BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Stop a minute, Pete. Why is this happening? The cause may be very significant!



Who says this? I have a difference of opinion. Not to say plenty of illegal immigrants aren't here for the sincere desire to help their families back home. I've seen it since I was a child in Perris, CA 40 years ago when elementary school kids were bringing guns to school...no shit. I had one pulled on me. Didn't impress me as much then as it does now. A kid who burglarized our house pulled a chain on me just before we went out for recess so, thinking as I do, I yanked it from his hand and gave it to the kid next to me before I kicked his ass in front of God, the teacher and everyone. Got suspended for three days and privately commended by the principal at the same time. Trip...even for me!

Won't mention the kid's name or where he was from for your sake but later, in the 7th grade I was overrun by a gang whose origin I won't mention for your sake.

Not only did they not hurt me, I later sought one of them out who I recognized and settled the matter between the two of us in a way that left us all resecting each other. I didn't hurt him when he was alone, in my power and everyone with something to say about it knew so.

This is an art a blowhard know nothing could never fathom...much less understand. Kept me from getting killed in prison but I did have to put it on the line...once. I proved my point.

My experience is probably not much like yours. Nuff said.



Ya...that and some well-heeled folks are paying them to come here and cause those kinds of problems...



Um...what exactly, just so we're clear?



And yet many, many dimes are being spent as they have been for many years.

Or do you say no?



Really? Is that what he said and will we concur???

You'll have to show me where all that gels into whatever it is you think we all think...if you follow me .

We don't really think that and I doubt he said that.



Too bad. Change your fking government the way everyone has to when they want it bad enough...from within! It's easier to come here than do that.



They're quite effective, tongue-twister.



Really? Who says so?

My opinion...we should mine the wall with special mines that go off when drugs, explosives, cash or certain pheromones are nearby. They have 'em y'know.



"So bend over and spread..."



blahblahblahblahblahblah...yawn! Let us know when come close to a point....



More than anything? Sounds like hyperbole.



Not at all. As much as your doomed idols may wish this idiocy is over. Your Democrat leaders won't be supplanting American citizens with illegals anytime soon. Wet dream. Get over it. In fact, now you're going to get voter ID. Slippery slope that, though, and NOT for the reason a shallow thinker such as yourself would imagine.



I'd give you an "F" in civics and English both, just so you know and a Z minus in truth-telling.



Meaning...?



Meaning? You're beginning to sound like a racist.



Then why the fk bring it up? None of us did.

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And you believe this sht??? You ARE a racist...and a dolt, to boot!



Now you're so racist, dumb and arrogant with your judgements only God can help you.



That's the strategy, is it, Sherlock? Keep thinking that...it takes no effort and I'm sure some right-wing assassin will make your demise painless in appreciation!



I think you haven't received the memo. I'll get our people on it.

Kevyn

The wall is a waste, the people who have the Pumpkinfuhrer’s panties in a bunch are just showing up, presenting themselves to CBP agents and requesting asylum as is clearly outlined in US immigration law. In many places where there is an existing border fence it is well within US territory so they can enter the US on the other side of the wall and request asylum even if the border is closed. The only way that this can be changed is by changing US immigration law. If Trump wanted to do this he could have when the republicans controlled both the house and senate, the fact is he doesn’t give a damn about anything but stoking the hate within his cult so he can continue to line his pockets.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Since the people seeking asylum from Middle and South America are required to go to neighboring countries to apply for asylum, and the neighboring countries, (who depend on our business), are supposed to process them and not shoot them along to our border, I'd say that the wall will be a stopping point for illegal border crossings, so says the Border Patrol...no, wait, we can't believe them just because they live and work where the action is, we need to believe someone who lives somewhere else in the US where life is smooth, who hates our president, hates the sovereignty of our nation, and loathes the rule of law. Really..??
Nope, you ARE the only one that smells dead fish where there is none.
Is the dead fish you smell because the number of illegal border crossings are at record levels and set to reach new highs?
Is the smell because the UN has written plans to add 600 million immigrants in America by 2050?
PeterS, if you had been on the Titanic as she was slipping beneath the waves, you would have said there is no crisis, that we need the ship to go down.

johnsorrell7

The wall won’t stop people from seeking asylum. It’s not intended to. But it will control who gets in and who doesn’t. We have to control the influx of the now jumping fences and crossing our borders at will. We don’t know who these people are or where they come from. They are not all Latins. The Border Patrol has been arresting hundreds of other than Latins.
The main problem we have is that an awful lot of people don’t want to control who comes into our country but let everyone in. This is stupid. If you don’t Believe in legal immigration, read up on the history of the American Indian..

debeda

They are NOT legally seeking asylum. To legally seek asylum it must be done in the country of the first border crossed. Mexico offered asylum. They refused. They are economic opportunists.

debeda

Oh shoot i said the same before getting to your reply.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Simple answer, it won't. Those seeking asylum, or simply a better life, are always welcome at legally controlled points of entry. That always was and always will be. If you believe differently then you have been misled. So why build a wall? Well...

Control of our borders is required for national security. Without controlling the border, we have no idea who is coming and going, and what their motivations are.

We need to reduce the amount of illegal drugs that are being transported over the southern border, preferably to zero. This is not achieved with cameras and motion sensors. It requires a formidable physical barrier.

We need to reduce the influx of low skill illegal immigrants that are driving US wages down, taking jobs that normally would be performed by US citizens. Note the caveat - illegal. Don't confuse a new member of our society with someone sneaking in and helping themselves behind our backs.

The massive influx of illegal immigrants across the southern border is significantly increasing the costs to provide education, medical services and law enforcement. There's that word illegal again.

The wall would help reduce the amount of drug related lawlessness on both sides of the border. No drugs, no cartels. No cartels, better sleep at night.

The border agents are currently over-whelmed. The wall would reduce the flow to allow them to concentrate on the fewer illegal immigrants that do make it past the wall. This last one is kind of the point. The crush of illegal immigrants at our borders is the result of decisions taken by the Obama administration and is designed to overload the system. Classic Cloward - Piven strategy.

This whole situation can be boiled down to one simple fact. The President needs help securing the southern border. That help comes in the form of a border wall that will mitigate the flow of illegal activities both human and criminal across the southern border, freeing up border patrol agents to process legal immigrants whether they be refugees or not.

Those in positions of power who oppose the building of this structure do so for their own reasons that they are not being honest about. They call it a 'symbol'. No, it is not. It is a tool, used to augment the efforts of our law enforcers along the length of the border. They call it 'Trump's wall', as if it was his idea, when the laws and appropriations go back to the Clinton administration. Was it a 'symbol' then, too?

moldyoldy

That only applied to EU countries, to prevent multiple applications of asylum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

moldyoldy

How do those low wage workers steal our jobs? It seems that going after those employers would stop the problem in no time. But we can not make businesses do the right thing, it is better to waste money on a wall.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Good day to you, Peter.. I hope all is well and you are in good health...

From what I understand under the new policy being considered all asylum seekers who are turned back to Mexico will receive a notice informing them of their right to be heard in United States immigration court after 45 days.....

For far too long, our immigration system has been exploited by smugglers, drugs and guns, terrorists and those with no legal right to be in the United States..Asylum is the new catch all to try and get in.. Some valid, most not..

Do you know that under the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the new policy can be enforced immediately without congressional approval?? Why?? Because it follows the laws on the books but for so long ignored..

There is a crisis and there is invasion being attempted.. Let the illegals go through the same process many immigrants went through to achieve citizenship.. Not just leave their country forcing themselves in.. Truly they should be rebelling in their own countries to gain their civil rights an betreated fairly.. I’m sure we could do better helping them in their own country where they would prefer to be..And no, I’m not talking war...

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Hey PeterS! So you think walls don’t work? Here is something you MUST do to demonstrate it, wherever you live.

You have to take down all fences and walls around your home. Then, you have to remove all the locks and security devices from all the doors, windows and entry points. You then have to leave your car unlocked with the key in the ignition. You also must make sure that all your valuables (jewelry, precious metals, money, collectibles, etc.) are not stored in any secured manner.


Do this for three months to demonstrate to the world the effectiveness of walls, etc. at the borders of our country. Then please let us know about the experience. If you expect to convince anyone, especially those on OPP, you MUST do this.

Simple challenge to a simple question. Failure to respond is NOT acceptable. This is simple valid and analogous challenge.

Does anyone else agree?

debeda

Absolutely. All dems, particularly those in Congress, should do this to prove one and for all that barriers don't work, have no purpose and are a waste of money IMO

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Some more info to consider deb~~Now they are saying Mexico is also too dangerous to seek asylum..

As a signatory of the 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees, Mexico is obligated to protect people who are outside of their country and afraid to return due to a well-founded fear of persecution based on religion, race, nationality or membership to a particular social or political group...

The United States is also a signatory. And while Mexico is required to offer protection for refugees under international law, migrants have no obligation to request it there. If migrants like those traveling in the caravan that began in Honduras want to seek asylum in the United States, they have the right to try, says Doris Meissner, the director of the U.S. Immigration Policy Program at the Migration Policy Institute

“We do have an obligation as a country under international law to allow people to apply for protection, even if they have come through another country,” Meissner tells TIME.

The exception is if there is a “safe third country” agreement in place.

Under U.S. immigration law, the the United States can deny asylum if a person can be returned to a country where their life or freedom is not in danger, but only if the U.S. has entered into a bilateral or multilateral agreement that codifies the arrangement.

The U.S. and Canada have such an agreement. It says that people must seek refugee status in the first country they arrive in—either the U.S. or Canada—but there are some exceptions for cases of family reunification.

Read here for more~~ plenty to it with lots of legal interpretation or misinterpretations made.. Convoluted to say the least...

Also the UN back tracked when Trump started the Border wall, crisis, invasion issues too... They don’t care for him given how he has limited our involvement with the UN, that shouldn’t even be, in my opinion...

https://www.google.com/amp/time.com/5431447/donald-trump-threat-turn-back-caravan-migrants-not-legal/%3famp=true

debeda

Well, the US is not safe either. We can make a path through California, Oregon and Washington state to see them safely to Canada

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I just sent this answer to PeterS, Kevyncommissar. The same thing applies to you. After the three months, tell us your experience.





Hey PeterS! So you think walls don’t work? Here is something you MUST do to demonstrate it, wherever you live.

You have to take down all fences and walls around your home. Then, you have to remove all the locks and security devices from all the doors, windows and entry points. You then have to leave your car unlocked with the key in the ignition. You also must make sure that all your valuables (jewelry, precious metals, money, collectibles, etc.) are not stored in any secured manner.


Do this for three months to demonstrate to the world the effectiveness of walls, etc. at the borders of our country. Then please let us know about the experience. If you expect to convince anyone, especially those on OPP, you MUST do this.

Does anyone else agree?