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May 19, 2019 09:09:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
"But why should I offer up my sincere understanding if I am not attempting to sway others to my beliefs?"

That's the weakest excuse I have ever read on this forum! But if that's what you want to go with!


And this answers all three of my questions...

It is unfair to use a half quote...
It should have read:"But why should I offer up my sincere understandings if I am not attempting to sway others to my beliefs? And can only expect contempt and ridicule in return... "

I wish you well...
And hope you are in good health...

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May 19, 2019 09:19:14   #
Morgan
 
Zemirah wrote:
God is not one with everything. God is separate and apart from His creation.

It is pantheism, which maintains that "God is all, and all is God."

Pantheism is the view that God is everything and everyone and that everyone and everything is God. Pantheism is similar to polytheism (the belief in many gods), but goes beyond polytheism to teach that everything is God. A tree is God, a rock is God, an animal is God, the sky is God, the sun is God, you are God, etc. Pantheism is the supposition behind many cults and false religions (e.g., Hinduism and Buddhism to an extent, the various unity and unification cults, and “mother nature” worshipers).

Does the Bible teach pantheism? No, it does not. What many people confuse as pantheism is the doctrine of God’s omnipresence. Psalm 139:7-8 declares, “Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” God’s omnipresence means He is present everywhere. There is no place in the universe where God is not present. This is not the same thing as pantheism. God is everywhere, but He is not everything. Yes, God is “present” inside a tree and inside a person, but that does not make that tree or person God. Pantheism is not at all a biblical belief.

The clearest biblical arguments against pantheism are the countless commands against idolatry. The Bible forbids the worship of idols, angels, celestial objects, items in nature, etc. If pantheism were true, it would not be wrong to worship such an object, because that object would, in fact, be God. If pantheism were true, worshiping a rock or an animal would have just as much validity as worshiping God as an invisible and spiritual being. The Bible’s clear and consistent denunciation of idolatry is a conclusive argument against pantheism.

The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with pantheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His Creation.


Jesus Among Other gods by Ravi Zacharias.
God is not one with everything. God is separate an... (show quote)


I completely disagree, God is "in" and connected to everything,
No... a tree is not God, but God is in the tree, just as God is in you and I, not separate. This is how I define one with everything.

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May 19, 2019 09:30:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Morgan wrote:
I completely disagree, God is "in" and connected to everything,
No... a tree is not God, but God is in the tree, just as God is in you and I, not separate. This is how I define one with everything.


Agreed...

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May 19, 2019 09:30:21   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
Not adversaries. Satan is my adversary. He wants people to believe they don’t need to be saved, Christ isn’t necessary for salvation, to rely on their own wisdom rather than God’s and to believe the bible isn’t to be taken literally.

Don’t let him devour you.


Not everything has to be defined through the Bible Rose, take for example the word adversary, it simply means one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute. Can be two people simply debating opposing analogies, ideologies, theories, etc. You appear to be irritated today, just saying.

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May 19, 2019 10:59:38   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And this answers all three of my questions...

It is unfair to use a half quote...
It should have read:"But why should I offer up my sincere understandings if I am not attempting to sway others to my beliefs? And can only expect contempt and ridicule in return... "

I wish you well...
And hope you are in good health...


Adding the second sentence did not change the meaning of the first sentence!

But! I understand!........."That's your story and you're sticking to it!"

And I will be sticking to my opinion that it is a 'weak' excuse!

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May 19, 2019 12:01:59   #
Morgan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Agreed...


Hi Kyle, how are you today?

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May 19, 2019 16:56:12   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Zemirah wrote:
Whose opinion do you argue in a debate, dtucker?

Your great uncles? Einsteins? You 3rd cousins - twice removed?

Those with no opinion don't engage in debating in a forum.

The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?

Your conclusion defies reason and common sense.

I added a full page of factual historical documented information on the life of Charles Darwin.

You, on the other hand, have added fury, smoke and mirrors.

Railing at me doesn't change that.
Whose opinion do you argue in a debate, dtucker? b... (show quote)


To everyone on OPP.
Earlier I stated to Zemirah that I was not going to respond to any more of her stupidiotic questions, from here on out, on this thread. She is trying to goad me into responding to her ludicrous and trivial pronouncements. One of the most facetious statements I have ever read on OPP is the one below where she tries to put words in my mouth, words I have never uttered. This is the most reprehensible and interminable means of trying to control a debate through disingenuous tactics: She resorts to ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with her and charges that these people have been brainwashed. Here is what Zemirah says;

"The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much-traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?"

First, this thread has not been about the existence of God. Nevertheless, this cannot be proven, nor can it be proven that God doesn't exist. To think otherwise is unenlightened lunacy regardless of what the Bible may say.

However, my focus is on Zemirah's statement, "...yet the Theory of Evolution is an unarguable 'Universal Truth.'"
Here is where Zemirah's defies logic and reason with this statement. A 'theory" is a proposed explanation whose status is still conjecture [that is without sufficient evidence of proof]. Darwin's Theory of Evolution hardly qualifies as a Universal Truth! Many people deny different aspects of Darwin's Theory because there are many things, well-documented, that Darwin got wrong. Now she will claim that she is only exposing my opinion about Universal Truths.

Zemirah only has tremendous disdain for the intellect of anyone who disagrees. The absurdity of her premises never leads to syllogistic reasoning and the outcome is denigrating and disparaging vindictiveness. She does not act in what I would call a Christian-like manner, which makes me question her sincerity when she makes any claim of her own about God.

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May 19, 2019 17:08:16   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
Not everything has to be defined through the Bible Rose, take for example the word adversary, it simply means one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute. Can be two people simply debating opposing analogies, ideologies, theories, etc. You appear to be irritated today, just saying.


No I'm not irritated. It takes much more than that to irritate me. Though when I was young I had a hair trigger. Lol

When I say I have one adversary - Satan - I mean it. Everyone has the possibility of being saved and I want that for everyone no matter who it is. From the average Joe to the serial killer.

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May 19, 2019 17:25:41   #
rumitoid
 
Morgan wrote:
I completely disagree, God is "in" and connected to everything,
No... a tree is not God, but God is in the tree, just as God is in you and I, not separate. This is how I define one with everything.


That is pantheism.

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May 19, 2019 17:29:42   #
rumitoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
To everyone on OPP.
Earlier I stated to Zemirah that I was not going to respond to any more of her stupidiotic questions, from here on out, on this thread. She is trying to goad me into responding to her ludicrous and trivial pronouncements. One of the most facetious statements I have ever read on OPP is the one below where she tries to put words in my mouth, words I have never uttered. This is the most reprehensible and interminable means of trying to control a debate through disingenuous tactics: She resorts to ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with her and charges that these people have been brainwashed. Here is what Zemirah says;

"The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much-traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?"

First, this thread has not been about the existence of God. Nevertheless, this cannot be proven, nor can it be proven that God doesn't exist. To think otherwise is unenlightened lunacy regardless of what the Bible may say.

However, my focus is on Zemirah's statement, "...yet the Theory of Evolution is an unarguable 'Universal Truth.'"
Here is where Zemirah's defies logic and reason with this statement. A 'theory" is a proposed explanation whose status is still conjecture [that is without sufficient evidence of proof]. Darwin's Theory of Evolution hardly qualifies as a Universal Truth! Many people deny different aspects of Darwin's Theory because there are many things, well-documented, that Darwin got wrong. Now she will claim that she is only exposing my opinion about Universal Truths.

Zemirah only has tremendous disdain for the intellect of anyone who disagrees. The absurdity of her premises never leads to syllogistic reasoning and the outcome is denigrating and disparaging vindictiveness. She does not act in what I would call a Christian-like manner, which makes me question her sincerity when she makes any claim of her own about God.
To everyone on OPP. br Earlier I stated to Zemir... (show quote)


You are thoroughly wrong about the nature of scientific theory. "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world."

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May 19, 2019 17:40:33   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
No I'm not irritated. It takes much more than that to irritate me. Though when I was young I had a hair trigger. Lol

When I say I have one adversary - Satan - I mean it. Everyone has the possibility of being saved and I want that for everyone no matter who it is. From the average Joe to the serial killer.


In my experience, to see Satan as my adversary, much less my one adversary, is a grave mistake. I am the devil of my thoughts, words, and deeds. Putting it outside myself within the incarnation of an evil force is part of evil's great deception. Ego fits what happened in the garden: the poisoned fruit of knowing good from evil. And it fits the title Lucifer: "bearer of light."

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May 19, 2019 17:46:29   #
rumitoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
To everyone on OPP.
Earlier I stated to Zemirah that I was not going to respond to any more of her stupidiotic questions, from here on out, on this thread. She is trying to goad me into responding to her ludicrous and trivial pronouncements. One of the most facetious statements I have ever read on OPP is the one below where she tries to put words in my mouth, words I have never uttered. This is the most reprehensible and interminable means of trying to control a debate through disingenuous tactics: She resorts to ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with her and charges that these people have been brainwashed. Here is what Zemirah says;

"The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much-traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?"

First, this thread has not been about the existence of God. Nevertheless, this cannot be proven, nor can it be proven that God doesn't exist. To think otherwise is unenlightened lunacy regardless of what the Bible may say.

However, my focus is on Zemirah's statement, "...yet the Theory of Evolution is an unarguable 'Universal Truth.'"
Here is where Zemirah's defies logic and reason with this statement. A 'theory" is a proposed explanation whose status is still conjecture [that is without sufficient evidence of proof]. Darwin's Theory of Evolution hardly qualifies as a Universal Truth! Many people deny different aspects of Darwin's Theory because there are many things, well-documented, that Darwin got wrong. Now she will claim that she is only exposing my opinion about Universal Truths.

Zemirah only has tremendous disdain for the intellect of anyone who disagrees. The absurdity of her premises never leads to syllogistic reasoning and the outcome is denigrating and disparaging vindictiveness. She does not act in what I would call a Christian-like manner, which makes me question her sincerity when she makes any claim of her own about God.
To everyone on OPP. br Earlier I stated to Zemir... (show quote)


Zemirah is one thing: humble. She and I have had something of a turbulent relationship, and worse than that. I do not for a second doubt her decency or integrity. Disagree with her? We do see differently on some things. Have her at my six as a friend? No better.

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May 19, 2019 18:06:00   #
rumitoid
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Which part of the Gospel do I reject?
That is a false accusation... and not appreciated...


Critical thinking cannot pertain to faith. Try critical thinking on the Resurrection? Changing water into wine? Fact and truth are two different things when engaging the spiritual.

One morning I had a voice say, "Jesus only had to say three words: Resist not evil." I had no clue what that meant and left for work. At work, one of the owners handed me a book saying she kept getting the message it was for me. On break, I randomly opened it and read a few lines before seeing a footnote indication. Love footnote trivia. The footnote said: "Leo Tolstoi believed that Jesus only had to say three words: resist not evil." Changed my whole perspective of what is possible and what life means.

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May 19, 2019 18:11:04   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
dtucker,

In your appeal for public assistance on this forum, in which you, of your own free will, are participating, you have made perfectly clear your unambiguous impartiality, clear sightedness, and obvious truthfulness toward those with opposing views.

When I stated, in approximately these words or less, - that anyone who attended public schools and universities teaching "evolution" as a scientific fact, rather than unproven theory, for the twelve plus years of their schooling, has been "brainwashed, is not a facetious statement.

It is a fact. It is the truth. They have never, in an academic setting, been introduced to the historic and factual scientific information supporting creationism.

Please carefully reconsider my words, and your own, if necessary, from your safe space. You will see that you have misrepresented them.

Anyone who chooses to do so in a civil manner, may participate in these debates. How you react to disagreement from others says more about you than about them.

Taking to heart the words expressed on an internet debate, to the point of summoning assistance, when disagreed with, I find amazing.

I've read much in recent months about "snowflakes" being encountered... but until now had not considered it a likely experience I would ever encounter.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? (Galatians 4:16)

https://answersingenesis.org/bios/
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/modern/
http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/do-all-scientists-believe-in-evolution/
http://www.lamblion.com/xfiles/publications/magazines/Lamplighter_JanFeb19_Creation_v_Evolution.pdf



dtucker300 wrote:
To everyone on OPP.
Earlier I stated to Zemirah that I was not going to respond to any more of her stupidiotic questions, from here on out, on this thread. She is trying to goad me into responding to her ludicrous and trivial pronouncements. One of the most facetious statements I have ever read on OPP is the one below where she tries to put words in my mouth, words I have never uttered. This is the most reprehensible and interminable means of trying to control a debate through disingenuous tactics: She resorts to ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with her and charges that these people have been brainwashed. Here is what Zemirah says;

"The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much-traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?"

First, this thread has not been about the existence of God. Nevertheless, this cannot be proven, nor can it be proven that God doesn't exist. To think otherwise is unenlightened lunacy regardless of what the Bible may say.

However, my focus is on Zemirah's statement, "...yet the Theory of Evolution is an unarguable 'Universal Truth.'"
Here is where Zemirah's defies logic and reason with this statement. A 'theory" is a proposed explanation whose status is still conjecture [that is without sufficient evidence of proof]. Darwin's Theory of Evolution hardly qualifies as a Universal Truth! Many people deny different aspects of Darwin's Theory because there are many things, well-documented, that Darwin got wrong. Now she will claim that she is only exposing my opinion about Universal Truths.

Zemirah only has tremendous disdain for the intellect of anyone who disagrees. The absurdity of her premises never leads to syllogistic reasoning and the outcome is denigrating and disparaging vindictiveness. She does not act in what I would call a Christian-like manner, which makes me question her sincerity when she makes any claim of her own about God.
To everyone on OPP. br Earlier I stated to Zemir... (show quote)

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May 19, 2019 18:25:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
To everyone on OPP.
Earlier I stated to Zemirah that I was not going to respond to any more of her stupidiotic questions, from here on out, on this thread. She is trying to goad me into responding to her ludicrous and trivial pronouncements. One of the most facetious statements I have ever read on OPP is the one below where she tries to put words in my mouth, words I have never uttered. This is the most reprehensible and interminable means of trying to control a debate through disingenuous tactics: She resorts to ad hominem attacks against anyone who disagrees with her and charges that these people have been brainwashed. Here is what Zemirah says;

"The very existence of God is argued here continually, yet the theory of Evolution is an unarguable "Universal truth," where no one can detour from the much-traveled road of brainwashed public opinion?"

First, this thread has not been about the existence of God. Nevertheless, this cannot be proven, nor can it be proven that God doesn't exist. To think otherwise is unenlightened lunacy regardless of what the Bible may say.

However, my focus is on Zemirah's statement, "...yet the Theory of Evolution is an unarguable 'Universal Truth.'"
Here is where Zemirah's defies logic and reason with this statement. A 'theory" is a proposed explanation whose status is still conjecture [that is without sufficient evidence of proof]. Darwin's Theory of Evolution hardly qualifies as a Universal Truth! Many people deny different aspects of Darwin's Theory because there are many things, well-documented, that Darwin got wrong. Now she will claim that she is only exposing my opinion about Universal Truths.

Zemirah only has tremendous disdain for the intellect of anyone who disagrees. The absurdity of her premises never leads to syllogistic reasoning and the outcome is denigrating and disparaging vindictiveness. She does not act in what I would call a Christian-like manner, which makes me question her sincerity when she makes any claim of her own about God.
To everyone on OPP. br Earlier I stated to Zemir... (show quote)


I feel you Tucker...

Although I never question a person's sincerity when it comes to faith...
We are none of us perfect and all of us on the same journey...

Stay strong brother...

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