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Feb 26, 2019 12:41:09   #
zillaorange
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
What are you smoking to actually think this was anything but a typo? Get real.

You have zero clue about my loyalties. And to be honest, I just think you are too ignorant.


My apologies ! I figured you were being sarcastic, when what looks like a new senario has arisen. Again, sorry, I should not assume.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:41:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
buffalo wrote:
Let’s think back to 1990. Back then, as the old Cold war ended, progressives quite rightly enthused about the so-called ‘peace dividend’. Taxpayer money wasted on weapons could now be spent on more worthwhile things such as hospitals, health CARE, schools, infrasrtucture, etc. But NATO - unlike the Warsaw Pact - didn’t disband, on the contrary, it expanded to Russia’s borders.

Countries that didn’t want to join the NATO club were targeted with sanctions (Belarus) - or sanctions and bombing (Yugoslavia). In 1999, NATO - established as a defensive military alliance in 1949 - not only broke international law when it attacked the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, but also contravened Article One of its own constitution which states: “The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.”

What was that line in the USEUCOM report about violating numerous agreements and international law?

Russia was fine as long as it was acquiescing in all of this, but as soon as it began to stand up for itself and try and defend its own legitimate interests, the Cold War was quickly "rekindled" by the US and its NATO allies. As OpEder John Wight put it in a 2016 article on the demonization of Putin: “All this baloney about Putin having expansionist aims is an attempt to throw a smokescreen over the West’s own expansionist agenda in Eastern Europe with the goal of throwing a cordon sanitaire around Russia in pursuit of a cold war agenda.”

When the staunchly pro-US government in Georgia pounded South Ossetia in August 2008 and Russia responded to protect ethnic Russian citizens, it was Russia who was portrayed as the aggressor in the neocon media.

Likewise in Ukraine in 2014/15 when a State Department/EU “regime change” operation to topple a democratically elected pro-Russian government and replace it with a staunchly pro-US, pro-EU, anti-Russian one, took place.

What happened in eastern Ukraine and Crimea after the regime change in Kiev was not Russian aggression but the response to US/EU aggression against Russia.
Let’s think back to 1990. Back then, as the old Co... (show quote)


It is SO "about time" the truth of this all came out. The US, no matter who one's loyalty lies with, has maligned Russia for too damn long. It is time we made the "boogie man" our friend and recognised the need to unite against another world wide threat. That of radical Islam.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:48:16   #
zillaorange
 
buffalo wrote:
Let’s think back to 1990. Back then, as the old Cold war ended, progressives quite rightly enthused about the so-called ‘peace dividend’. Taxpayer money wasted on weapons could now be spent on more worthwhile things such as hospitals, health CARE, schools, infrasrtucture, etc. But NATO - unlike the Warsaw Pact - didn’t disband, on the contrary, it expanded to Russia’s borders.

Countries that didn’t want to join the NATO club were targeted with sanctions (Belarus) - or sanctions and bombing (Yugoslavia). In 1999, NATO - established as a defensive military alliance in 1949 - not only broke international law when it attacked the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, but also contravened Article One of its own constitution which states: “The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.”

What was that line in the USEUCOM report about violating numerous agreements and international law?

Russia was fine as long as it was acquiescing in all of this, but as soon as it began to stand up for itself and try and defend its own legitimate interests, the Cold War was quickly "rekindled" by the US and its NATO allies. As OpEder John Wight put it in a 2016 article on the demonization of Putin: “All this baloney about Putin having expansionist aims is an attempt to throw a smokescreen over the West’s own expansionist agenda in Eastern Europe with the goal of throwing a cordon sanitaire around Russia in pursuit of a cold war agenda.”

When the staunchly pro-US government in Georgia pounded South Ossetia in August 2008 and Russia responded to protect ethnic Russian citizens, it was Russia who was portrayed as the aggressor in the neocon media.

Likewise in Ukraine in 2014/15 when a State Department/EU “regime change” operation to topple a democratically elected pro-Russian government and replace it with a staunchly pro-US, pro-EU, anti-Russian one, took place.

What happened in eastern Ukraine and Crimea after the regime change in Kiev was not Russian aggression but the response to US/EU aggression against Russia.
Let’s think back to 1990. Back then, as the old Co... (show quote)


The reason the Russians invaded Crimea was because of their deep water bays ! Without Crimea, Russia is land locked !!!

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Feb 26, 2019 12:49:29   #
zillaorange
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It is SO "about time" the truth of this all came out. The US, no matter who one's loyalty lies with, has maligned Russia for too damn long. It is time we made the "boogie man" our friend and recognised the need to unite against another world wide threat. That of radical Islam.


Yeah, Russia's got our back !!! LOL !!!

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Feb 26, 2019 12:52:08   #
zillaorange
 
Let's not forget the development of these "hyper sonic" missiles didn't occur over night ! They've been at it for a while. This violates the anti proliferation treaty !`

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Feb 26, 2019 12:52:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zillaorange wrote:
Guess you weren't around for the 1st missile crisis, I remember it well ! I know all about M.A.D. & it has held the wolves, U. S. ,U. S. S, R. ( now Russia) & the Chinese at bay. It's a completely different situation when the Putin announces on Russian T. V. that the situation HAS ESCALATED !


How, exactly has it escalated? Perhaps in response to the leftists taking over of our world here in the US. That would scare me if I were Putin.

I find it interesting how the leftist anti-Trump democrats all declare failure when speaking of N Korea in that Trump hasn't gotten N Korea to INSTANTLY become our docile friend with naught but a bow and arrow at hand. When asked for input, virtually all countries, including S Korea, say the changes need to be implemented incrementally and gradually; no radial shifts. But look at the criticism aimed at Trump by the leftist idiots in the states. They are the same ones who continually bad mouth Putin and Russia.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:53:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zillaorange wrote:
Yeah, Russia's got our back !!! LOL !!!


They have had our back in the ME for quite a while. But for their help, ISIS would not be so beaten back as they are at this point.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:54:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zillaorange wrote:
Let's not forget the development of these "hyper sonic" missiles didn't occur over night ! They've been at it for a while. This violates the anti proliferation treaty !`


Oh yes, the "new" hypersonic" missiles. LOL! Yes, we certainly don't have any of those! LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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Feb 26, 2019 12:55:56   #
zillaorange
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
How, exactly has it escalated? Perhaps in response to the leftists taking over of our world here in the US. That would scare me if I were Putin.

I find it interesting how the leftist anti-Trump democrats all declare failure when speaking of N Korea in that Trump hasn't gotten N Korea to INSTANTLY become our docile friend with naught but a bow and arrow at hand. When asked for input, virtually all countries, including S Korea, say the changes need to be implemented incrementally and gradually; no radial shifts. But look at the criticism aimed at Trump by the leftist idiots in the states. They are the same ones who continually bad mouth Putin and Russia.
How, exactly has it escalated? Perhaps in respons... (show quote)


It's the socialist/dems that pose the biggest threat to the U. S. If civill war hapopens here, i doubt the Russians would jump at the chance.

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Feb 26, 2019 12:59:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zillaorange wrote:
The reason the Russians invaded Crimea was because of their deep water bays ! Without Crimea, Russia is land locked !!!


That and the majority there, being Russian wanted to remain Russian!

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Feb 26, 2019 13:00:18   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
zillaorange wrote:
It's the socialist/dems that pose the biggest threat to the U. S. If civill war hapopens here, i doubt the Russians would jump at the chance.


And why would they. it's not their business.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:11:40   #
zillaorange
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Oh yes, the "new" hypersonic" missiles. LOL! Yes, we certainly don't have any of those! LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!


As per James Shannon, Senior Chief U. S. Navy, there's confusion re: hyper sonic & cruise missiles (tomahawk). Both the Russians & Chinese developed these hypersonics to counter U. S. Carrier Groups Something both are sorely lacking ! You can check it yourself ! I gave you the name of the source of info.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:15:30   #
zillaorange
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And why would they. it's not their business.


You've got to be kidding ! Just as most Americans don't want escalation, just like the Russian people, It's the military/industrial complex we have to be concerned about !

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Feb 26, 2019 13:17:58   #
zillaorange
 
BBL Chores to do.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:27:33   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'll say. And thanks for not pointing out that it hasn't been 500years!


I, obviously unlike ZZZ, knew what you meant. They have been targeting us as we have them for a loooonnng time.

If one would pay attention to the actual events and not the lies and propaganda the truth is not hard to discern.

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