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Apr 28, 2019 01:20:48   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
PJT wrote:
RT friend. Interesting and worth while post. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for your dad's service


Thank you sir.

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Apr 28, 2019 01:47:37   #
JW
 
RT friend wrote:
The ibea of racial supremacism is heinous to me, I had to work with these blokes who had such attitudes all day every day, I remember when the Catholics were told to abandon such heinous attitudes, some did but it wasn't easy for them, living with any addiction is tough, especially when the relief valve is blocked by politics

The White Australia Policy was a psychological relief valve which was taken down "gradually" starting after the war 1945.

I think because we stopped the Japanese in New Guinea when our reinforcements we were leaving Libya, - ( many Australia Soldiers were the Rats of Tubruq ) , - and going to Borneo, the ships were diverted by John Curtin, I forgot some of the story my father was a driver in the Australian Infantry Corp in Tubruk and New Guinea.

But that was a big reason why we started to change the White Australia Policy, there was a diabolical contradiction exposed, between the need we had for the natives who sided with us against the Japanese, and the way we treated them, it was the New Guinea Natives that mainly allowed our Service Men to survive in the jungle, the enemy didn't have that assistance and mostly starved.

Putting that specific history aside it could very well be a heinous wide spread attitude could resurface and create a rapproachement within a fractured society, and many people now believe that it can, but they wouldn't admit their aspirations were heinous, humm, I see the problum.

This is hypothetical , - say a really heinous attitude was resurrected and everyone agreed so there was no contradiction existing and the heinous attitude was seen as admirable but everything turned out to be BS and society collapsed, then you could certainly say a heinous social attitude was compatible with rapproachement but it didn't work out.

Thanks for the reply.
The ibea of racial supremacism is heinous to me, I... (show quote)


hei·nous
[ˈhānəs]

ADJECTIVE
(of a person or wrongful act, especially a crime) utterly odious or wicked.
"a battery of heinous crimes"

There is nothing heinous about a sense of racial superiority. It is neither odious nor is it wicked. It may be ill founded but it is an evolutionary necessity and a fundamental gregarian reality. It is an extension of the same instinctual sense, and source of security, that causes a family to bind together, a culture to band together and a nation to see itself as unique and special. It is not a bad thing in and of itself.

Like politics, religion and all other emotionally based sensibilities, it is how it is used by manipulative minds that makes it a bad thing.

There has never been and will never be a time when notable differences between people won't raise the hackles in anticipation of an unfriendly confrontation.

If we were all the same shade of brown, we would find that blue eyes were suspicious or red hair was a sign of potential trouble. Racism is not something that can be stamped out but it can be understood and we, as a species, can work with it without destroying one another. We can't do that by trying to ignore it and neither can we root it out by attempting to make it into a word that cannot be spoken aloud.

We can control the instinctive distrust, minimize our reaction to apparent differences by all adopting the same public culture. That won't make it go away but it will make it manageable. It is not some mystical affectation unique to the USA that has allowed people from the world over to live together peaceably here. It is the simple reality of the mandated adherence to the overriding push to cultural assimilation... the American dream. Our elementary education used to be focused on the flag, the fact that anyone can grow up to be President and everyone is welcome to call himself or herself an American, and do so with a pride earned by previous generations of Americans.

As long as evil people can manipulate gullible masses, any difference is a potential problem for society. Adherence to the same social standards and cultural mores will go a long way toward taking the power away from the manipulators. It is much harder to hate people who seem to behave the same as we do and value the same things we value.

By attaching emotionally loaded pejoratives to racism, such as heinous, only makes it seem far more important that it is.

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Apr 28, 2019 06:09:41   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
JW wrote:
hei·nous
[ˈhānəs]

ADJECTIVE
(of a person or wrongful act, especially a crime) utterly odious or wicked.
"a battery of heinous crimes"

There is nothing heinous about a sense of racial superiority. It is neither odious nor is it wicked. It may be ill founded but it is an evolutionary necessity and a fundamental gregarian reality. It is an extension of the same instinctual sense, and source of security, that causes a family to bind together, a culture to band together and a nation to see itself as unique and special. It is not a bad thing in and of itself.

Like politics, religion and all other emotionally based sensibilities, it is how it is used by manipulative minds that makes it a bad thing.

There has never been and will never be a time when notable differences between people won't raise the hackles in anticipation of an unfriendly confrontation.

If we were all the same shade of brown, we would find that blue eyes were suspicious or red hair was a sign of potential trouble. Racism is not something that can be stamped out but it can be understood and we, as a species, can work with it without destroying one another. We can't do that by trying to ignore it and neither can we root it out by attempting to make it into a word that cannot be spoken aloud.

We can control the instinctive distrust, minimize our reaction to apparent differences by all adopting the same public culture. That won't make it go away but it will make it manageable. It is not some mystical affectation unique to the USA that has allowed people from the world over to live together peaceably here. It is the simple reality of the mandated adherence to the overriding push to cultural assimilation... the American dream. Our elementary education used to be focused on the flag, the fact that anyone can grow up to be President and everyone is welcome to call himself or herself an American, and do so with a pride earned by previous generations of Americans.

As long as evil people can manipulate gullible masses, any difference is a potential problem for society. Adherence to the same social standards and cultural mores will go a long way toward taking the power away from the manipulators. It is much harder to hate people who seem to behave the same as we do and value the same things we value.

By attaching emotionally loaded pejoratives to racism, such as heinous, only makes it seem far more important that it is.
hei·nous br ˈhānəs br br ADJECTIVE br (of a per... (show quote)


The American Dream is very materialistic, and the symbols it comes from are Idealistic, the dream is out of sync with the flag.

Phonetics and "Gregorian reality" puts me in mind of people who believe Christ was from a wandering Aryan tribe who stopped by the Galilee sea, but this is not true, if it was accepted as fundamentally true with archeological and linguistic proof would these people who initiated the then proven true belief be given an opportunity to become the standard bearers of appearance, colloquia, dress, and attitudes?.

I doubt it, even the Gregorian Calender is wrong, when we get to the year 4909 we will be one whole day ahead of the solar year.

Systems have always failed man and instinct couldn't have come from failure.

Teleology failed as a discipline because they couldn't define instinct, certainly they said it related to purpose that has no cause therefore our subliminally originated actions must have been designed without purpose except for personal metabolistic bodily functions only, which we attach mentally in order to associat with others to lessen the pain and increase the pleasure by working together.

So that's now politics taken from our disciplined subjects of communication, some ideas emanating from these established arrangements are good for pleasure and some are bad, the greatest good for the greatest number Jeremy Bentham.

Some instinctive behaviour I think is still current that was biologically founded over 2 million years ago but which ones, and why are they still with us ? that's what Teleology couldn't decipher.

Biological diversity is good but it's not the result of politics and so can't be maintained by politics if it has to be protected by unending violance, how could that be the greatest good, and it's seperate from ethical behaviour, you can't tie any kind of ethics up to segregation based on biological characteristics associated with race, that is, if emerging demographics are certain to win because we have to work together for the greater good and all these people of different origins are already here.

Assimilation is only ideas about the best common interest achieving mass acceptance, manipulators spread ideas that are tested to see if are they common good or not, apartheid is common for some but others are bound to object, Trump has turned the US into a racial experiment involving a big part of the world his only real valuable racial alli so far is Macron.


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Apr 28, 2019 07:10:23   #
srburnel
 
I just read that Wildwood's mayor wants KS's statue. It would be a wonderful addition to the Woods.
For those who don't know where this is, Wildwood, NJ. A place stuck in time.


Bring on Kate.


KS will live and the Flyers will pay the price. This will make many people mad.

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Apr 28, 2019 08:26:41   #
PJT
 
Every instance like this evil assault on Kate Smith and her classic song,God Bless America" further drives hatred and impenetrable ill-logic to the point of almost no return. When has the left ever admitted they were wrong?
Considering the mainstream media is totally vlcorrupted: considering "journalism" is all but dead; consider our colleges and universities and lower education institutions have turned away from traditional values; considering one party welcomes immigrants who don't care about being Americans but are a source of votes; considering that huge group of "independent voters won't rise up and oppose political correctness and leftwing socialism;
I'm fast coming to the conclusion that we are...and should be...heading to revolution and civil war. Which may be our nation's only hope for salvation of the greatest form of government and freedom the world has ever known.

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Apr 28, 2019 10:46:20   #
TrueAmerican
 
RT friend wrote:
Good point, the Black and White Minstrel Show was on TV for 21 years till 1978, that's nothing, during the war in New Guinea a black man would be lynched by Australian Troops if caugh in possession of a lured magazine featuring semi naked or naked white chicks, I know for a fact that did happen.

The Black and White Minstrel Show was white chicks being seduced in dance by black studs.

The Black and White Minstrel Show actually ended the White Australia Policy which began in 1901, ended by an outcry from women who wanted to get their hands on black studs.

It's best the statue come down.

Good point, the Black and White Minstrel Show was ... (show quote)


How does one become so ignorant at your age (whatever it maybe) !!!!!!

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Apr 28, 2019 10:47:46   #
TrueAmerican
 
RT friend wrote:
Those old hang ups can be debated I guess, but you take even the post about the Redskins which is giving technical legitimacy to the massacres of indigenous people, no one knows or is interested in the information about certain personalities, the Club's Name lives on and the old timers fade away people will always know why the Indians were called redskins.

The name redskin is a glorification of genocide.

Same with "the cotton needed Picken and the blackies was born to pick it" or whatever, it's that what gets remembered, same as The Black and White Minstrel Show, why not have black chicks and white men, obviously because that would imply violance not romance, the idea of the white chicks and black men was a deliberate slap in the face to Australians who would get fired up about seeing a black man holding hands with a white girl, but the message got lost and was not really needed by the 1980's.


Your point about sarcastic messaging to change opinions is the same thing, in a way it's true but can be seen from the other angle even more truthfully reinforcing stereotypes that are detrimental and a threat going back to those attitudes is real.

I made it plain in my post that part of our history yours and mine needs to be forgotten, our culture is better at moving on, than yours, because we don't glorify violance and seek self gratification by authoritian chest beating, this Trump thing excluding Muslim Nations from green card and other stuff follows Obama's exceptionalism plugging up white supremely as a black man went down well in Europe, but that's all being rolled back, the past wasn't good, it's just looked good, if the past had the problums been have in the present we wouldn't be here today.

Thanks for the reply.
Those old hang ups can be debated I guess, but you... (show quote)


TOTAL stupidity !!!!!!

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Apr 28, 2019 11:23:04   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
JimMe wrote:
I think what people are doing to Kate Smith is wrong, Wrong, WRONG...
The songs she sang back in the 1930's were done for a show that satired White Supremacy...
To defame her because people in the 21st Century do not have the sense to see the actual reasons for her singing those songs is sad...
Shame on teams for banning her rendition of "God Bless America" in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...
Shame on people looking to ban her statue that is recognizing her in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...
Shame on networks supporting banning her contributions in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...
I think what people are doing to Kate Smith is wro... (show quote)


My wife and I were talking about this subject again last night and were curious to know what patriotic music is appropriate now for use at Progressive rallies. They can't use Lee Greenwood's, "God Bless the USA" and now, God Bless America is out. If they played the National Anthem some would take a knee and the remainder would stay seated. I suppose Gangsta Rap is the most apropos.

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Apr 28, 2019 11:34:40   #
bahmer
 
padremike wrote:
My wife and I were talking about this subject again last night and were curious to know what patriotic music is appropriate now for use at Progressive rallies. They can't use Lee Greenwood's, "God Bless the USA" and now, God Bless America is out. If they played the National Anthem some would take a knee and the remainder would stay seated. I suppose Gangsta Rap is the most apropos.


Amen and Amen good one and spot on.

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Apr 28, 2019 11:56:18   #
Carol Kelly
 
PJT wrote:
Kate Smith sang "God Bless America".
Suddenly the politically correct crowd...Democrats...want to destroy her by advocating "God Damn America"!


Agreed! While statues are coming down, why not that ugly enormous statue of Martin Luther King. He was a black hero, but he was many other less wonderful things. Meantime, leave Kate Smith alone. She was a patriotic American mountain of a woman with a beautiful voice and should be remembered as such. She didn’t try to change anything, just sing gloriously with her God given voice.

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Apr 28, 2019 11:58:16   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
[quote=JimMe][I]n knee-jerk-reaction fashion...[/quote]
Ah, the court of public opinion. No rules, no rationale, just pronouncements. And invariably wrong.

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Apr 28, 2019 12:10:55   #
biker99man
 
Indians are told to be offended. That is all to it. Crazy.

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Apr 28, 2019 12:51:17   #
PJT
 
The political correctness movement is the start of this whole modern socialist and hate filled era we live in.
We should have resisted from the start...say calling those gals on airplanes STEWARDESSES. Withhold tips if those who "serve" want to be called WAITSTAFF. Later, insist one is a he or she maybe except for serious sex changes. And boys serve on boys teams and girls on girls.
Just think how many gold medals US of Socialist A could win at Olympics if he/shes could play on female basketball, track and wrestling events. US of SA! US of SA! US of SA!

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Apr 28, 2019 12:58:43   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
The song was also performed by Paul Robeson in his beautiful, rich, unmistakably black, basso profundo voice. Yes it was meant to be a satire and should be understood in its context. If there are any statues, paintings or memorabilia of him around, they should be removed also. He attended Rutgers University, so there might be some there. Let's see if New Jersey's governor, Philip Murphy does it. He just ordered Mississippi's stae flag removed from a park because it has a Confederate flag in a corner.


And just FYI, Robeson was a lifelong, unrepentant, committed communist.

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Apr 28, 2019 13:43:23   #
PJT
 
Paul Robson was a communist so its ok. Only anti- or non-communists are to be vilified. A study of the Soviet Union will show how most of the founding members of the Russian Revolution were liquidated, and dissenters were either executed or got free trips to the Gulags.
So I advise independents and normally loyal Democrats to consider this in the 2020 election.
If the socialist/communist wing of the Democratic Party win the presidency and the Senate there will be no turning back.
They've already announced several planks in their platform on how to achieve perpetual lower: revamp or delete the Electoral College:
Imprisoned convicts and convicted felons be allowed to vote; legal and ILLEGAL aliens get the vote; open borders welcoming more illegals to increase that vote; opposition to voters having to show I.d.s at the polls; registration on election day which eliminates checks to eligibility; rules like in CA where individuals can collect and turn in bundles of registrations and also absentee ballots.
Wake up, Americans!
Trump haters, including never-Trumpers and delicate wimpy independents who don't like TRUMP'S demeanor cannot stop the downfall of America and rise of a soviet America.

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