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May 6, 2019 06:39:53   #
Richard Rowland
 
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.

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May 6, 2019 07:03:52   #
Kevyn
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, h... (show quote)


Every first world nation except the US has adopted a form of universal health care and in almost every instance it has yielded better results and in every instance the cost is significantly less than the system of health care in the United States. The real question to ask yourself is if it is such a failure why hasn’t a single nation with such a system repealed it?

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May 6, 2019 07:10:59   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, h... (show quote)


I personally would like to see big Pharma, doctors, and suppliers take an income hit.
While we were looking away, their wages have grown astronomically making it
impossible to seek medical aid on most families income.
I'm on the ropes about single payer, but something needs to be done about making
medical services affordable for the citizens.
By the way, Obama Care ain't the answer!
I lost more coverage through Obama Care just so I could pay for others insurance.

SEMPER FI

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May 6, 2019 07:11:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Kevyn wrote:
Every first world nation except the US has adopted a form of universal health care and in almost every instance it has yielded better results and in every instance the cost is significantly less than the system of health care in the United States. The real question to ask yourself is if it is such a failure why hasn’t a single nation with such a system repealed it?


What first world nation(s) have adopted a successful universal health care system??

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May 6, 2019 07:16:16   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
lindajoy wrote:
What first world nation(s) have adopted a successful universal health care system??


That's a hard question. I'll have to give it some deep thought, oh, NONE!

Good morning Sunshine!

SEMPER FI

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May 6, 2019 07:16:28   #
tbutkovich
 
Watched it.

In England’s National Health Care System run by the government, the government says the ambulances have up to four hours to pick up a patient. They are having trouble meeting that criteria because they do not have enough ambulances and drivers to meet the need. They are thinking about increasing the response time to five hours. That’s what they do in government run programs. That’s what will happen with a “single payer system.”

I was in Canada and a woman who’s husband was a professional and she was just a housewife with limited education learned during a routine medical checkup that her husband had a serious life threatening heart condition which required immediate surgery. She was told by the government run system that due to the shortage of surgeons, she would have to wait 8 weeks. The women had her husband t***sported to Ford Hospital in Dearborn, Michigan, to have the surgery done and his life was saved. If she had lost her husband, she would have lost her soul mate, her way of life. As an uneducated housewife she would have had to sell her home and find an affordable place to live.

American’s who sign up for the single payer system and it becomes law will learn to regret it. England is lacking 50,000 doctors and 67,000 nurses because under the government run system the pay is so low few students are entering the profession.

Bernie Sanders, Kampala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are out there promoting the single payer government run or Medicare for all system but have no idea about the impacts it will have on the access and care of American’s. They also want to eliminate the health insurance companies a business employing over 1,000,000 workers.

The government run system will be an actuarial system where treatments will be based on your age. The senior people will be less likely to be treated than younger people, which in effect allows the government to morph into a death squad.

Once again, the Democrats will spew lies, make promises, get v**es, pass laws that destroy efficient and effective healthcare delivery systems. Why do the want this? It gives them power, control, access to the fees and payments by patients, programs they can administer where they can cut deals with big pharma, medical,providers to line their wallets and purses, and more.

Once a government run program is placed in service, it can never be cancelled, Obamacare is a case in point. Once the Democrats install the government run single payer system in place, it will remain forever. We will not be able to regenerate the former system. As the saying goes: “All the kings horses and all the kings men cannot put Humpty Dumpty back together again!”

The Democrats are appealing to the masses of ignorant v**ers to get elected and get this s**m bill on the books. Never thought I would see the day where the government would ruin our institutions from within. If these Democrats get elected into all branches of government, they will turn everything upside down. So Sad!

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May 6, 2019 07:20:53   #
Gatsby
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, h... (show quote)


Single payer health care is a suckers con game. Supplemental Medicare Insurance is already a huge
business, and growing every year. Single payer health care will reduce Medicare to "basic health care".
In the end everyone will lose, except health care providers, and insurers.

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May 6, 2019 07:27:23   #
Rose42
 
Single payer systems work well if you’re not seriously ill or if you have a doctor that will advocate for you. If not you’re not as fortunate.

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May 6, 2019 07:28:38   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, he and a guest discussed the downside of Single Payer health care. I was focused on writing an email to a friend but picked up on a few things. One was the income hit doctors would take. Another, I thought strange, is that the government now, or in the future, I didn't catch everything regarding that point, limits the number of students allowed to study medicine.

What was really troubling was hearing how they would manage cost by not treating people, and the horrendously long waits to be treated if one was allowed to receive treatment. Of course, those officials who are pushing this nonsense would have a separate system of care for them and theirs.

Unfortunately, the folks who should have been watching the program probably weren't.
Did anyone watch the Mark Liven show last night, h... (show quote)


unfortunately, the ones pushing anything don't use the same as what they push on the regular people do you honestly think any of the government people use Obama care. That piece of work cost me they doubled my payment within 3 months from 250 to 475 I had to go back to work and drop it then they hit me with my punishment for leaving and made pay 1200 for something they said I didn't have to worry about

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May 6, 2019 07:32:28   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
lindajoy wrote:
What first world nation(s) have adopted a successful universal health care system??


only success they want domination and elimination of course lindajoy and a good morning to you

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May 6, 2019 07:37:14   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Stories like this are extremely common...
Sadly....

A mother in Nova Scotia, Canada living with cancer is challenging Premier Stephen McNeil to meet with her after a years-long battle with the province's health-care system.

In an emotional video posted to her Facebook page this week, Inez Rudderham said she went undiagnosed for two years because she couldn't access a family doctor. By the time she was diagnosed, her anal cancer had progressed to its third stage.

"I dare you to take a meeting with me, and explain to me, and look into my eyes and tell me that there is no health-care crisis in my province of Nova Scotia," said Rudderham, 33, as she wiped away tears.

"I dare you."

Rudderham said she was turned away from emergency departments three times before her concerns were taken seriously.

"I fought for my life," said Rudderham, who said radiation treatments on her pelvis has left her "barren and infertile."

"At 33, I am in menopause because when my tumour was a polyp I did not have access to a family doctor and the ERs wouldn't help me."

Rudderham also spoke about mental-health services in Nova Scotia.

She said she began pursuing mental-health services in January to help her cope with her diagnosis. She said she will have to wait until the summer to receive counselling.

"This is the face of the health-care crisis in Nova Scotia. I cannot receive help for trauma that I experienced because of this failed system until July," she said.

"What about my four-year-old daughter who doesn't have me there, fully, because I need help and I'm not receiving it?"

Experience is all too common: Doctors Nova Scotia

Tim Holland, the president of Doctors Nova Scotia, said this isn't the first time he's heard this kind of story.

He said Rudderham's experience has all of the elements of the problems Nova Scotians are facing in the health-care system.

"Lack of a family physician, having to access emergency department services for health care — knowing full well that those emergency departments aren't equipped to be diagnosing cancer like this, and are also stretched thin themselves," he said.

He said these challenges are being seen across the country, and said the fix is "multi-factorial": recruiting and retaining doctors and improving work environments by engaging them in important decisions and cutting back on red tape.

Response from the province

On Thursday, Premier Stephen McNeil said he has asked the Health Department to reach out to Rudderham to find out more about her situation.

He would not commit to meeting with her until he had heard back from the department.

"There are challenges in the health-care system in parts of accessing primary care. We've always acknowledged that," he said. "But we've continued to make adjustments."

Speaking with reporters following a cabinet meeting in Halifax, Health Minister Randy Delorey said staff with the Nova Scotia Health Authority have tried to make contact with Rudderham.

"I think, again, there's some very specific concerns that were being raised about an individual's personal experiences within the health-care system," said Delorey.

"I think the health authority's taking the right approach to reach out, to connect … with the individual as they do and provide opportunities."

Delorey shied away from using terms like "crisis" in reference to the province's health-care system, saying issues within the system are shared across the country.

He also said the province is making progress through new investments and programs.

"We've been focused on these efforts for the last number of years," he said. "Our focus has been on primary care and we've been seeing those improvements."

Also speaking after the meeting, Tory MLA Tim Halman said there has to be a "sense of urgency" when it comes to fixing gaps in Nova Scotia's health-care system.

"This is heartbreaking. If anyone knows my story, watching that video, I see a lot there on so many levels," he said, referencing his wife who died from cancer in 2017.

"From the perspective of an MLA, our system failed her."

Attempts to reach Rudderham for comment were unsuccessful.

'There's no stopping me'

Rudderham has been documenting her journey through Nova Scotia's health-care system since June 2018, about two weeks after she said she was diagnosed with cancer.

In the first video she posted after being diagnosed, she explained that she had been feeling unwell for about a year and that three doctors looked at her before she was given a rectal exam.

Rudderham said she used to have a family doctor but she left.

"You need to advocate for your own health," said Rudderham. "I should have started advocating for myself sooner than I did."

She also asked that people put pressure on the government instead of blaming health-care workers.

"Our doctors and our nurses are working in a system that does not support them," she said.

In a follow-up video, Rudderham said she was initially diagnosed with a colorectal tumour, and later found out the tumour was actually in her anus. She said this was a good thing because its placement would make it easier to operate.

She joked that the growth, which was initially about six inches, had been named "Arnold", before she became serious once again.

"I don't want to make it seem like I'm taking light of this, because I'm not. I know full well what I'm facing," she said.

"I can choose to see it for what it is, which is a really beautiful opportunity for me to stand up and fight a really good fight and come out on the other side however I choose to."

Rudderham added: "Because after this, there's no stopping me."


Story from the CBC...

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May 6, 2019 08:07:10   #
Master
 
Don't believe all of the nonsense people are saying about a single payer system. I am now on Medicare and I like it much better than any of the expensive health insurance plans I've had during my working years. It costs far less and with the right supplemental plan there are no deductibles or co-pays. I haven't had any more difficulty seeing doctors now than I did while on plans that were far more expensive and had worse coverage. I do believe they would need to increase the amounts paid to doctors or forgive college loans. Medicare for all would benefit our economy as people would have more to spend on things other than health care. Medicare isn't free, but compared to private insurance it seems like it. Try it or talk to someone using it.

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May 6, 2019 08:10:10   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
mongo wrote:
That's a hard question. I'll have to give it some deep thought, oh, NONE!

Good morning Sunshine!

SEMPER FI


We agree, none~~~

Good morning to you precious.. I hope you and family are well..

I thought if you, Arch, we wills Bahmer etc when Those tornados were rippen Texas, are you in the path of Tornado alley as some refer to it??

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May 6, 2019 08:10:23   #
TrueAmerican
 
Kevyn wrote:
Every first world nation except the US has adopted a form of universal health care and in almost every instance it has yielded better results and in every instance the cost is significantly less than the system of health care in the United States. The real question to ask yourself is if it is such a failure why hasn’t a single nation with such a system repealed it?


So if all your friends do heroin I guess you will too --- moronic ideas come from morons !!!!!!

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May 6, 2019 08:13:17   #
TrueAmerican
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Watched it.

In England’s National Health Care System run by the government, the government says the ambulances have up to four hours to pick up a patient. They are having trouble meeting that criteria because they do not have enough ambulances and drivers to meet the need. They are thinking about increasing the response time to five hours. That’s what they do in government run programs. That’s what will happen with a “single payer system.”

I was in Canada and a woman who’s husband was a professional and she was just a housewife with limited education learned during a routine medical checkup that her husband had a serious life threatening heart condition which required immediate surgery. She was told by the government run system that due to the shortage of surgeons, she would have to wait 8 weeks. The women had her husband t***sported to Ford Hospital in Dearborn, Michigan, to have the surgery done and his life was saved. If she had lost her husband, she would have lost her soul mate, her way of life. As an uneducated housewife she would have had to sell her home and find an affordable place to live.

American’s who sign up for the single payer system and it becomes law will learn to regret it. England is lacking 50,000 doctors and 67,000 nurses because under the government run system the pay is so low few students are entering the profession.

Bernie Sanders, Kampala Harris, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are out there promoting the single payer government run or Medicare for all system but have no idea about the impacts it will have on the access and care of American’s. They also want to eliminate the health insurance companies a business employing over 1,000,000 workers.

The government run system will be an actuarial system where treatments will be based on your age. The senior people will be less likely to be treated than younger people, which in effect allows the government to morph into a death squad.

Once again, the Democrats will spew lies, make promises, get v**es, pass laws that destroy efficient and effective healthcare delivery systems. Why do the want this? It gives them power, control, access to the fees and payments by patients, programs they can administer where they can cut deals with big pharma, medical,providers to line their wallets and purses, and more.

Once a government run program is placed in service, it can never be cancelled, Obamacare is a case in point. Once the Democrats install the government run single payer system in place, it will remain forever. We will not be able to regenerate the former system. As the saying goes: “All the kings horses and all the kings men cannot put Humpty Dumpty back together again!”

The Democrats are appealing to the masses of ignorant v**ers to get elected and get this s**m bill on the books. Never thought I would see the day where the government would ruin our institutions from within. If these Democrats get elected into all branches of government, they will turn everything upside down. So Sad!
Watched it. br br In England’s National Health ... (show quote)



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