rumitoid

You are a smart guy with great things to contribute. Thank you again. Was hoping this thread may actually garner some real and lively debate instead of the usual hate and insult. You gave much to think about.

The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island

Thank you for the kind words. We may not see eye to eye on some things but, I assure you the sentiment is reciprocated.

The potential is still there, sometimes (as I’m sure you’re aware) it just takes a couple of pages.

rumitoid

Yes, so true. If we stick around.

dilibar

You leftists are all insane! You are banning EVERYTHING this country stands for! Y'all need to be sent to Quantico with all your anti-Semitic and killer Muslims! The good side...just means closer to Jesus' return...YEAH!

rumitoid

Is that patriotism talking?

JoyV

Exactly!!!

JoyV

Thanks for correcting Rumitoid on the quote. I knew it didn't sound like something Samuel Johnson would say.

JoyV

Since when is blind loyalty to a person, Nationalism. Nationalism is love for your nation above any other nation. Not that you think you or your nations citizens are inherently superior, but simply that you want your nation to succeed more than any other. And by succeed it could mean be have more liberty, have better justice, have a stronger economy, have better education, or have a healthier population. Patriotism and Nationalism are intrinsically linked. You CANNOT be a nationalist without being a patriot.

JoyV

Ideals, principals and values need not be based on one's nation. In fact most ideals and principals are not exclusive to any particular nation. But what do ideals and principals, no matter how laudable, have to do with patriotism -- not to mention, those can change.

As for patriotism being bad because others from other nations who may be enemies or act in despicable ways might be patriotic to their own countries; so what? That would be like saying since Hitler was a vegetarian, all vegetarianism is evil. When Americans say they are patriotic, it goes without saying that they mean they are patriotic to America, not Iran!

If you want to ban American patriotism you either want a one world order, eliminating Americans as an identifiable group; or you want to surrender American to another country making Americans subservient to others, enslaving Americans. And if you want a one world order, you can bet there will be those who consider themselves to be the elite who will be the masters of everyone else.

Being loyal to any one president is not what it means to be an American patriot, no matter how good a job that president is doing. An American Patriot is loyal first to the Constitution of the United States. BECAUSE they are loyal to our constitution, they are loyal to our elected President no matter who holds that office (so long as that president keeps his oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States!)

Ricktloml

[quote=JoyV]Ideals, principals and values need not be based on one's nation. In fact most ideals and principals are not exclusive to any particular nation. But what do ideals and principals, no matter how laudable, have to do with patriotism -- not to mention, those can change.

As for patriotism being bad because others from other nations who may be enemies or act in despicable ways might be patriotic to their own countries; so what? That would be like saying since Hitler was a vegetarian, all vegetarianism is evil. When Americans say they are patriotic, it goes without saying that they mean they are patriotic to America, not Iran!

If you want to ban American patriotism you either want a one world order, eliminating Americans as an identifiable group; or you want to surrender American to another country making Americans subservient to others, enslaving Americans. And if you want a one world order, you can bet there will be those who consider themselves to be the elite who will be the masters of everyone else.

Being loyal to any one president is not what it means to be an American patriot, no matter how good a job that president is doing. An American Patriot is loyal first to the Constitution of the United States. BECAUSE they are loyal to our constitution, they are loyal to our elected President no matter who holds that office (so long as that president keeps his oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States!)[/quote

Well said JoyV. Much has been made of the divisiveness surrounding today's politics, and how a house divided cannot stand, and the affixing of blame. But it is and has been the left and their collaborative media that has been dividing this nation for decades. Quite frankly conservatism and at least still a few in the Republican Party are a bigger threat to the left's "fundamental transformation" of this country. The left has no intention of working together with the "loyal opposition". Because as they have stated, and their policies reflect there is very little common ground to be had with groups who hate the country enough to change it "fundamentally". The left has more allegiance to our enemies and since they lost the last elections are willing to do ANYTHING, no matter the harm to the country to punish the citizens who attempted to curb their power. President Trump's policies have resulted in extremely low unemployment rates, a booming economy, and an attempt to institute border security, which the leftist Democrat/socialist Party, (and the sell-out RINOs have blocked repeatedly,) all while being framed by the previous administration in the worst corruption and abuse of power scandal in American history. And those on the left have the nerve to question President Trump, OR his supporters' patriotism.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes Sir you certainly are!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸💫

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Amen!!!

Morgan

Yes, I too think its comprehension but in defense, we are manipulated with a constant feed of slanted information and opinion pieces rather just stating the simple facts on the occurrences of events. People are overly busy and exhausted to take the time to file through the misinformation. Not to mention their disgusted attitude which is justified, so what do they do, they go to their go-to spot and eat it up, falling right into the hole of being manipulated thereby allowing the cycle to continue.

I believe the responsibility should fall on the journalists to go back to the days of being more factual and not slanting the truths. Maybe slander should be more accountable.

Morgan

Nationalism is fine as long as it stays within reason and not to the extreme as we've seen it done before with Hitler and Germany. It is important to be sure that self interest in promoting the country doesn't over ride any of its citizens, or have their construed obligations outweigh other individuals or group interests.

Morgan

sigh