Listen Simpleton Texacan,
Think and learn Christian history and Catholic Church history.
Stop being moronic, in you're Protestant, Man-Made belief of Sola Scriptura... ("The Bible Only") From Martin Luther.
Here is your Protestant Argument;
A. Protestant Sola scriptura meant, "Rejecting the infallible authority given to the Catholic Church magisterium to interpret both oral, written scripture and tradition.
B. The Liturgy is something the Catholic Church has adopted and adapted from the synagogue because of its benefit to the good order of the church, and good order in the church is a good reason to do something.
C. You can say then our position is, if it contradicts the Bible we ain’t doing it.
Similarly The Catholic Church.
Sola scriptura does not reject church at all, or that church grows and develops. It rejects, rather, those things that have come along with the church’s growth and development that contradict what’s in the Bible.
D. One such would be some of the Roman church’s ideas as to the nature and extent of its authority. And, if these are indeed contrary to Scripture, one does not reject the church, but in fact upholds it, to deny them.
E. You can say then our position is, the church has said these are the books and no other on which you can rely and on whose truths the church is built.
F. Then it quit relying on them and its truths as the norm for all else, and we simply recall the Catholic Church to fidelity to its own book e.g.the Bible, that it declares faithful to God’s truth.
I. Sola scriptura does not mean “Only Scripture”.
https://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/the-origin-of-sola-scriptura/It is a type of construction in Latin called an
"Ablative of means," a way to state the means by which an agent does an action. It is translated “by Scripture alone”.
2. It does not mean, if you have Scripture you don’t need anything else.
3. It also does not mean. If it ain’t in the Bible we ain’t doing it.
4. There are those later in the Reformation to whom it does mean that, and many in our time likewise, and we reject that.
Scripture teaches us the value of Tradition; and from Tradition we learn that all the Church’s dogmas are to be founded in the Divine Words. It’s a quite reciprocal relationship.
For 502 years Protestant sola Scriptura however,
does ignore and rejects Catholic Christian history, Catholic Oral and Written tradition's, when seeking to understand or interpreting the Bible. We have actual words, verses and books of the spoken word, of Jesus Christ's instructions, teachings, the Apostles instructions and teachings... and the Early Church Fathers instructions and teaching which has not changed from the orodox Christian Catholic Church for 1,987 years.
TexaCan, what is wrong with you ?
You do not know your Ancient Biblical Catholic Church History...
For me, that has to be the most
"Religious ignorant Christian baptist statement... I've ever heard in my life... from a baptist person of Faith.Quote TexaCan; If we stole the Sola Scriptura from your Catholic Church and it is Man-Made as you claim.Go to go this website, The Catholic Church Fathers. What Jesus, the 12 Apostles and the Church Fathers Taught and is Recorded:
https://www.churchfathers.org/the-sacrifice-of-the-mass/According to Church tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – AD 30-33) and Jesus's Catholic Church is a continuation of the early Christian community established by Jesus, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura..."
According to Catholic tradition, the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. The New Testament aren a record of Jesus' activities Instructions and teaching, his appointment of the twelve Apostles, and his instructions to them to continue his work, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura"... Nor did the 12 Apostles and the Early Church Patristic Fathers, never taught "Sola Scriptura..."
The Christian Old Testament Bible overlaps with the Hebrew Bible and the Greek Septuagint; the Hebrew Bible is known in Judaism as the Tanakh. The Christian Catholic New Testament Bible is a collection of writings by early Christians, the Gospels, and Apostle letters is believed to be mostly Jewish disciples of Christ, written in first-century Koine Greek, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura".... Nor was taught by the Ancient Catholic Church."
It is recorded in Matthew 16:18-19 that Jesus first founded his Universal Catholic Church, and gave authority, and the "Keys to his Church given to Peter and which is binding on Earth and Heaven." That the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians Acts of the Apostles 11:19-26.
Jesus promised Peter in the "Rock of My Church," Jesus's dialogue in Matthew 16:18 a special position in the Church. He is traditionally counted as the first Bishop of Rome—or pope—and also by Eastern Christian tradition as the first Patriarch of Antioch.
The Catholic Church has traditionally claimed a unique leadership role for the Apostle Peter, believed to have been named by Jesus as head of the Apostles and as a focus of their unity, who became the first Bishop of Rome, and whose successors inherited "Apostolic Succession," the role and becoming the leaders of the worldwide Universal-Catholic Church.
The history of Christianity concerns the Christian religion, Christendom, and the Church with its various denominations, from the 1st century to the present. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity spread to all of Europe in the Middle Ages, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura...."
The Christian Church originated in Roman Judea in the first century AD, founded on the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, who first gathered 12 disciples. Those disciples later became known as "Christians"; according to Scripture, Jesus commanded them to spread his teachings to all the world, and who never taught "Sola Scriptura...."
Who founded Christianity? Ancient (before AD 500)
Name Religious tradition founded Life of founder
Jesus (and the Twelve Apostles) Catholic Christianity 4 B.C, – 30/33 A.D.
Paul the Apostle Pauline Catholic Christianity 46 A.D. - martyrdom 67 A.D.
James the Just Catholic Jewish Christianity 33 A.D - martyrdom 62 or 69
What are the four pillars of the Catholic Church are: "Creed, Prayer, Sacraments, Morality." The Catechism of the Catholic Church is divided into four sections or parts.
Christian Catholic Dogmas, regulate the language, how the truth of the resurrection is to be believed and communicated. One dogma is only a small part of the Christian faith, from which it derives its meaning. A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding."
The Catholic Church bases all of its infallible teachings on sacred tradition and sacred scripture. ... A teaching of ordinary and universal Magisterium is a teaching of which all bishops (including the Pope's, Biblical Teaching) universally agree on and is also considered infallible.
Scripture and Tradition in the teaching of the Catholic Church
https://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/scripture-and-tradition-in-the-teaching-of-the-catholic-church/The Four Marks of the Catholic Church, also known as the Attributes of the Church, is a term describing four distinctive adjectives—"One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic" — of oral and written Tradition Christian ecclesiology as expressed in the Nicene - Constantinopolitan Creed completed at the First Council of Constantinople in AD 381:
Catholic Church. The Catholic Church sees the Mass or Eucharist as "the source and summit of the Christian life", to which the other sacraments are oriented. The Catholic Church believes that the Mass is exactly the same sacrifice that Jesus Christ offered on the Cross at Calvary.
The Catechism is part of the Catholic Church's ordinary teaching authority. ... Its doctrinal authority is proper to the Catholic Church's, papal Magisterium… The Catechism presents Catholic doctrine as an organic whole and as it is related to Christ who is the center of the Catholic Church.
The Definition of Catechism. 1 : oral instruction. 2 : a manual for catechizing: Specifically: A summary of religious doctrine often in the form of questions and answers. 3a : a set of formal questions put as a test.
The Roman Catechism (or Catechism of the Council of Trent, published 1566) was commissioned during the Catholic Counter-Reformation by the Council of Trent, to expound doctrine and to improve the theological understanding of the clergy.
A Catechism or Christian Doctrine. Laurence Vaux, B.D., a Catholic martyr, first published his catechism, also called The Catechism of Laurence Vaux or Vaux's Catechism, in Louvain in 1567.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (Latin: Catechismus Catholicae Ecclesiae; commonly called the Catechism or the CCC) is a catechism promulgated for the Catholic Church by Pope John Paul II in 1992. It sums up, in book form, the beliefs of the Catholic faithful.
Did the Early Christians Subscribe to Sola Scriptura? A Protestant Misunderstandinghttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/did-the-early-christians-subscribe-to-sola-scripturaThe issue of authority remains the most fundamental source of division between Catholics and Protestants.
Mainline Protestants (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, etc.) do not reject tradition or ecclesial authority;
Indeed, they have a high regard for both and believe that Scripture can only be interpreted correctly within the context of the creeds of the early Church.
The Four Catholic Creeds
Ecumenical and historic Christian creeds: Creed Date Accepted by
1. Creed of Nicaea A.D. 325 Ecumenical Church
2. Nicene Creed (Nicaea-Constantinopolitan Creed), A.D. 381 Ecumenical Church
3. Chalcedonian Creed A.D. 451 Council of Chalcedon
4. Athanasian Creed A.D. 500 Western Christian denominations
However, Protestants believe that only Scripture, is exempt from the possibility of teaching error.
Consequently, when the Protestant senses a conflict between Scripture and the authoritative teachings of a church, he feels a moral obligation to go with (his interpretation of) Scripture.
Although sola Scriptura is difficult to define rigorously, this obligation is an essential aspect of the doctrine.
Learn something instead of spewing lies...
Sola Scriptura, is a Protestant "MAN-MADE - THEOLOGY."
“Faith in Scripture" rises or falls with only the faith in the Son Jesus Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit.”
Revealed from heaven, the gospel message itself (Christ as the central content of Scripture) is as much the basis for the Catholic Church's "Oral Tradition and Written Tradition for the Bible’s authority, as the fact that it comes from the Father through the inspiration of the Spirit.
So, TexaCan,
1. Sola Scriptura. It is not found in the "Bible," scripturally...
2. Nor did Jesus Christ teach sola Scriptura, because the Bible was not codified and completed until A.D. 397 from the Catholic Church's, Oral and Written Traditions.
3. The Apostles did not teach sola Scriptura, and pass down Sola Scriptura.
4. Nor did the Early Church Patristic Fathers Teach sola Scriptura and pass down Sola Scriptura.
5. Nor has the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus Christ ever taught sola Scriptura.
6. Matrin Luther, made-up and invented sola Scriptura, because Sola Scriptura is not found in the "Bible," scripturally...
Martin Luther invented Sola-Scriptura, "Protestant self-Biblical-Interpertation." Causing 47,000 thousand divisional and sectarian Protestant church's and 700,000,000 million, self-biblical-interpreting-mini-Pope's... on what the Bible says and teaches Christianity by Jesus Christ...
Matrin Luther, and then was purveyor of Sola-Scriptura and this theology was accepted by other Protestant Reformation leaders... for 502 years...
TexaCan wrote:
If we stole the Sola Scriptura from your Catholic Church and it is Man-Made as you claim...........
Then your Catholic Bible is Man-Made! EXPLAIN this! These are your words, your accusations!