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Jun 7, 2019 08:43:12   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Did you know that Lewis and Clark lost only one a man during their expedition and that was due to a burst appendix. The Indians were very impressed with that Girandoni rifle, it shot 20 rounds without reload, it didn't blow smoke and it's bullets could penetrate a 1 inch pine board at 100 yards.


While I have read about this rifle, nothing in detail.

It is a very fascinating creation, especial considering the time it was invented.. I did know L & C used it..

Most surprising was that it was in our Military for decades before removing it..

Love to see one of these.

Loses by L & C... do not think I ever heard, or at least did not remember.. burst appendix would not be a nice way to go..



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Jun 7, 2019 08:51:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Do you include privately owned canons as single shot guns? A letter from Madison (can't remember which other founder it was to) which praised militia members who had their own canons.



privately owned canons??

No, I did not consider them at all.

Were they a factor in 18th century war?

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Jun 7, 2019 08:59:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
I must have missed the news stories of mass shootings with AK47s or M16s. I thought you were a veteran. As such, surely you don't buy into the left narrative that semiautomatics are military style arms.




I am very much a vet..

And yes for sure,, the civilian look alikes are made to the military style for sales value..

they are in every sports store/catalog you can find these days..

While of course, we can find many differences in the military rifles from the "sports" version, the Military look is by design..

No accident. they are looking military, as rapid fire and effective on people rather then the sleek look of accuracy bestowed on hunting rifles for generation..



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Jun 7, 2019 09:15:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
The 2nd amendment isn't about outlawing arms!!!! Rather it, like most of the Constitution, is about limiting the federal government's authority over American's rights. To equate such limitations being imposed as being like traffic regulations boggles the mind. And to say a right guaranteed in our constitution equates with something not being forbidden because it isn't in the constitution; has no logical basis.


You are doing that selective reading again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

the 2nd does not allow any sort of arms a person wishes.. machine guns need special permit, Tanks; try and buy one..

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the shotgun "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . ." The Court then explained that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the effectiveness of the military.

Nearly all laws are subject to interpretation;and the 2nd nearly leads the pack..

This is a browning 30 caliber paint ball gun..
This is a browning 30 caliber paint ball gun.....

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Jun 7, 2019 09:16:38   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
permafrost wrote:
I am very much a vet..

And yes for sure,, the civilian look alikes are made to the military style for sales value..

they are in every sports store/catalog you can find these days..

While of course, we can find many differences in the military rifles from the "sports" version, the Military look is by design..

No accident. they are looking military, as rapid fire and effective on people rather then the sleek look of accuracy bestowed on hunting rifles for generation..
I am very much a vet.. br br And yes for sure,, ... (show quote)




Hey Perm, here's an idea for global climate pursuers...make it legal (correction, mandatory) for everyone to carry machine guns...

Encourage firepower resolution to solve even the smallest of incidents.

Another weapon...I mean component... could be the death penalty for parking violations...thin out the cities.

We can solve that carbon footprint issue.😉

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Jun 7, 2019 09:23:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Civilian versions of the AR15? The AR15 IS a civilian gun. So you have semiautomatics but want to limit others being able to have them.



Joy, you know that is not a fact...


ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it. In 1959 the company sold the design to Colt. In 1963, the U.S. military selected Colt to manufacture the automatic rifle that soon became standard issue for U.S. troops in the Vietnam War.


did you find any post I made that called for confiscating anyones semi auto guns??

No, you did not.. I was very clear that it would never be done..

I did say that it would have been better to keep the limit included in the 1994 laws which we went over a few posts ago..

the millitary style guns sold have the look for sales purpose... said it before and stand by it..

this is an air rifle..
this is an air rifle.....

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Jun 7, 2019 09:37:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
byronglimish wrote:
Hey Perm, here's an idea for global climate pursuers...make it legal (correction, mandatory) for everyone to carry machine guns...

Encourage firepower resolution to solve even the smallest of incidents.

Another weapon...I mean component... could be the death penalty for parking violations...thin out the cities.

We can solve that carbon footprint issue.😉




It would seem that the air gun Blade showed us would be the real solution.. all that air would have a cooling effect....right?

As for parking.. anyone parking i n the spot i want should face instant death..

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Jun 7, 2019 09:38:27   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
Ban the cars that cause drunk driving. If that works, do the guns.

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Jun 7, 2019 09:44:18   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
coelacanth wrote:
Ban the cars that cause drunk driving. If that works, do the guns.


Good idea!

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Jun 7, 2019 10:59:32   #
John King
 
permafrost wrote:
You are doing that selective reading again.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

the 2nd does not allow any sort of arms a person wishes.. machine guns need special permit, Tanks; try and buy one..

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court considered the matter in United States v. Miller. 307 U.S. 174. The Court adopted a collective rights approach in this case, determining that Congress could regulate a sawed-off shotgun that had moved in interstate commerce under the National Firearms Act of 1934 because the evidence did not suggest that the shotgun "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated milita . . . ." The Court then explained that the Framers included the Second Amendment to ensure the effectiveness of the military.

Nearly all laws are subject to interpretation;and the 2nd nearly leads the pack..
You are doing that selective reading again. br b... (show quote)


So, are you saying everything the Supreme Court does or says is correct . . . like Roe-v-Wade . . . and they never make any mistakes? Why do you think it is sooooo important for the democrats to win the White House?!? Their main reason is so they can pick the next SCOTUS nomination . . . although this point may be argued against!

So forget about clambering on about the Supreme Court and stretch your mind around what the founding fathers said and around the reality of the events of the time . . . that will serve us all better in grasping why and what for the second amendment was even placed in the Constitution!

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Jun 7, 2019 11:05:30   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
permafrost wrote:
Joy, you know that is not a fact...


ArmaLite first developed the AR-15 in the late 1950s as a military rifle, but had limited success in selling it. In 1959 the company sold the design to Colt. In 1963, the U.S. military selected Colt to manufacture the automatic rifle that soon became standard issue for U.S. troops in the Vietnam War.


did you find any post I made that called for confiscating anyones semi auto guns??

No, you did not.. I was very clear that it would never be done..

I did say that it would have been better to keep the limit included in the 1994 laws which we went over a few posts ago..

the millitary style guns sold have the look for sales purpose... said it before and stand by it..
Joy, you know that is not a fact... br br br Arm... (show quote)


Eugene Stoner designed the AR-10 in 7.62 Nato for the Army trials to replace the M1 and 30/06 round. The Army ultimately adopted the T-44 which became known as the M-14. Stoner's company, ArmaLite, sold the AR-10 to the Sudan. The AR-15 was a scaled down AR-10 for the newly designed 5.56 round and was called the AR-15. ArmaLite soled the rights to the AR-15 to Colt, who then redesigned it for easier manufacture. Eventually the AR-15 was adopted by the Army as the M-16. Colt then came out with a semi-automatic only version for civilian and police use and again called it the AR-15.

There are all kinds of semi-automatic firearms around and the AR-15 group is just one. There are AK-47s, FN-FALs, CETMEs. Galils, Rugers, Remingtons, Winchesters, Johnsons, M1As and more. Anything chambered for .30 caliber such as .308 are allot more powerful.

The 5.56/.223 round was so lacking in long range ballistics in Afghanistan that mothballed M-14's were brought out and accurized for long range sniper rifles.

The Second Amendment is to allow for armed militias who would have military-style arms.

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Jun 7, 2019 11:10:39   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
John King wrote:
So, are you saying everything the Supreme Court does or says is correct . . . like Roe-v-Wade . . . and they never make any mistakes? Why do you think it is sooooo important for the democrats to win the White House?!? Their main reason is so they can pick the next SCOTUS nomination . . . although this point may be argued against!

So forget about clambering on about the Supreme Court and stretch your mind around what the founding fathers said and around the reality of the events of the time . . . that will serve us all better in grasping why and what for the second amendment was even placed in the Constitution!
So, are you saying everything the Supreme Court do... (show quote)



You know what Mr King....our Supreme Court Jurists have been (it seems) working more toward the middle ground.

Which, like everything else mankind does, could be good or bad.

That being said...i totally prefer a constitutionalist above any political sway, but the left is constantly proving that they hate our sovereignty and constitution.

So bring on more conservatives!!!

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Jun 7, 2019 11:17:17   #
John King
 
byronglimish wrote:
You know what Mr King....our Supreme Court Jurists have been (it seems) working more toward the middle ground.

Which, like everything else mankind does, could be good or bad.

That being said...i totally prefer a constitutionalist above any political sway, but the left is constantly proving that they hate our sovereignty and constitution.

So bring on more conservatives!!!


Yup!!!

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Jun 7, 2019 12:44:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
John King wrote:
So, are you saying everything the Supreme Court does or says is correct . . . like Roe-v-Wade . . . and they never make any mistakes? Why do you think it is sooooo important for the democrats to win the White House?!? Their main reason is so they can pick the next SCOTUS nomination . . . although this point may be argued against!

So forget about clambering on about the Supreme Court and stretch your mind around what the founding fathers said and around the reality of the events of the time . . . that will serve us all better in grasping why and what for the second amendment was even placed in the Constitution!
So, are you saying everything the Supreme Court do... (show quote)



I agree with you. I is crucial that we get the president out our white house and we prevent the SC from becoming one more oppressive unit used by the anti-american orange forces..

The goals and direction set down by the founding fathers should not be replace by a small group of our country who have only themselves as benefiting from the economic gains of misplaced policy by the same very rich minority..



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Jun 7, 2019 13:15:22   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Oh good grief. Nobody will do a damn thing about mass killings with guns. It is a battle between who ever screams the loudest and who has the most money and a 500 lb Gorilla* on their side. We can care all we want and it still won't mean a thing. The mental cases with violence on their records will still go to Wal-Mart and pass a background check in 5 minutes Walk out with a rifle and kill half of their neighbors the next day. We just have to accept this as part of living in the USA and take our chances when we leave our homes. We might as well buy Burial plans for our kids since nobody knows when or where the next school shooting will be. Might as well be prepared to minimize the financial impact of sudden death of loved ones. ----*give you one guess who the gorilla is.

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