
So now the previously uninsured have insurance and the once insured have none! Makes sense only on the left. I don't want to hear any crap about now people who were denied insurance before have insurance now. My health insurance was changed several times after I became ill and I never kgot turned down for new coverage. Even while I applied for life insurance I was never turned down, in honesty my life I insurance did put 1 stipulation on me. I had a 2 year wait to have my Rheumatoid Arthritis covered, but all other causes of death were covered immediately . So I really doubt very many people were actually denied coverage for health care. RA meds are very expensive and my insurances covered almost all costs. Those who just were to lazy to work could have gone and applied for Medicaid all along. This is big gov. Sticking their big noses in our business and gaining more control over us. The millennial s didn't want anything to do with obamacare just a few days ago, and now according g to odumbo today 3 million of them just signed up. That's a bunch of bull s--t!! Anyone who believes him is truly a foolish person.

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Apr 1, 2014 23:26:53   #
Nickolai
 
Under our existing system the cost of our health care eats up over 17 % of GDP, more than double any other civilized country, all of whom have some form of universal health care, yet near 50 million citizens have torely on hospital ER's the most costly and inefficient health care. The ACA is acctually a compromise between a single payer stystem with an overhead cost of around 3% and the now 20% overhead and profit of the market based ACA.

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Apr 2, 2014 03:51:36   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
Ding dong, theyre 300 million people in this country.
Oblamer said Obummerscare would get 30-40 million covered, are you retarded? are you using you Obama village idiot calculator again? Liberals are great at "maf"
BWHAHAHHAHAHHAA FAIL
BoJester wrote:
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not vote when any entitlement is taken away

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Apr 2, 2014 04:44:18   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
BoJester wrote:
How does Social Security work?


The approximate one half of the people who work for a living send a little bit of money each pay period to go into the social security lock box. The government then steals the money and spends it for golf trips and other fun stuff. Then every month they print new money and send less than enough to survive on to the people who contributed more than they will get back. Eventually they wont be able to print enough unsecured money to keep up and the system will crater; they say somewhere around 2035.

So that's how single payer will work, only for all 320 million of us! Sounds like a plan Stan...

Thanks for the info.

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Apr 2, 2014 06:01:25   #
Cody
 
If everybody and I mean EVERY PERSON living in this country were made to take out Obama's insurance... I assure you, it would have been in the garbage the second day it was thrown our way. But Obama has given so many waivers to the Unions, big businesses, et al... and of course.. ALL government employees... he has no one left to force it on..

But the unaware and blind idiots must abide by the rules or pay a hefty fine of $1,000.... It was an EITHER or OR contract he put forth.... But when a person sells a product... they must BELIEVE in it too... Does Obama believe in his product.... I think not... he just wants a NAME for himself.

Actually, he didnt start this... Hillary did.. he just stole her idea and ran with it to make it his own.

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Apr 2, 2014 06:08:34   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
Had enough wrote:
How is it odumbo can not see the devestation being caused by his signature healthcare law?



He sees it. He and his handlers planned it that way.

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Apr 2, 2014 10:16:06   #
robert66
 
Could you give a more specific answer concerning cost.?

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Apr 2, 2014 10:22:27   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
You are 100% correct. Obama care is here to stay. If repubs and "conservatives" want to waste their time beating on a dead horse all they are going to accomplish is losing elections
BoJester wrote:
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not vote when any entitlement is taken away

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Apr 2, 2014 10:24:48   #
hprinze Loc: Central Florida
 
robert66 wrote:
Could you give a more specific answer concerning cost.?






If you will click ouote reply everyone will know who you are asking the question of.

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Apr 2, 2014 10:42:48   #
Terry Allan Hall Loc: Republic O' Tejas
 
BoJester wrote:
Everyone should have the right to have health insurance.

It is a benefit of an evolved society

I support this law because it is better than what the system was, but I am still hoping for a public option to reduce costs, and finally a single payer system to reduce the profits that patients who suffer from debilitating disease have to pay.


Exactly...it's not the final step, but it's an excellent first step.

America should've had Single Payer from the beginning, but Corporate Scoundrels and their GOP lackies fought against it.

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Apr 2, 2014 10:44:37   #
robert66
 
These comments seem to sound like standard political opposition as perpetrated by the republican party. More specific complaints with some financial detail would make for a more purposeful discussion. I'm not trying to start a fuss but I have yet to talk to someone that can honestly say, "I paid (blank) for my health insurance before and now I have to pay (blank) for health insurance costing me so much more with higher deductibles and less coverage. I can tell you this much about my own experience. I was injured, fired by my employer and then was unable to purchase any health insurance due to preexisting conditions. Eventually I could qualify for medicare based on permanent disability. Went about a year and a half with no health insurance for my family and I. Luckily nothing terrible happened during this time. If it would have we would probably be bankrupt. I made a concerted effort to purchase health insurance at that time. This is not made up bullsh#t.Now tell me this was the medicare an entitlement? Why would the president want to f#*k over the general populace? Wouldn't it be better if the republicans would help to make this law work as it is obviously at the very least worth a try? I believe the reason why so many people seem to be against this is because they have been rendered senseless by the ridiculous onslaught of misinformation spewed by the republicans. Why would they do that? The answer is obvious. They are completely controlled by wealthy entities. If you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

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Apr 2, 2014 10:51:35   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
Exactly...it's not the final step, but it's an excellent first step.

America should've had Single Payer from the beginning, but Corporate Scoundrels and their GOP lackies fought against it.


:thumbup:

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