Nickolai

It is as Dr Carl Sagan said in his last book a Demon haunted world “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

JW

Remember that as the deep state starts falling apart and you and the Left keep on saying it's all Trump's doing.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Good life lessons, for sure. Some historical significance, too.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

What you wrote reads very much like "mocking," nwtk, however, as you well know, only God can look into your heart.

No one has ever been able to disprove the truth of the Bible. All scientific evidence, as well as archaeology
to this date has verified God's Word.

If you place no belief in or reliance on the Bible, what is your source through which you know the mind of God and what He is thinking??

God cares not only for "them," for His love includes you.

Solomon, whom God blessed with great wisdom saw that men cannot "fathom" what God is doing.

Ecclesiastes 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

Ecclesiastes 8:17
I saw every work of God, and that a man is unable to comprehend the work that is done under the sun. Despite his efforts to search it out, he cannot find its meaning; even if the wise man claims to know, he is unable to comprehend.


Yet, the Holy Spirit in the New Testament tells us that born-again believers have access to the mind of Jesus Christ.

1st Corinthians 2:15-16
The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. “For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I see you like Ecclesiastes. "I have searched the earth for a righteous person; of a thousand men,I found one, of a thousand women, I found none."

I know the mind of God as good as the next person. You seem to think you do, I see.

Do you have evidence for Biblical magic outside of Biblical writings? Just because there actually is a town called Bethlehem, doesn't mean the Son of God was born there. And how about that virgin birth. Was an in vitro conception used there?

Can you disprove the lack of evidence for that?

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You quote from a book titled: False Religion~~That says it all~~😡

https://books.google.com/books?id=a15U43cqizcC&pg=PT2&lpg=PT2&dq=Religion+is+out+first+version+of+the+truth+our+first+attempt+as+a+species+to+what+we+tried+when+we+didn%27t+know+anything,+we+didn%27t+know+we+lived+on+a+spherical+planet,+or+that+the+planet+revolved+around+the&source=bl&ots=tLTexYMbJe&sig=ACfU3U3myjtJUpXXw3p48OMAGtmRQ5y8vw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj24Y7CpMjiAhUQPa0KHRlhCNIQ6AEwBXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Religion%20is%20out%20first%20version%20of%20the%20truth%20our%20first%20attempt%20as%20a%20species%20to%20what%20we%20tried%20when%20we%20didn't%20know%20anything%2C%20we%20didn't%20know%20we%20lived%20on%20a%20spherical%20planet%2C%20or%20that%20the%20planet%20revolved%20around%20the&f=false

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

What a perfectly quaint phrase on your part, original, no doubt?

I have no need to "disprove anything."

Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he exists, and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him."


You know very well within your own soul that God exists, and that you will someday give an accounting before Him.

Not one among the 1,000 women in his haram did he find righteous, which is perfectly understandable,as that was not what he sought in selecting them.

"He (Solomon) came to have seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives gradually inclined his heart to worship false gods." (1 Kings 11:1-4)

He is clear about there not being any righteous man upon the earth.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 "Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."

By "one of a thousand men," is meant the, Messiah, the Wisdom of God, for whom he sought, (Ecclesiastes 7:25) ; and now says he found; to whom he looked for peace, pardon, and atonement, under a sense of his sins.


The Targum says,

"there is another thing which yet my soul seeketh, and I have not found; a man perfect and innocent, without corruption, from the days of Adam, till Abraham the righteous was born; who was found faithful and just among the thousand kings who were gathered together to build the tower of Babel; and a woman among all the wives of those kings, as Sarah, I found not.''

The targumim were spoken paraphrases, explanations and expansions of the Jewish scriptures that a rabbi would give in the common language of the listeners, which was then often Aramaic. That had become necessary near the end of the 1st century BCE, as the common language was in transition and Hebrew was used for little more than schooling and worship. The noun "Targum" is derived from the early semitic quadriliteral root trgm, and the Akkadian term targummanu refers to "translator, interpreter".


God didn't perform "magic." Magic is of the occult, i.e., an alternate spirituality not associated with the God of the Bible.

When you ridicule the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, you are mocking God.

Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is anything too difficult for Me?

Genesis 18:14
Is anything too difficult for the LORD? At the appointed time I will return to you - in about a year - and Sarah will have a son."

There is both literary and archaeological evidence that Bethlehem of Judea was the birthplace of Jesus.

The literary evidence begins with the Gospel records of Matthew and Luke.

Matthew 2:1 records,

”Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem…”

Luke 2:1-7 records,

”And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem (because he was of the house and lineage of David) to be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.”

Both Gospel accounts state clearly that Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea.

Matthew further records that this was exactly what God had foretold. In Matthew 2:1-6 when Herod calls the Jewish leaders together to find out where the messiah was to be born, the Jewish leaders responded that it was in Bethlehem of Judea as the prophecy of Micah 5:2 reveals.

This is the testimony of the apostles that Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea according to the OT prophecy.

The reason that the apostles and the early disciples believed that Jesus was the messiah, the Son of God, is that he fulfilled these prophecies of the messiah. There was no need to change anything. The apostles handed down the truth about the life of Christ through the Gospels and the early church accepted them based on their apostleship and all the other evidence circulated by various eye-witnesses at that time who could easily deny any false claims such as the birthplace of Jesus.

Nickolai

"No one has ever been able to disprove the truth of the Bible. All scientific evidence, as well as archaeology to this date has verified God's Word." This is riduclous; Adam and eve story has been disproved. In fact the first five books of the old testemant has been disproved by modern scientific archeology. combined with actually known history cities described as large cties acctually have been reveeale to be small viliages and time lines don't match, Science has proved the bible stories were fictional tales crafted to portry a moral message and are allegorical

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Time and again!

Most of the old testament was oral telling, history, handed down over numbers of generations; altered and embellished to enhance what they wanted the children of their culture to be. It was honorable but not literal truth.

Nickolai

It is the truth and as Dr Carl Sagan said Religion has become so ingrained in society " it seems no matter how much progress we make it seems we will never get rid of it. " In the Caribbean vodou in some places is as ingrained as Christianity in the US bible belt Sagan estimated there is possibly 2,500 different religions on this planet

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Since the mid 1800s, archeological expeditions in the Holy Land have uncovered thousands of Biblical artifacts. The list is far too long to post here, but some of these artifacts date back 10 centuries BCE, such as the House of David Stele (Tel Dan Inscription). In 1990, archeologists found a burial chamber in the City of David (near the Temple Mount) in which an ossuary containing the bones of a family named Caiaphas was found.

Archeology in Israel and environs is not an occasional thing, Nik, it is ongoing pretty much year round.

In 2018 alone, among other finds were the Esarhaddon inscriptions found at the shrine of Jonah, Semitic abecedary found in Egypt, the unlooted royal family tomb at Megiddo (3700 years old), the Signature of Isaiah the prophet in seal impression, Pontius Pilate Seal Ring.

Other finds include the Ketef Hinnom Scrolls (c. late 7th century BCE), found in a burial chamber just southwest of Jerusalem. This find included two small silver scrolls that turned out to be the amulets Hebrew priests wore, the inscription on these amulets is the Birkat Kohanim (the priestly benediction from Numbers 6.)

Still, The Dead Sea scrolls are greatest Biblical artifact ever uncovered. These ancient scrolls contain passages and fragments of every book in the Bible except Esther.

Associates for Biblical Research
Biblical Archeology Society

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

So blade, no offense, do these artifacts actually prove the things in the Bible, like miracles, healing, etc. Healers were a dime a dozen, prophets cheaper, exorcists every where. Some of these people of the Bible were real, no doubt. So was George Washington, but come back in a thousand years and you'll find people who believe he chopped down a cherry tree but refused to lie about it.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No offense taken.

Historical Evidence of Jesus’ Miracles
Biblical Archeology Society: The Miracles of Jesus
CARM: Is there historical evidence of Jesus' miracles?
BioLogos: Does modern science make miracles impossible?
IS BIBLE RELIABLE AND ACCURATE?

John King

"...It may not be said that there is no god--it may be said that there is no reason be said that there is one . . . That is what Lucreatus (Lucretius) and Democratus (Democritus) and the original anti thiestic (theistic) thinkers said in their critique of religion. To go from a Diest (Deist) to a Thiest (Theist) in other words to a person who says god cares about you, knows who you are, minds what you do, answeres (answers) your prayers, cares whic bits of your penius or clitoris you saw off r have sawan (sawed) away for you, minds who you go to bed with, and in what way, what holy days you observe, minds what you eat, minds what positions you use for pleasure, your worke is still ahead of you and lots of luck. The reasons why I'm glad this is not true is..."

If the way you write/type is any indication of how you think . . . you, sir, are in trouble! I've given 7 corrections of spelling and there are more . . . I'm going to write those off as youth (...an assumption, but I'd say a fair one...) !

What it really boils down to is this . . . how great is your God? To think God doesn't care about us, knows who we are, minds what we do, answers prayer, cares about body parts being sawed off, minds about fornication . . . well, that is a very impish god indeed!!!

God is greater than that . . . God is so great He CAN care about all those things, and stand on His head at the same time (...just to make a point that God can do multiple things at the same time...)! If your God is that weak, small, and impotent . . . I'd say your god is no God at all!!!

....just my opinion!!!

Nickolai

https://youtu.be/nh6wgcgZjWM
These are all apologist sites-- what would you expect them to say, Christian sites are going to make a case for the bible. But thre is no cross examination there fore it is meaning less