Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Obviously you have no clue what the "sovereign state" movement is, I am guessing you don't know ANY militia men then as many of them nut jobs also tend to be "sovereign staters" as well.
Then my misunderstanding, but that wasn’t exactly how you framed your original statement. Had you said they were part of the “movement” I would have understood a little better what you were saying. But you’re right, I’m not deeply knowledgeable about this “movement” I read about it years ago and just dismissed it as a fringe group, not giving it much attention. Statehood is just another term for citizenship, and as each individual US citizen is sovereign I didn’t put it together that you were talking about the “movement”. Again, my misunderstanding.
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When you claim sovereign statehood, you are renouncing your U.S. citizenship and do your best to stop paying taxes and stop registering your vehicle or renewing your license. I am not sure if anyone ever succeeds at actually severing themselves from the U.S. and what will actually happen if the U.S. accepts your sovereignty but there are no shortages of nut jobs that try to server their citizenship and don't seem to realize that if they succeed, they will still be subject to our laws and taxation so long as they remain in our country.
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Yes, that’s about the extent of my knowledge concerning the movement. Never gave it much consideration.
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I mis-spoke, the movement seems to call themselves "sovereign citizens", whatever, many so called militia men also claim sovereignty as well.
Thank you for clarifying, though even had you used this term, I probably would have still misunderstood where you were coming from.
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Interestingly enough, those I met didn't seem to have anything against money but then maybe they aren't "kosher sovereign citizens".
Just to be clear, I wasn’t calling you a liar, I have no way of disproving your experience. I was simply objecting to lumping all militia members as whacko nut-jobs. True there are some, no different than any other group memberships, people are individuals and everyone is different.
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How many Jewish folk do you know that will eat a bacon cheeseburger which is a double no-no as it has bacon (made from pork) and the ground beef isn't kosher either at any restaurant that I know of. For ground beef to be "kosher" it can only be taken from the front portion of the cow, nothing from the hip back.
Okay.
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Anyway you look at it, of the so called militia men I have met, I wouldn't consider a one of them fully sane and I really don't care what you think you have to say about whether you believe I know any or not, I really don't care about your opinion at all if you truly want honesty.
Okay. And yes, I always prefer honesty.
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I actually knew some of them BEFORE they joined and BEFORE they joined, they seemed a lot more "sane". I think it has to do with all the nut jobs in the groups that corrupt the minds of the newcomers. A good reason for me to avoid joining them as they have tried to get me to do in the past.
Ok, fair enough. But my position still remains, that these citizens are not doing anything that is unlawful.