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May 6, 2019 11:53:08   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Then why didn't Obama take core of this, he did cut everything in the military!




Lonewolf wrote:
If we're have as smart as we say we are we should be able to figure this out!
We have no problem paying 1.5 trillion for a jet fighter but can't spend anything to help our own. .how about price control since big pharmacist can't do it.

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May 6, 2019 11:59:08   #
Lonewolf
 
bmac32 wrote:
Then why didn't Obama take core of this, he did cut everything in the military!


What's this have to do with healthcare

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May 6, 2019 12:06:04   #
fullspinzoo
 
Lonewolf wrote:
If we're have as smart as we say we are we should be able to figure this out!
We have no problem paying 1.5 trillion for a jet fighter but can't spend anything to help our own. .how about price control since big pharmacist can't do it.


$1.5 Trillion for a jet fighter(?) I'm dead set against that if it were true....if you were anywhere close to being in the ball park of accuracy. But since you are talking out of your posterior one more time. If you have proof with which you can back up, would love to see it. Unless you want to exemplify your total ignorance. Just more proof that you're not the brightest, like Biden, bulb on OPP. Maybe one taco short of a complete combo plate in honor of Cinco de Mayo, (one day late). Let's see: Obama could have bought 7 jet fighters instead of spending $10 trillion on useless projects like Obamacare, Solyndra, or the infamous $787 billion economic stimulus package that didn't work. Now that makes sense. i'd like to say you're out of your mind, but I don't want to give you too much credit. Do you have any clue as to how "dumbkopfish" you sound?

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May 6, 2019 12:16:54   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
About as much as your jet!



Lonewolf wrote:
What's this have to do with healthcare

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May 6, 2019 13:52:53   #
Richard Rowland
 
tbutkovich wrote:
I had heart failure, heart rate down to 35% capacity, body filling up with fluids, difficulty breathing, breathing like a hound just finishing a rabbit chase, wife called 911, ambulance there in 5 minutes, received nitroglycerin tablet, loaded me in ambulance, heart surgeon and staff of nine at hospital to receive me, IV’s put on me, entered Operating room in 30 minutes, procedure done in two hours, put in CCU, recovered, moved to step down unit, released, now on meds to assist my poorly functioning heart. In an emergency, we have the greatest access and care in the world. Why would the voters want to change that?

Answer: It’s not to improve the health care delivery system, it’s simply a money grab. A politically contrived single payer plan being sold to voters to scam the taxpayers money and get more control over your rights to obtain and access proper care for you and your loved ones.
I had heart failure, heart rate down to 35% capaci... (show quote)


I can't imagine a four or five-hour wait for an ambulance. However, I don't have a clue about other areas, but where I live, if ya can manage to dial 9-11, the cavalry is on its way. I suffered a life-threatening injury some years ago, within minutes after dialing 9-11, both an ambulance and rescue helicopter were at the scene.

First responders are truly angels in disguise. I'd pay double the tax rate or more to retain this service if funding ever became an issue. I don't know about anyone else, but as far as I'm concerned, first responders provide a service that's truly unmatched.

And, no, I haven't forgotten the hospital doctors and nursing staff, wonderful as they are, ya have to get to the hospital first. tubtkovich asks, why would anyone want to change that? That's a good question!

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May 6, 2019 14:25:23   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
bmac32 wrote:
Some prices have already dropped. 4 years ago my monthly bill for drugs was $68 (without Medicare it would have been $400 or so without Medicare) now I pay nothing.


wow your doing good my patches here my cost 119.00 just one of my b/p med here is almost 300.00 A MONTH they want me to pay 182.00 that one I buy from Canada get 3mo for 192 the rest isn't too bad all together around 200.0 month if I stop working it would be unaffordable

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May 6, 2019 15:16:11   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I have four drugs and pay nothing now. When my wife was alive she had one from Canada, 6 months supply was $300 but if bought here was damn near $300 a month. I know I'm damn lucky Medicare covers them all.



bggamers wrote:
wow your doing good my patches here my cost 119.00 jus t one of my b/p med here is almost 300.00 A MONTH they want me to pay 182.00 that one I buy from Canada get 3mo for 192 the rest isn't too bad all together around 200.0 month if I stop working it would be unaffordable

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May 6, 2019 15:52:28   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
bmac32 wrote:
I have four drugs and pay nothing now. When my wife was alive she had one from Canada, 6 months supply was $300 but if bought here was damn near $300 a month. I know I'm damn lucky Medicare covers them all.


I'm hoping I can retire sometime next year so have to get down to finding really good supplement to replace my job benefits yuk

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May 6, 2019 16:01:18   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
First I was on disability (that sucks) now am retired since 1990 and still don't like it, then my wife died and now I have no idea what to do.



bggamers wrote:
I'm hoping I can retire sometime next year so have to get down to finding really good supplement to replace my job benefits yuk

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May 6, 2019 16:20:47   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
bmac32 wrote:
First I was on disability (that sucks) now am retired since 1990 and still don't like it, then my wife died and now I have no idea what to do.


help with animal rescue or be a foster.Me I have started gardening and am hoping to redo my back yard so can have small veggie garden also go to lunches with a few friends GO BOWLING I'm a lousy bowler but I have a lot of fun.I have dogs they are patient and listen to me complain like they know what I'm saying one of them just looks at me like I have a screw loose which might not be wrong

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May 6, 2019 21:09:23   #
Master
 
I just had the same type of treatment with Medicare and didn't need to worry about large deductible or co-pay. There were 7 medical people in my room at one time before I was moved to Intensive Care.

When I was a school administrator we had a Spanish teacher from Spain. When she had to have surgery she decided it would be less expensive to fly back to Spain and have it done, even though she had health insurance through the school.

It's a proven fact that people in the US spend twice as much on health care as people in other countries and much of the time they receive worse results. The fact that you had a good experience doesn't really prove much.

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May 6, 2019 21:12:45   #
Master
 
How can you say the stimulus package didn't work? We would have gone into a world wide depression had we sat back and done nothing. Wake up man!

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May 6, 2019 21:18:36   #
fullspinzoo
 
Master wrote:
How can you say the stimulus package didn't work? We would have gone into a world wide depression had we sat back and done nothing. Wake up man!


NWR not worth a response!

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May 6, 2019 21:24:57   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Master wrote:
I just had the same type of treatment with Medicare and didn't need to worry about large deductible or co-pay. There were 7 medical people in my room at one time before I was moved to Intensive Care.

When I was a school administrator we had a Spanish teacher from Spain. When she had to have surgery she decided it would be less expensive to fly back to Spain and have it done, even though she had health insurance through the school.

It's a proven fact that people in the US spend twice as much on health care as people in other countries and much of the time they receive worse results. The fact that you had a good experience doesn't really prove much.
I just had the same type of treatment with Medicar... (show quote)


School administrator for which grades?
An interesting job...

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May 7, 2019 07:22:46   #
MarvinSussman
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, h... (show quote)


DEFICIT SPENDING IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR PROSPERITY

Imagine two neighboring nations, each trading only with the other. Their mutual trade balances, equal but of opposite sign, sum to zero. A third nation joining the pair would have a trade balance with each, equal but of opposite sign, so that the three trade balances must also sum to zero. Now, consider as three separate accounting entities “trading” only with each other: our federal government, the foreign sector, and our domestic private sector, in which state and community governments function economically as ordinary private firms that serve paying consumers. The sum of these three “trade” balances exactly equaling zero gives us (after algebraic manipulation) the following valid equation:

Annual Federal Budget Deficit = Annual Trade Deficit + Annual Domestic Private Net Savings

showing that our consumption (a prime correlate of trade deficit) and our savings, both the definition, cause, and measure of our prosperity, vary directly with our Annual Federal Budget Deficit. Hence, our prosperity varies directly with Congress’ Deficit Spending, more accurately named: After-Tax Savings.

So, how can we maximize the quantity of money entering Private Savings Accounts? To maximize prosperity, we must maximize Deficit Spending, which needs maximization of Congressional Spending (created out of thin air!), which needs minimization of inflation, which needs maximization of discretionary income tax revenue combined with minimization of non-discretionary income tax revenue, a combination which needs steeply progressive tax brackets.

Such vastly increased Congressional Spending (on much-needed Federal Infrastructure!) would vastly increase After-Tax Savings (trumping any increased tax revenue!), Private Bank Accounts, Private Real Assets, and cash for Private Equity (corporate stock) and Private Debt (corporate and municipal bonds). Prosperity would be as rampant as after workers cashed in the War Bonds that were financed by huge deficit spending during World War II!

Deficit Spending creates Federal Debt as an accounting gimmick* that avoids upsetting the Fed’s bank reserves and its important federal fund interest rate but scares deficit hawks. That scare can be avoided by a better gimmick: have the Fed buy the debt directly from the Treasury. Starve the bond vigilantes!

Maximum prosperity also needs minimum money outflow from Private Bank Accounts via fees and taxes paid to state and community governments for Privately-Owned Infrastructure. Since any infrastructure failure can affect defense, Congress, responsible for defense, should pay for all infrastructure! Just as Federal Infrastructure is financed exclusively by Congress, so can it also pay for state and community Infrastructure (even pot-holes!) and all the federal trust funds, eliminating payroll taxes! With such payments, Congress would eliminate Municipal Bonds and stop taxing state and community residents who, forever renting Privately-Owned Infrastructure, pay more than double the construction costs.

Unburdened from those expenses, domestic private wealth and prosperity would surge to new heights. Voters must now tell Congress: maximize Congressional Spending and pay for all of our infrastructure!

*http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/can-taxes-and-bonds-finance-government-spending
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