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Trump Loses Rule Of Law Yet Again... Court Says Congress Can Have Financial Records
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May 20, 2019 21:20:36   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Democrats complain about Trump wanting to pack the court, but if they had their way there would be nine Ginsberg's on the SCOTUS.



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May 20, 2019 21:27:01   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
https://thehill.com/regulation/444638-judge-upholds-house-panel-subpoena-for-trump-financial-records?userid=178778

Try to use your brains and figure out if perhaps Trump is being unlawful when he refuses to comply with subpoenas.

When he tells McGahn to refuse to testify he is obstructing lawful investigations.


No, he is just re-establishing his role under Article II of the Constitution. Congress has tried to put the cart before the horse and flaunt their flabby muscles by ignoring the separation of powers.

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May 20, 2019 21:45:38   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 

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May 20, 2019 21:46:57   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
woodguru wrote:
Do you understand the rule of law that is being upheld by the courts? You act like every conflict Trump gets into is based on pure partisanship bias. He is wrong and on the wrong side of the rule of law in every case he is refusing to provide documentation or testimony asked for. This isn't the civilian version of the law and courts being blocked up by any stupid premise his attorneys want to float, he is up against the country and the rule of law...the constitution.

There are certain hard cold laws he is violating that the supreme court is going to shoot him down on, there is a point to how far they will go to "side" with him.
Do you understand the rule of law that is being up... (show quote)


Wrong...

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May 21, 2019 00:40:40   #
PeterS
 
proud republican wrote:
So its not over...President will take it all the way to the Supreme Court...Maybe he lost a battle, but he will win the war!!

The court would have to agree to hear it and else the lower courts ruling stands. Is there a reason you think the Supreme court would disagree with the rule of law and allow Trump to usurp it?

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May 21, 2019 00:46:13   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
slatten49 wrote:
You may be right, as precedents are routinely being set. But, in this case, the Republicans used the same 1924 law in question to call out the Obama Administration's alleged abuse of the IRS.

Back in 2013, Republicans thought the Internal Revenue Service under President Barack Obama was mistreating conservative groups that wanted to be recognized as tax-exempt nonprofits. So they asked the IRS to hand over tax information for conservative groups such as Crossroads GPS as well as a few liberal groups such as Priorities USA.

Congress has the power to ask for copies of anyone’s tax return thanks to a 1924 law enacted as a check on corruption in the executive branch. The 1924 law gives congressional committees that set tax policy the power to examine tax returns. It was used in 1974 when Congress looked at President Richard Nixon's returns, and in 2014 when the Ways and Means Committee released confidential tax information as part of its investigation into the Internal Revenue Service's handling of applications for nonprofit status.
You may be right, as precedents are routinely bein... (show quote)




Hey Slatten, I think there is a glaring difference.
The there was smoking gun evidence that the IRS was abusing power.
The dems investigating are simply going on another fishing trip.

"Trump was found innocent of Collusion, he must be guilty of something" "

Personally I think his tax attorneys may have manipulated every possible loop hole and since Trump has been audited just about every single year, my guess is he doesn't want it made publicly how little taxes he paid. Does not mean he is guilty.

But when do the fishing trips end? Damn Mueller was the third investigation into collusion. First one innocent, second one innocent, so maybe a third one will surface a different crime. Anyone believing Mueller was investigating Trump for collision hasn't been paying attention. Mueller was fishing for something, anything, any wrong doing and found nothing.
The judge ignored the rule of law by not having a justified cause other than a fishing trip.

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May 21, 2019 01:17:54   #
PeterS
 
archie bunker wrote:
This is setting a really bad precedent for our country. The coin always flips, and the left is setting the precedent for it to become them.

How is it a bad precedent? Congress has every right to investigate the president for financial wrongdoings. They are doing nothing that isn't within their purview.

As for coin flip--perhaps this is the coin flip for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. With that, there was a backlash because most people saw it as Clinton being impeached for getting a blow job. Only you moral majority conservatives cared about presidential fellatio. Do you think the nation will be equally upset if Trump is impeached for financial misconduct?

Mind you, the lead story in the NY Times today was Kirchner possibly laundering money to individual Russian oligarchs using Deutsche Bank in 2016. Laundering money for the Russians is one of the accusations against your president. He can only be investigated for such if his financial record are looked at. Besides, an investigation isn't the same as an impeachment. For that, they can wait to see if your president is reelected.

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May 21, 2019 01:38:21   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Just watched a disturbing video and I don't know how to post it.

The Democrats supposedly/reportedly are deleting any reference to God in all Congressional proceedings, where possible, including the swearing-in of witnesses or when giving testimony.

The Declaration of Independence established that our rights are derived from God and not from government.

If you think some people lied even when God was still in the oath, now they don't even have to answer to or worry about that!

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May 21, 2019 01:52:21   #
PeterS
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Hey Slatten, I think there is a glaring difference.
The there was smoking gun evidence that the IRS was abusing power.
The dems investigating are simply going on another fishing trip.

"Trump was found innocent of Collusion, he must be guilty of something" "

Personally I think his tax attorneys may have manipulated every possible loop hole and since Trump has been audited just about every single year, my guess is he doesn't want it made publicly how little taxes he paid. Does not mean he is guilty.

But when do the fishing trips end? Damn Mueller was the third investigation into collusion. First one innocent, second one innocent, so maybe a third one will surface a different crime. Anyone believing Mueller was investigating Trump for collision hasn't been paying attention. Mueller was fishing for something, anything, any wrong doing and found nothing.
The judge ignored the rule of law by not having a justified cause other than a fishing trip.
Hey Slatten, I think there is a glaring difference... (show quote)

If the IRS was abusing power Republicans held Congress, therefore, had every right to investigate them. So did they and did the IRS refuse to answer any and all subpoenas? As for the Democrats going on fishing trips...where in the constitution does it say Congress can't go fishing if they suspect wrongdoing?

Show me the line and I will agree with you...

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May 21, 2019 02:08:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
How is it a bad precedent? Congress has every right to investigate the president for financial wrongdoings. They are doing nothing that isn't within their purview.

As for coin flip--perhaps this is the coin flip for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. With that, there was a backlash because most people saw it as Clinton being impeached for getting a blow job. Only you moral majority conservatives cared about presidential fellatio. Do you think the nation will be equally upset if Trump is impeached for financial misconduct?

Mind you, the lead story in the NY Times today was Kirchner possibly laundering money to individual Russian oligarchs using Deutsche Bank in 2016. Laundering money for the Russians is one of the accusations against your president. He can only be investigated for such if his financial record are looked at. Besides, an investigation isn't the same as an impeachment. For that, they can wait to see if your president is reelected.
How is it a bad precedent? Congress has every righ... (show quote)
Congress does not have plenary power over the Executive Branch. Moreover, congress has no constitutional authority to investigate or subpoena a president's financial records or business transactions when he was a private citizen. Congress has only one option-impeachment. And the articles of impeachment must be based on actions the POTUS has taken WHILE IN OFFICE. If actions of the POTUS prior to taking office can be connected with sufficient legal proof directly to his actions while in office, these may be considered.

Bottom line, congress is not a law enforcement agency. Congress doesn’t enforce tax or business fraud laws. There are scores of executive branch agencies, federal and state, with that responsibility. What’s happening isn’t a constitutional crisis, it’s a HOR clown act.

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May 21, 2019 02:52:15   #
truthiness
 
archie bunker wrote:
I don't believe it was "alleged", but was obstructed.
Anywhoo...If I were Trump, I would send any, and everyone they demand to, and tell them to plead the 5th. Works every time, right?

.....
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/384937-trump-comments-on-fifth-amendment-resurfaced-after-cohen-filing

"The mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said at one campaign rally in September 2017. “If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

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May 21, 2019 03:10:27   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
PeterS wrote:
If the IRS was abusing power Republicans held Congress, therefore, had every right to investigate them. So did they and did the IRS refuse to answer any and all subpoenas? As for the Democrats going on fishing trips...where in the constitution does it say Congress can't go fishing if they suspect wrongdoing?

Show me the line and I will agree with you...



Remember Louis Learner.

Pete, it was proven that the irs denied tax exempt status to conservatives.

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May 21, 2019 03:25:29   #
Seth
 
archie bunker wrote:
I don't believe it was "alleged", but was obstructed.
Anywhoo...If I were Trump, I would send any, and everyone they demand to, and tell them to plead the 5th. Works every time, right?


Worked just fine for Lois Lerner. 😁

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May 21, 2019 07:12:35   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
woodguru wrote:
Do you understand the rule of law that is being upheld by the courts? You act like every conflict Trump gets into is based on pure partisanship bias. He is wrong and on the wrong side of the rule of law in every case he is refusing to provide documentation or testimony asked for. This isn't the civilian version of the law and courts being blocked up by any stupid premise his attorneys want to float, he is up against the country and the rule of law...the constitution.

There are certain hard cold laws he is violating that the supreme court is going to shoot him down on, there is a point to how far they will go to "side" with him.
Do you understand the rule of law that is being up... (show quote)



We'll see how leftists fight for the rule of law when Barr gets serious about investigating the real lawbreakers instead of giving them passes.

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May 21, 2019 07:23:44   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Kevyn wrote:
It will be a true tragedy for the republic if he is able to stack the courts and unqualified ideologues he appointed hold him above the law.



When Democrats stack the courts it's "Elections have consequences!" When Republicans stack the courts, it's "Abuse of power."

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