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Jun 7, 2019 14:35:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Oh good grief. Nobody will do a damn thing about mass killings with guns. It is a battle between who ever screams the loudest and who has the most money and a 500 lb Gorilla* on their side. We can care all we want and it still won't mean a thing. The mental cases with violence on their records will still go to Wal-Mart and pass a background check in 5 minutes Walk out with a rifle and kill half of their neighbors the next day. We just have to accept this as part of living in the USA and take our chances when we leave our homes. We might as well buy Burial plans for our kids since nobody knows when or where the next school shooting will be. Might as well be prepared to minimize the financial impact of sudden death of loved ones. ----*give you one guess who the gorilla is.
Oh good grief. Nobody will do a damn thing about m... (show quote)
WalMart doesn't sell guns anymore. And purchasing a firearm including the NICS background check is not a 5 minute process.

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Jun 7, 2019 15:11:48   #
John King
 
permafrost wrote:
I agree with you. I is crucial that we get the president out our white house and we prevent the SC from becoming one more oppressive unit used by the anti-american orange forces..

The goals and direction set down by the founding fathers should not be replace by a small group of our country who have only themselves as benefiting from the economic gains of misplaced policy by the same very rich minority..


"...I agree with you. It is crucial that we get the president out our white house and we prevent the SC from becoming one more oppressive unit used by the anti-American orange forces..."

Wow . . . either I didn't get my point across or you just didn't understand what I said! IT IS NOT CRUCIAL to get Trump out of the White House!!!

What is crucial is that Ruth Bader Ginsberg get back to work in person or that she steps down from the Supreme Court . . . we need justices that are capable of doing their jobs in person and not through their subordinates. And it is just that action that makes the democrats shake in their boots . . . the fear that the Supreme Court becomes 6 to 3 or 5 to 4 leaning towards conservative thinking majority! But that is exactly what this country needs to get back on the correct course and rule of law instead of making laws in the SCOTUS!!! Laws are not made in the SCOTUS, they are made in Congress and either enforced or determined unconstitutional by the SCOTUS!!!


"...The goals and direction set down by the founding fathers should not be replace by a small group of our country who have only themselves as benefiting from the economic gains of misplaced policy by the same very rich minority..."

Agreed! That is exactly the position of the democrat platform . . . they bend over backwards for the minority groups and disregard the majority of Americas desires!!! A left leaning SCOTUS is what has been in America for years and the condition of our country can be traced back to 1963 when roe-v-wade was passed and prayer was taken out of schools!!! Once America was the envy of the world . . . and that is what Trump is all about . . . making America great again!!!

Look at the emergency on the southern border . . . AND IT IS AN EMERGENCY . . . diseases unknown are reaching America from these people coming into America illegally! They don't go before a doctor to test them within the border entry system . . . and they are bringing unknown sicknesses to all of us!!!

WAKE THE PUCK UP . . . BEFORE IT'S TO LATE . . . IT MAY ALREADY BE ! ! !

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Jun 7, 2019 15:32:47   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
WalMart doesn't sell guns anymore. And purchasing a firearm including the NICS background check is not a 5 minute process.


Wal-Mart in Coos Bay is still selling guns right now and the last few times I have bought a gun the background check came back in under 5 minutes. This is the truth and I'll swear it on every Bible ever written in every language it was written in.

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Jun 7, 2019 15:59:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
John King wrote:
"...I agree with you. It is crucial that we get the president out our white house and we prevent the SC from becoming one more oppressive unit used by the anti-American orange forces..."

Wow . . . either I didn't get my point across or you just didn't understand what I said! IT IS NOT CRUCIAL to get Trump out of the White House!!!

What is crucial is that Ruth Bader Ginsberg get back to work in person or that she steps down from the Supreme Court . . . we need justices that are capable of doing their jobs in person and not through their subordinates. And it is just that action that makes the democrats shake in their boots . . . the fear that the Supreme Court becomes 6 to 3 or 5 to 4 leaning towards conservative thinking majority! But that is exactly what this country needs to get back on the correct course and rule of law instead of making laws in the SCOTUS!!! Laws are not made in the SCOTUS, they are made in Congress and either enforced or determined unconstitutional by the SCOTUS!!!


"...The goals and direction set down by the founding fathers should not be replace by a small group of our country who have only themselves as benefiting from the economic gains of misplaced policy by the same very rich minority..."

Agreed! That is exactly the position of the democrat platform . . . they bend over backwards for the minority groups and disregard the majority of Americas desires!!! A left leaning SCOTUS is what has been in America for years and the condition of our country can be traced back to 1963 when roe-v-wade was passed and prayer was taken out of schools!!! Once America was the envy of the world . . . and that is what Trump is all about . . . making America great again!!!

Look at the emergency on the southern border . . . AND IT IS AN EMERGENCY . . . diseases unknown are reaching America from these people coming into America illegally! They don't go before a doctor to test them within the border entry system . . . and they are bringing unknown sicknesses to all of us!!!

WAKE THE PUCK UP . . . BEFORE IT'S TO LATE . . . IT MAY ALREADY BE ! ! !
"...I agree with you. It is crucial that we g... (show quote)




Yes, we are in dire circumstances....

maybe we can leave the orange one alone to wallow in his uselessness..

In his place, if we impeach McConnell and Kavanaugh, we could produce something for the majority of Americans..

the condition of the SC is perilous, citizens united has nearly ended the democracy promised and hoped for by our founders..

The makes Ruth an even greater hero for the soul of our nation..

With a united support of Ruth and American principles, we may be able to recover from this never ending siege upon our right as Americans..

A life long Patriot such as Ruth should be held up and hailed as the fine American she is..

For far to long we have contended with a conservative SC and the antics of McConnell refusing to do his job as demanded by our constitution..

We must stand together and demand our rights, even onto the very golf course of the orange farce..



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Jun 7, 2019 16:07:23   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, we are in dire circumstances....

maybe we can leave the orange one alone to wallow in his uselessness..

In his place, if we impeach McConnell and Kavanaugh, we could produce something for the majority of Americans..

the condition of the SC is perilous, citizens united has nearly ended the democracy promised and hoped for by our founders..

The makes Ruth an even greater hero for the soul of our nation..

With a united support of Ruth and American principles, we may be able to recover from this never ending siege upon our right as Americans..

A life long Patriot such as Ruth should be held up and hailed as the fine American she is..

For far to long we have contended with a conservative SC and the antics of McConnell refusing to do his job as demanded by our constitution..

We must stand together and demand our rights, even onto the very golf course of the orange farce..
Yes, we are in dire circumstances.... br br maybe... (show quote)


The people who the President dispatched, were they leftists?...because he has had a beef with them.

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Jun 7, 2019 16:10:34   #
JoyV
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
A blunderbuss was considered a cannon.


Yes they can be considered a small hand held cannon. But that was not what Madison wrote about when he was president. So at least up until his presidency, private citizens owning cannons were perfectly acceptable.

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Jun 7, 2019 16:20:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
byronglimish wrote:
The people who the President dispatched, were they leftists?...because he has had a beef with them.




He wont care, if they do not praise him to his delight.. they are of no use in running a nation such as the United States of America..

You know that.. the orange mouth has said it a number of times..



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Jun 7, 2019 16:32:01   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
He wont care, if they do not praise him to his delight.. they are of no use in running a nation such as the United States of America..

You know that.. the orange mouth has said it a number of times..


President Trump created 4.7 million jobs in his first two years. That's a 3.1 percent increase over the 152.2 million people working at the end of Obama's term.

Constitutional scholar:
Obama Misquotes The Constitution in Embarrassing Brazil Speech
https://newspunch.com/obama-misquotes-the-constitution-in-embarrassing-brazil-speech/

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Jun 7, 2019 16:46:16   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
I am very much a vet..

And yes for sure,, the civilian look alikes are made to the military style for sales value..

they are in every sports store/catalog you can find these days..

While of course, we can find many differences in the military rifles from the "sports" version, the Military look is by design..

No accident. they are looking military, as rapid fire and effective on people rather then the sleek look of accuracy bestowed on hunting rifles for generation..
I am very much a vet.. br br And yes for sure,, ... (show quote)



So how powerful, fast, or accurate a gun is is less important in deciding whether it should be restricted or not than how it looks? Not to mention semiautomatics including ARs are popular hunting rifles.

1) Ruger semiauto-for deer hunting.
2) BAR semiauto-for deer hunting.
3) Remington semiauto-for wild pig and hunting in heavy growth.
4) Remington semiauto-big game.









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Jun 7, 2019 16:51:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
America 1 wrote:
President Trump created 4.7 million jobs in his first two years. That's a 3.1 percent increase over the 152.2 million people working at the end of Obama's term.

Constitutional scholar:
Obama Misquotes The Constitution in Embarrassing Brazil Speech
https://newspunch.com/obama-misquotes-the-constitution-in-embarrassing-brazil-speech/



Oh how you people pain my gizzard when you insist on the dumb stuff trump spouts like a bust toilet..


A bit of truth and fact.. I was only going to give you part, but I love to see suppressed truth printed on OPP when ever I get the chance.. and it seems all this is unknown to most of the lovers of orange..
Old news to real people..

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2019/05/on-the-economy-obama-owns-trump/

On the economy, Obama owns Trump

By Eric Black | 05/13/2019

For 2018, the first full year under Trump’s policies, Statista says GDP per capita grew 2.9 percent, equal to Obama’s best year, 2015. Although it’s a per capita number, it says nothing about the distribution of the gains, and one has one’s suspicions on that score. But, for today, we’ll leave it at this: The first year under Trump showed good overall growth. (If you look at the whole Statista table, you’ll see that the golden age of recent GDP growth was under Bill Clinton.)
Among the various aspects of Trump’s moral midgetry is intellectual dishonesty. Also immodesty. But intellectual dishonesty is a quality I particularly disdain. Sure, make your argument, but don’t deny the contrary evidence. To me, that borders on lying.

For example, I would acknowledge that Obama inherited an economy and a stock market and a labor market that had crashed under his predecessor, while Trump inherited one that had thrived under his predecessor, the much-belittled-by-Trump Obama.

That might undermine the power of Obama absolutely besting, crushing, owning Trump as measured by two out of three important benchmark economic numbers during Obama’s presidency compared to Trump’s presidency so far.

I’ll consider the offsetting factor above if and when Trump acknowledges that he inherited a nation that was thriving, at relative peace (and the leader of several of the world’s most admirable and necessary multilateral agreements), and not one that was a hell-scape of carnage, dysfunction incompetence and decline he portrayed during his campaign and inaugural address.

But being intellectually honest in fairness to Donald Trump seems like unilateral disarmament. Let him try it for a while, then we’ll see. But don’t hold your breath.

>>>>>>


But back to things that can be measured. As statistics go, a rising stock market primarily benefits a relatively small, wealthy investor class (although certainly some benefits trickle down to the economy in general). So let’s do another one more that more directly affects average Americans, especially those who really need to work for a living, namely the unemployment rate.

The administration, among others, has spent recent days celebrating the decline of the unemployment to 3.6 percent, its lowest level since 1969. Congratulations to all those who wanted work and found it thanks to the drop in that rate, and one-hand-clapping to Donald Trump who, of course, claims this as a great personal accomplishment, which further demonstrates his success especially compared to his despised predecessor.

Given all that, let’s take a look at comparison unemployment data across the Obama and Trump years in this chart, which assigns an overall unemployment rate to each calendar year. Obama inherited a plummeting economy and the worst recession in decades from his predecessor, George W. Bush.

In 2009, the first year of Obama’s presidency, unemployment hit 9.9 percent, its highest level since the Great Depression. But starting in 2010, the unemployment rate fell for eight straight years, namely the eight years when the economy was essentially under Obama policy. By 2016, Obama’s last year in office, unemployment measured 4.7 percent (down from 9.9 percent.) In 2017, the first year of Trump’s term (but before many of his policies were implemented) it fell to 4.1 percent.

In 2018, with the Trump tax cuts and other magical elements of Trumpism on the books, it fell again to 3.9 percent. So, depending on how you count those swing years, unemployment fell by a 5.8 percentage points under Obama policy over eight years and 0.2 percentage points under Trump’s policies through the end of 2018.

Just a quick look at GDP growth, for which I’ll rely on this table from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, and this graph from Statista. Between 2009 and 2017, the eight years during which Obama’s policies should be blamed or credited, GDP per capita went up every year, with a total gain of $5,903. I would call that decent, maybe not great. Solid, steady but not astonishing growth of a little above or a little below two percent year with a best year of 2.9 percent in 2015 and an average of about 2.5 percent a year. (It’s “real” GDP so inflation is taken out.)

>>>>>>

Under which president did the stock market rise more during the first 27 months of his presidency? Donald J. Trump or Barack H. Obama? Under which did the unemployment rate decline more? How about GDP growth per president?

If it wasn’t for obnoxious braggadocio of the current incumbent — his incessant pitiful compulsion to exaggerate his own accomplishments and disparage those of all others (but most especially those of his immediate predecessor) — I would say the idea that economic indices reflect the wisdom and skill of the incumbent president is dumb. But if those are measures the self-glorifying Trump wants to use, let’s go there and review some actual, you know, facts.

On January 20, 2017, the day Trump took office, the Dow Jones industrial average was at 19,827. It’s had a good run during his first two plus years, and it closed Friday at 25,942. That’s an impressive gain of 30.8 percent, but let’s not be stingy. Let’s call it 31 percent. (Note: as of publication of this story Monday morning, the Dow was down more than 600 points, or 2.4 percent.)

Some find Trump’s policies despicable, racist, even (or perhaps especially) planet-threatening. But some argue that the good economy during Trump’s first two-plus years is a powerful offset against those factors. The movement of the Dow is not the best measure of economic performance, nor certainly of the overall cost/benefit analysis of his presidency. GDP growth would be better and, in terms of impact on ordinary Americans, unemployment would be better. And those have done well under Trump, too. But the Dow is very specific and often celebrated by Trump praisers.

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Jun 7, 2019 16:56:40   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
permafrost wrote:
Oh how you people pain my gizzard when you insist on the dumb stuff trump spouts like a bust toilet..


A bit of truth and fact.. I was only going to give you part, but I love to see suppressed truth printed on OPP when ever I get the chance.. and it seems all this is unknown to most of the lovers of orange..
Old news to real people..

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2019/05/on-the-economy-obama-owns-trump/

On the economy, Obama owns Trump

By Eric Black | 05/13/2019

For 2018, the first full year under Trump’s policies, Statista says GDP per capita grew 2.9 percent, equal to Obama’s best year, 2015. Although it’s a per capita number, it says nothing about the distribution of the gains, and one has one’s suspicions on that score. But, for today, we’ll leave it at this: The first year under Trump showed good overall growth. (If you look at the whole Statista table, you’ll see that the golden age of recent GDP growth was under Bill Clinton.)
Among the various aspects of Trump’s moral midgetry is intellectual dishonesty. Also immodesty. But intellectual dishonesty is a quality I particularly disdain. Sure, make your argument, but don’t deny the contrary evidence. To me, that borders on lying.

For example, I would acknowledge that Obama inherited an economy and a stock market and a labor market that had crashed under his predecessor, while Trump inherited one that had thrived under his predecessor, the much-belittled-by-Trump Obama.

That might undermine the power of Obama absolutely besting, crushing, owning Trump as measured by two out of three important benchmark economic numbers during Obama’s presidency compared to Trump’s presidency so far.

I’ll consider the offsetting factor above if and when Trump acknowledges that he inherited a nation that was thriving, at relative peace (and the leader of several of the world’s most admirable and necessary multilateral agreements), and not one that was a hell-scape of carnage, dysfunction incompetence and decline he portrayed during his campaign and inaugural address.

But being intellectually honest in fairness to Donald Trump seems like unilateral disarmament. Let him try it for a while, then we’ll see. But don’t hold your breath.

>>>>>>


But back to things that can be measured. As statistics go, a rising stock market primarily benefits a relatively small, wealthy investor class (although certainly some benefits trickle down to the economy in general). So let’s do another one more that more directly affects average Americans, especially those who really need to work for a living, namely the unemployment rate.

The administration, among others, has spent recent days celebrating the decline of the unemployment to 3.6 percent, its lowest level since 1969. Congratulations to all those who wanted work and found it thanks to the drop in that rate, and one-hand-clapping to Donald Trump who, of course, claims this as a great personal accomplishment, which further demonstrates his success especially compared to his despised predecessor.

Given all that, let’s take a look at comparison unemployment data across the Obama and Trump years in this chart, which assigns an overall unemployment rate to each calendar year. Obama inherited a plummeting economy and the worst recession in decades from his predecessor, George W. Bush.

In 2009, the first year of Obama’s presidency, unemployment hit 9.9 percent, its highest level since the Great Depression. But starting in 2010, the unemployment rate fell for eight straight years, namely the eight years when the economy was essentially under Obama policy. By 2016, Obama’s last year in office, unemployment measured 4.7 percent (down from 9.9 percent.) In 2017, the first year of Trump’s term (but before many of his policies were implemented) it fell to 4.1 percent.

In 2018, with the Trump tax cuts and other magical elements of Trumpism on the books, it fell again to 3.9 percent. So, depending on how you count those swing years, unemployment fell by a 5.8 percentage points under Obama policy over eight years and 0.2 percentage points under Trump’s policies through the end of 2018.

Just a quick look at GDP growth, for which I’ll rely on this table from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, and this graph from Statista. Between 2009 and 2017, the eight years during which Obama’s policies should be blamed or credited, GDP per capita went up every year, with a total gain of $5,903. I would call that decent, maybe not great. Solid, steady but not astonishing growth of a little above or a little below two percent year with a best year of 2.9 percent in 2015 and an average of about 2.5 percent a year. (It’s “real” GDP so inflation is taken out.)

>>>>>>

Under which president did the stock market rise more during the first 27 months of his presidency? Donald J. Trump or Barack H. Obama? Under which did the unemployment rate decline more? How about GDP growth per president?

If it wasn’t for obnoxious braggadocio of the current incumbent — his incessant pitiful compulsion to exaggerate his own accomplishments and disparage those of all others (but most especially those of his immediate predecessor) — I would say the idea that economic indices reflect the wisdom and skill of the incumbent president is dumb. But if those are measures the self-glorifying Trump wants to use, let’s go there and review some actual, you know, facts.

On January 20, 2017, the day Trump took office, the Dow Jones industrial average was at 19,827. It’s had a good run during his first two plus years, and it closed Friday at 25,942. That’s an impressive gain of 30.8 percent, but let’s not be stingy. Let’s call it 31 percent. (Note: as of publication of this story Monday morning, the Dow was down more than 600 points, or 2.4 percent.)

Some find Trump’s policies despicable, racist, even (or perhaps especially) planet-threatening. But some argue that the good economy during Trump’s first two-plus years is a powerful offset against those factors. The movement of the Dow is not the best measure of economic performance, nor certainly of the overall cost/benefit analysis of his presidency. GDP growth would be better and, in terms of impact on ordinary Americans, unemployment would be better. And those have done well under Trump, too. But the Dow is very specific and often celebrated by Trump praisers.

>>>>>
Oh how you people pain my gizzard when you insist ... (show quote)


U.S. Stocks Surge on Ramped-up Rate Cut Speculation and Reduced Trade Tensions
by cmdtyNewswires - Fri Jun 7,
June dow 26914 @ 4:55 PM 6/7/2019 up 269

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Jun 7, 2019 17:02:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
So how powerful, fast, or accurate a gun is is less important in deciding whether it should be restricted or not than how it looks? Not to mention semiautomatics including ARs are popular hunting rifles.

1) Ruger semiauto-for deer hunting.
2) BAR semiauto-for deer hunting.
3) Remington semiauto-for wild pig and hunting in heavy growth.
4) Remington semiauto-big game.




You truly seem to be searching today JOY.. this is not about hunting as we are discussing now... It is about marketing.. Only the look is cared for by both buyer and mfg..

All of the guns you post can also be replace by one shotgun shooting slugs..

and so what???

Yes,I do know people who hunt with these type guns.. It is an opinion on how well the do the job..

It is also usual to find these guns waved around conspicuously in the coffee shops.. "see what a bad rifle I carry" is the suggestion from body language..

The look seems more important then the hunting for many of these people..

But again these nut jobs are not the subject of this post..

It is the attraction of these guns to the nut case shooting people, which is what the original military guns were designed for..

This is for all of those who love to dream for violence and death like in the movies.
This is for all  of those who love to dream for vi...

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Jun 7, 2019 17:07:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
America 1 wrote:
U.S. Stocks Surge on Ramped-up Rate Cut Speculation and Reduced Trade Tensions
by cmdtyNewswires - Fri Jun 7,
June dow 26914 @ 4:55 PM 6/7/2019 up 269


Keep watching the stock market.. all that cash gift to the rich... 90% went to buy back stocks and make the rich, richer..

So I am sure you are wealty with all the good stocks you own..

Good for you....




Stocks bounced back this week after a miserable month and a half. Here's why
By Anneken Tappe, CNN Business

Updated 5:04 PM ET, Fri June 7, 2019



Stocks up 265 points at the moment.. Follow the link and find out what is driving this today...

Hint....as was talked about for days....uncertainty is the wall street panic pill..


New York (CNN Business)Stocks performed a 180-degree turn this week. The market rally led the Dow to snap a six-week losing streak.

Even a weaker-than-anticipated jobs report couldn't derail the sentiment.
The Dow (INDU)finished up 1%, or 263 points. It was the index's first five consecutive days of gains since January, according to Refinitiv. Together with the S&P 500 (SPX) and the Nasdaq (COMP), all three indexes recorded their best week of the year.

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Jun 7, 2019 17:20:00   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
You are doing that selective reading again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

the 2nd does not allow any sort of arms a person wishes.. machine guns need special permit, Tanks; try and buy one..

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the shotgun "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . ." The Court then explained that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the effectiveness of the military.

Nearly all laws are subject to interpretation;and the 2nd nearly leads the pack..
You are doing that selective reading again. br b... (show quote)


Even Justices can be wrong. Our founders clearly defined the militia as being the whole body of citizens. NOT the military!

> “As the greatest danger to liberty is from large standing armies, it is best to prevent them by an effectual provision for a good militia.” -- James Madison {Note that this clearly indicates that the militia and the military were two completely different entities.}
>“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason
>“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves … and include all men capable of bearing arms.” – Richard Henry Lee
>"I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." -- George Mason
>"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country...." -- James Madison
> “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tenche Coxe
>“The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” -- Patrick Henry
> “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic…” -- Joseph Story (Supreme Court Justice)
> “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” -- George Washington

There are many many more!

By the way, regulated, in the 18th century, meant well equipped.

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Jun 7, 2019 17:21:48   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Joy, you know that is not a fact...


ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it. In 1959 the company sold the design to Colt. In 1963, the U.S. military selected Colt to manufacture the automatic rifle that soon became standard issue for U.S. troops in the Vietnam War.


did you find any post I made that called for confiscating anyones semi auto guns??

No, you did not.. I was very clear that it would never be done..

I did say that it would have been better to keep the limit included in the 1994 laws which we went over a few posts ago..

the millitary style guns sold have the look for sales purpose... said it before and stand by it..
Joy, you know that is not a fact... br br br Arm... (show quote)


I never said you wanted to confiscate guns. The word I used was restrict.

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