JimMe

I think what people are doing to Kate Smith is wrong, Wrong, WRONG...
The songs she sang back in the 1930's were done for a show that satired W***e S*******y...
To defame her because people in the 21st Century do not have the sense to see the actual reasons for her singing those songs is sad...
Shame on teams for banning her rendition of "God Bless America" in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...
Shame on people looking to ban her statue that is recognizing her in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...
Shame on networks supporting banning her contributions in knee-jerk-reaction fashion...

JW

debeda

AGREE

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Good point, the Black and White Minstrel Show was on TV for 21 years till 1978, that's nothing, during the war in New Guinea a black man would be lynched by Australian Troops if caugh in possession of a lured magazine featuring semi naked or naked white chicks, I know for a fact that did happen.

The Black and White Minstrel Show was white chicks being seduced in dance by black studs.

The Black and White Minstrel Show actually ended the White Australia Policy which began in 1901, ended by an outcry from women who wanted to get their hands on black studs.

It's best the statue come down.

flash

Lots of things are taken out of context because people are too ignorant or lazy to study history. Take the Washington Redskins for instance. They got the name Redskins to honor there head coach who just happened to be a souix Indian. There are many more.....

Richard Rowland

Could you explain what Kate Smith's statue has to do with women wanting to get there hands on black studs? Perhaps the statue's outstretched hand is a sign she's attempting to grab one.

flash

Maybe it's just to see if ANYBODY has one big enough to fill the hand.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Those old hang ups can be debated I guess, but you take even the post about the Redskins which is giving technical legitimacy to the massacres of indigenous people, no one knows or is interested in the information about certain personalities, the Club's Name lives on and the old timers fade away people will always know why the Indians were called redskins.

The name redskin is a glorification of genocide.

Same with "the cotton needed Picken and the b*****es was born to pick it" or wh**ever, it's that what gets remembered, same as The Black and White Minstrel Show, why not have black chicks and white men, obviously because that would imply violance not romance, the idea of the white chicks and black men was a deliberate slap in the face to Australians who would get fired up about seeing a black man holding hands with a white girl, but the message got lost and was not really needed by the 1980's.


Your point about sarcastic messaging to change opinions is the same thing, in a way it's true but can be seen from the other angle even more t***hfully reinforcing stereotypes that are detrimental and a threat going back to those attitudes is real.

I made it plain in my post that part of our history yours and mine needs to be forgotten, our culture is better at moving on, than yours, because we don't glorify violance and seek self gratification by authoritian chest beating, this Trump thing excluding Muslim Nations from green card and other stuff follows Obama's exceptionalism plugging up white supremely as a black man went down well in Europe, but that's all being rolled back, the past wasn't good, it's just looked good, if the past had the problums been have in the present we wouldn't be here today.

Thanks for the reply.

American Vet

I made it plain in my post that part of our history yours and mine needs to be forgotten

Forget history and you are doomed to repeat it. Your comment fits in quite well with "1984".

PJT

Kate Smith sang "God Bless America".
Suddenly the politically correct crowd...Democrats...want to destroy her by advocating "God Damn America"!

bahmer

Amen and Amen

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Hahaha it's not your thread, so you don't count, anyhow I thought of something important, you don't want a reply and I'm not surprised considering what I just thought, which was, if I remember correctly, it's a question.

Can you tell me one instance where the agreements that cause unity were reconstructed by nostalgia and then led to a cultural rapprochement.

And it doesn't even have to be heinous agreements, there could be some, I can't think of any, my theory is that old agreements become boring and we reject them because we only love novelty which I don't say is necessarily a good thing either.

Richard Rowland

Rapprochement and heinous? Doesn't seem compatible.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

The ibea of racial supremacism is heinous to me, I had to work with these blokes who had such attitudes all day every day, I remember when the Catholics were told to abandon such heinous attitudes, some did but it wasn't easy for them, living with any addiction is tough, especially when the relief valve is blocked by politics

The White Australia Policy was a psychological relief valve which was taken down "gradually" starting after the war 1945.

I think because we stopped the Japanese in New Guinea when our reinforcements we were leaving Libya, - ( many Australia Soldiers were the Rats of Tubruq ) , - and going to Borneo, the ships were diverted by John Curtin, I forgot some of the story my father was a driver in the Australian Infantry Corp in Tubruk and New Guinea.

But that was a big reason why we started to change the White Australia Policy, there was a diabolical contradiction exposed, between the need we had for the natives who sided with us against the Japanese, and the way we treated them, it was the New Guinea Natives that mainly allowed our Service Men to survive in the jungle, the enemy didn't have that assistance and mostly starved.

Putting that specific history aside it could very well be a heinous wide spread attitude could resurface and create a rapproachement within a fractured society, and many people now believe that it can, but they wouldn't admit their aspirations were heinous, humm, I see the problum.

This is hypothetical , - say a really heinous attitude was resurrected and everyone agreed so there was no contradiction existing and the heinous attitude was seen as admirable but everything turned out to be BS and society collapsed, then you could certainly say a heinous social attitude was compatible with rapproachement but it didn't work out.

Thanks for the reply.

PJT

RT friend. Interesting and worth while post. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for your dad's service