Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Hi Tommy...

The thread took me to the second page and I missed this...

I'm just going to say that I am relieved that the time was changed.... Tolerance is all good and well, but I know I would have been uncomfortable and I am doubtful that I could have hidden it...

If Jesus wasn't going to sit with sinners then he should have become a hermit.... Nothing wrong with admonishing someone to do better

eden

Thank you, that was clumsy grammar on my part. See below the omitted conjunction in caps that should clarify.

“....I see the usual intellectual contortions to explain away AND that being born gay is a false precept and that one may simply “choose” not to participate in such “sin” ...

Rose42

We don’t disown the Old Testament. Not at all. We understand it and its relationship to the New Testament. The OT was a different part of history where Israel was ruled by kings and judges. It has many rederences to Christ’s coming and sacrificial atonement. This new covenant released us from the law

Romans 7:6 - “Now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”

TrueAmerican

He should have stormed out of there and went staight to the nearest moslem florist and had his flowers done for his gay wedding !!!!!!

Wonttakeitanymore

To design arrangements for a gay wedding when u are opposed to it is against your religion! Remember, she nor other Christians believe in gay so-called weddings! When my grandfather died his funeral was in a Mormon church! My mother ordered a flowered cross from a florist! The florist changed the order without my mother’s knowlege and sent a basket of flowers! My grandmother called my mom to thank her for the flowers and my mother was furious! The florist said that they don’t allow crosses in Mormon church! My mother got her money back!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

The supreme Court of the United States has already ruled regarding the Baker if you will recall. When this gets there he will have the same ruling.

No, it is not just a coincidence.

teabag09

Court documents also show the Southern Baptist grandmother gladly served gay and lesbian customers in the past for non-wedding related flower orders.

eden

Yes I understand that part but you do not reference the OT description of Gods psychopathic behavior; genocide, summary executions, unimaginable cruelties and punishments inflicted for what would be viewed today as simple human failings.
Was the OT a fake news chronicle of those times for purposes of control and subjugation of the masses by the Leaders of
the day or is it just a fable of myths interwoven with, and contributed to by many tribal faiths over a long period of time, but with the same basic agenda? Either way it presents a dark side of the human psyche and
brings into question for many of us the fallibility of a faith not prepared to disown it.

Rose42

You don't understand it as evidenced by your comments though. Its man's nature to rebel against God. You won't find the answers to these questions in a forum but there are many resources out there where you can if you were interested.

Ricktloml

When the discussion of homosexual marriage came up homosexuals expressed outrage that anyone would suggest that they would target Christian businesses. As soon as the Supreme Court forced the issue, homosexuals began seeking out Christian businesses. Homosexuals have no interest in "live-and-let-live".

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

You are speaking in generalities and therefore you are getting answers in generalities.

What exact "God's psycopathic" behavior are you referring to? Give a specific example that you feel is beneath God. Just because you don't know what God's reasons may be, and I may not either, doesn't, by that fact, make them "psycopathic".

For example, the response to genocide: because it is God's right to cut off a people who have so corrupted themselves that even He can't see a possible redemption. Did you know that the Bible says:

“Precious in the sight of Yahweh is the death of his saints.” Psalm 116:15

Do you know why that is? It’s because, for a saint of God, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. I don't seek death, but as a blood-bought, born-again, child of God, I look forward to it, all in God's good time, nor do I mourn the death of loved ones in the faith. Why? Because death is the ultimate release from this world of sin, pain and suffering...and trials! But don’t think for a moment that means God doesn’t hold all life precious, because He does, and that is why He has declared murder to be one of the top sins. Many, if not all, of the nations who God had Israel wipe out sacrificed/murdered their children on altars (like how abortionists sacrifice their babies on the altar of sexual pleasure these days). God considered this cultural norm of theirs very evil, and worthy of death: cutting off the whole family or tribe so as not to pollute others. Seems to me, and I haven't catalogued it, that whenever God told Israel He was going to use them as His agent in executing judgement, He typically told them why they were being cut off from the living. If you say you want evil to end, but you don't have the ability to reform any and all evil-doers, through free-will, then who are you to judge God who does know, even the hearts and intentions of people and thus who needs to be cut off, and why, and when it will do the most good, for the greater majority, for the purpose of teaching us and the rest of eternity that choices have consequences.

Furthermore, it is written: “Jesus summoned them, saying, "Allow the little children to come to me, and don't hinder them, for the Kingdom of God belongs to such as these.” Luke 18:16. Did you know that God doesn’t condemn anyone to eternal death who has not committed sin? And children who don’t know or understand are not accountable, and thus do not have the judgment of death hanging over them? That means that cutting off a family line, would be a merciful act from the ultimate perspective of a child who would have followed in the sins of the family...

“3As I live, says the Lord Yahweh... 4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die... 20The soul who sins, he shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.” Ezekiel 18:3-4,20

“Bearing” the iniquity of the fathers is not the same as “visiting” the iniquity of the fathers on the children. It is an observable fact that children emulate their parents, and when they grow to adulthood, they either choose to be like their parents in attitude, or, in some cases, consciously choose not to be like their parents.

So, you first need to prove that you know, better than God, what the ultimate state of the peoples He had destroyed would be, that it could be proven they could have been reformed by less drastic means, before you can stand in judgement of His actions. And, failing that, you also have to stand in judgement of the people He condemned, to prove they did nothing worthy of death. And finally, you need to consider that when God created mankind, He gave Adam a commandment not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil lest he would die. And of course he did eat and brought death upon mankind. So, in order to condemn God, you will first have to prove that God is unjust for imposing commandments on people regarding what constitutes moral behavior and what doesn’t. But it doesn't end there, because then you will also have to know, ultimately, who only died in the flesh in this world (which the bible likens to sleep) but will live again in the resurrection; because the story isn't over yet.

JW

In the past, they were forbidden to immigrate here. It is only recently that Liberals have embarked on their current suicidal path allowing them to settle here.

woodguru

What is this "practice" of a religion? Being able to refuse people's rights or interject your religious beliefs on another stops right there. If you own a company you have no say in anything to do with your employees religion or beliefs. If you were to get so upset at an employee who gets an abortion you would have no right to give them any crap or fire them because they did something that went against your beliefs.

Your religious beliefs are yours, nobody else even needs to know what they are let alone saying they have anything to do with affecting someone else. The word participate was used, they were being forced to participate, selling flowers is not participating. Participate would be perhaps showing up at the church or venue and having to do flower arrangements, which they could refuse.

woodguru

People flee countries often to get away from oppressive religious beliefs. Not always but often.

woodguru

The florist should have called her and pointed it out, there was a good chance that if a cross had been delivered it would not have been brought into the church, so it would have been a waste of money that was on the buyer, not the flower shop or church.