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Apr 1, 2014 18:09:20   #
Evangel
 
http://ellmers.house.gov/latest-news/moodys-downgrade-shows-imminent-danger-in-obamacare/

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Apr 1, 2014 18:44:58   #
Had enough
 
Evangel wrote:
http://ellmers.house.gov/latest-news/moodys-downgrade-shows-imminent-danger-in-obamacare/


How is it odumbo can not see the devestation being caused by his signature healthcare law? How are we to pay huge premiums, pay mortgages, utilities, gas for our cars and feed our families when we can't find full time jobs. What about our other debts? How can't he see???? I am not on obamacare thank God. I have Medicare through Humana and it covers all my needs for $104.00 a month and my husband also covers me ( for around $400.00 a month) on his insurance which is exceptional. It's my children and their families that stress me out. I worry for all of Americas families. This insanity has to stop!!!

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Apr 1, 2014 18:51:08   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Hoofuckingray

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Apr 1, 2014 19:19:09   #
BoJester
 
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not v**e when any entitlement is taken away

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Apr 1, 2014 19:55:26   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
BoJester wrote:
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not v**e when any entitlement is taken away


BoJester-of the reported 7.1 million enrollees -how many have paid a premium? How many were previously insured and lost their insurance due to the UnACA ? How many are on medicaid with no premiums ? How many are subsidized by the taxpayer ? The administration does not have the answer to any of those questions and you call that success. The UnACA is doomed to failure unless a large percentage of young and healthy sign up and pay high premiums. That is the only way the low income earners can be subsidized other than to take the money from the general revenue fund of the country. If that happens, all you have done is waste a few billion dollars in a failed exercise the end result of which is an expansion of medicaid. That could have been done without the hoopla and added expenditures. This is what happens when people who do not have the talent to run a hot dog stand attempt to run a country. The democrats who v**ed for this knew better but opined that the American people would swallow the bait, line, hook and sinker. It has, however, come back to bite them and the worst pain is yet to come and that is when the employer mandate kicks in and millions more loose their coverage. Many of those will be democrats and they will not be happy. If you do not understand this simple premise it is because you either do not want to or are too ignorant to see what this fiasco does to the middle class. Good Luck America !!!

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Apr 1, 2014 20:03:08   #
BoJester
 
You sound like you got your talking points from the fools at faux or fat limburg.

Since ALL of the insurance is pruchased through private insurers, how many have been billed? How many paid by CC? How many paid the first premiums by check? So that is just an empty and desperate conservative argument.

The companies will release the information on their schedule, not the republican whiners

But the ACA will not ever be repealed, and will be expanded and improved to either a public option to keep costs down, or to the best outcome, single payer.





Ricko wrote:
BoJester-of the reported 7.1 million enrollees -how many have paid a premium? How many were previously insured and lost their insurance due to the UnACA ? How many are on medicaid with no premiums ? How many are subsidized by the taxpayer ? The administration does not have the answer to any of those questions and you call that success. The UnACA is doomed to failure unless a large percentage of young and healthy sign up and pay high premiums. That is the only way the low income earners can be subsidized other than to take the money from the general revenue fund of the country. If that happens, all you have done is waste a few billion dollars in a failed exercise the end result of which is an expansion of medicaid. That could have been done without the hoopla and added expenditures. This is what happens when people who do not have the talent to run a hot dog stand attempt to run a country. The democrats who v**ed for this knew better but opined that the American people would swallow the bait, line, hook and sinker. It has, however, come back to bite them and the worst pain is yet to come and that is when the employer mandate kicks in and millions more loose their coverage. Many of those will be democrats and they will not be happy. If you do not understand this simple premise it is because you either do not want to or are too ignorant to see what this fiasco does to the middle class. Good Luck America !!!
BoJester-of the reported 7.1 million enrollees -ho... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2014 21:23:24   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I know better than to ask you a serious question but I can't help myself. What if this law is as devastating to our country as we conservatives think? You would still support this law I take it because your savior Obamma is for it. We know and you know its not working or it wouldn't have been lied about to sell it, wouldn't have been changed possibly illegally 29 times and the list goes on. Just what do you find so endearing about this law?
BoJester wrote:
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not v**e when any entitlement is taken away

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Apr 1, 2014 21:27:00   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
BoJester wrote:
With 7.1 million sign ups, conservatives are watching their dreams of repeal evaporate by the minute.

The reality is that conservatives better get off their dead asses, and work to IMPROVE this law, because some of the sign ups are republicans and conservatives, and will not v**e when any entitlement is taken away


Good point. A couple of questions; What are the most important points of improvement in you studied opinion? Which areas would benefit most from restructuring?

And, should we read the proposed improvements before we enact them or should we just pass them to see what's in them?

What's your thinking? And please don't disappoint me, I am most anxious for more of your insightful commentary.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:28:39   #
BoJester
 
Everyone should have the right to have health insurance.

It is a benefit of an evolved society

I support this law because it is better than what the system was, but I am still hoping for a public option to reduce costs, and finally a single payer system to reduce the profits that patients who suffer from debilitating disease have to pay.







JFlorio wrote:
I know better than to ask you a serious question but I can't help myself. What if this law is as devastating to our country as we conservatives think? You would still support this law I take it because your savior Obamma is for it. We know and you know its not working or it wouldn't have been lied about to sell it, wouldn't have been changed possibly illegally 29 times and the list goes on. Just what do you find so endearing about this law?

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Apr 1, 2014 21:34:41   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
BoJester wrote:
Everyone should have the right to have health insurance.

It is a benefit of an evolved society

I support this law because it is better than what the system was, but I am still hoping for a public option to reduce costs, and finally a single payer system to reduce the profits that patients who suffer from debilitating disease have to pay.


So expand on single payer. How, in your mind does that work? How will it reduce costs for the average working stiff when the government pays for everything? Where does the money come from? How does it work that nobody pays anything? Curious minds would like to know.

Please explain.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:39:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Everyone does have the right to have health insurance. Of course it is more accessible for some than others for monetary reasons. What you propose is the government has the right to tell me and others I must pay for my own health insurance and help subsidize someone else. Shouldn't I demand the people getting the freebies not smoke, drink, or eat fatty foods? What gives you the right to demand I subsidize anyone else's health care or lifestyle? As far as evolved society goes look at the Middle East. We are about three weeks of food shortage from being savages. Bo , Think! The old system sucked but this is not better. We still have millions uninsured and basically nothing but a new tax and more intrusive government. Single payer sounds grand I guess to liberals but down here in Florida I talk to a lot of British and Canadian citizens. Without a doubt they say single payer works great for primary care. Reducing profits to insurance companies and doctors might make a good sound bit e but you know and I know quality of service and care is reduced. but if you are 70 years old or above forget tertiary or serious illness care.
BoJester wrote:
Everyone should have the right to have health insurance.

It is a benefit of an evolved society

I support this law because it is better than what the system was, but I am still hoping for a public option to reduce costs, and finally a single payer system to reduce the profits that patients who suffer from debilitating disease have to pay.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:39:22   #
BoJester
 
How does Social Security work?




CDM wrote:
So expand on single payer. How, in your mind does that work? How will it reduce costs for the average working stiff when the government pays for everything? Where does the money come from? How does it work that nobody pays anything? Curious minds would like to know.

Please explain.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:47:50   #
bobgssc
 
BoJester wrote:
Everyone should have the right to have health insurance.

It is a benefit of an evolved society

I support this law because it is better than what the system was, but I am still hoping for a public option to reduce costs, and finally a single payer system to reduce the profits that patients who suffer from debilitating disease have to pay.


If you reduce the profits you'll be providing the healthcare, doctors are already starting to opt out.

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Apr 1, 2014 21:52:19   #
BoJester
 
Good points, but on the flip side, why should I have to subsidize those who don't chose to purchase health insurance from a private company?

Why should those who use emergency rooms and doctors for primary care not have insurance coverage? Why should the unisured get the benefit without ever having to pay?

Since EVERYBODY will require healthcare at some point in their lives, everybody should have "skin in the game". Which is what conservatives always say about paying taxes.

Even young people who are healthy, have accidents, or get pregnant, or suffer from serious disease.

For those seniors who whine about paying for maternity or pediatric coverage, young people must support the screenings for osetoporosis and prostate trouble, including the various cancers that more often occur in the elderly.

It the well established insurance concept of spreading the risk.

And no company will ever have the ability to spread the risk like a national health plan




JFlorio wrote:
Everyone does have the right to have health insurance. Of course it is more accessible for some than others for monetary reasons. What you propose is the government has the right to tell me and others I must pay for my own health insurance and help subsidize someone else. Shouldn't I demand the people getting the freebies not smoke, drink, or eat fatty foods? What gives you the right to demand I subsidize anyone else's health care or lifestyle? As far as evolved society goes look at the Middle East. We are about three weeks of food shortage from being savages. Bo , Think! The old system sucked but this is not better. We still have millions uninsured and basically nothing but a new tax and more intrusive government. Single payer sounds grand I guess to liberals but down here in Florida I talk to a lot of British and Canadian citizens. Without a doubt they say single payer works great for primary care. Reducing profits to insurance companies and doctors might make a good sound bit e but you know and I know quality of service and care is reduced. but if you are 70 years old or above forget tertiary or serious illness care.
Everyone does have the right to have health insura... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2014 22:07:04   #
emarine
 
bobgssc wrote:
If you reduce the profits you'll be providing the healthcare, doctors are already starting to opt out.


Health care profits are the problem... same with insurance, If these two industry's spent half as much money fighting the ACA health care would be almost free, the amount of pure greed is obscene, this industry profits in the 100s of billions every year and your wellness means nothing unless you pay up, There is plenty of room for a good profit without k*****g people.

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