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Feb 22, 2019 09:27:42   #
Morgan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Kind of want to save this for our PM discussion... But on the other hand...

Kind of want to save this for our PM discussion...... (show quote)


Ok than tap~tap~tap

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Feb 22, 2019 09:48:05   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
I suppose that is possible, I see it words spoken by Christ, as with all his sermons,
but interpreted by men, and then again interpreted by those who created and edited the Bible.


The bible explains itself. Bible commentaries help in that regard as the scholars who wrote them are well versed in the history and customs of the time.

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Then why are there priests?

Correct in the patriarchal platitudes of the church, where only priests forgive sins.
Being brought up Catholic I recall when we were actually old enough to go into the confession booth(after our holy communion) for the priest to hear our sins, and remember thinking at the ripe old age of seven, what do I need him for? As I was taught that through prayer we speak directly to him and he hears everything. And out of everything I was taught, that was the main lesson I learned, aside from love and forgiveness.
Then why are there priests? br br Correct in the ... (show quote)


Priests are Catholic. I'm not Catholic. It's the Catholic church that has confession. For Christians we confess only to God for He is the only one who can forgive.

You're right, a priest isn't needed though it doubtless comforts some to speak to another person.

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I guess this is where we differ, I do question, which is not a sin, questioning leads to learning. The hard part is at times is the acceptance and to allow and surrender in complete faith. To be able to understand that I don't know my journey's end and why but have faith it is for my highest good. What may be painful now, may be intended to reap rewards later. Which may be as simply learning life's lesson and reaching a new understanding.


Questioning isn't a sin. If we never question how can we learn? That reminds me of this verse in Hebrews 12:1 -
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

The Greek word for race is agon from which we get the word agony. The Christian life is hard!

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I do completely and emphatically disagree with men being more leaders by nature and not from suppression. Leadership comes from traits acquired from DNA and from life's experiences and how we have approached them. There have been women who have been great leaders when on the rare occasion the opportunity arose. Queen Elizabeth jumps to mind. But these opportunities were more like a needle in the haystack. We are finally moving into a time where that will change, look at the female leaders we have going on now. We are finally reaching a place of true e******y, yea!
I do completely and emphatically disagree with men... (show quote)


They are very rare exceptions for a reason. Women naturally look more to men for leadership. I would call Margaret Thatcher an example of a good leader and the Queen Mother displayed good leadership sk**ls during WWII. Women to be admired. There are First Ladies who also had good leadership sk**ls though I'd never have wanted one of them to be president.

Women can't be raised to be like men - each has different strengths. The marginalization of men is part of the reason we have a breakdown in the family unit. This is spiritual warfare. But the key to all this is believing God's word and in that there is freedom. Christian women don't feel as if they are lesser than a man because they're not.

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Feb 22, 2019 10:08:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
They are very rare exceptions for a reason. Women naturally look more to men for leadership. I would call Margaret Thatcher an example of a good leader and the Queen Mother displayed good leadership sk**ls during WWII. Women to be admired. There are First Ladies who also had good leadership sk**ls though I'd never have wanted one of them to be president.

Women can't be raised to be like men - each has different strengths. The marginalization of men is part of the reason we have a breakdown in the family unit. This is spiritual warfare. But the key to all this is believing God's word and in that there is freedom. Christian women don't feel as if they are lesser than a man because they're not.
They are very rare exceptions for a reason. Women... (show quote)


Fascinating and well-reasoned response...

My faith in you is well placed...

This thread may be turned around yet...

加油... Which is Mandarin for 'come on'

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Feb 22, 2019 10:46:12   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
They are very rare exceptions for a reason. Women naturally look more to men for leadership. I would call Margaret Thatcher an example of a good leader and the Queen Mother displayed good leadership sk**ls during WWII. Women to be admired. There are First Ladies who also had good leadership sk**ls though I'd never have wanted one of them to be president.

Women can't be raised to be like men - each has different strengths. The marginalization of men is part of the reason we have a breakdown in the family unit. This is spiritual warfare. But the key to all this is believing God's word and in that there is freedom. Christian women don't feel as if they are lesser than a man because they're not.
They are very rare exceptions for a reason. Women... (show quote)


Do you think the Christian life is harder than anyone else's? Life doesn't have to be hard, that is a conditioned thought, and other religions have it also. Man puts that on himself, not God. I would say some women, look to men for leadership, again, conditioning. I would most definitely v**e for a woman for president if she displayed the qualities I was looking for in a leader.

I believe people should be raised with the same principles and gaged by what each individual brings to the table putting g****r aside. People should apply for a job based solely on their performance.

I don't believe in separate training where brawn is needed, if the woman can't cut it, she should be out. Without a doubt, it would be a harder test for her, but it is she who chose to try out. I know if I was a man of 240lbs and needed to be lifted out some where, I sure would be happy to see a big brawny guy come by to help. But we've gotten off topic, so I'll end this here.

So...No I don't believe they go to hell, I believe they create their own hell.

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Feb 22, 2019 11:25:35   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
You think the Christian life is harder than anyone else? Life doesn't have to be hard, that is a conditioned thought, and other religions have it also. Man puts that on himself, not God. I would say some women, look to men for leadership, again, conditioning. I would most definitely v**e for a woman for president if she displayed the qualities I was looking for in a leader.


It's a LOT harder because one doesn't live for oneself. In having Christ as Lord over your life you deny self - think less of self and put others first. That you love others - not a romantic love but agape love - the highest form of love. It is not an emotion.

Conditioning isn't the reason women naturally look more to men for leadership. This is demonstrated in the animal kingdom as well. I know there are exceptions.


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I believe people should be raised with the same principles and gaged by what each individual brings to the table putting g****r aside. People should apply for a job based solely on their performance.


Sometimes g****r can't be put aside because it's part of who you are. While children should be raised with the same principles you can't raise a girl to be like a man and vice versa.

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I don't believe in separate training where brawn is needed, if the woman can't cut it, she should be out. Without a doubt, it would be a harder test for her, but it is she who chose to try out. I know if I was a man of 240lbs and needed to be lifted out some where, I sure would be happy to see a big brawny guy come by to help. But we've gotten off topic, so I'll end this here.


LOL. The problem is standards usually end up getting relaxed. In the military, unit cohesion suffers no matter what they claim. In a foxhole a woman becomes a girlfriend, a sister, a wife or a mother. That's nature not nurture. There's nothing wrong with a man's natural inclination to protect a woman. There IS something wrong when women put their wants ahead of what's best for the military by thinking they should be allowed to be Rangers or Seals.

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So...No I don't believe they go to hell, I believe they create their own hell.


I forgot that was the original topic. Hell is real and is far worse than anything we could ever experience on earth.

Interesting discussion.

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Feb 23, 2019 10:50:43   #
Morgan
 
Rose42 wrote:
I forgot that was the original topic. Hell is real and is far worse than anything we could ever experience on earth.

Interesting discussion.


Yes, I agree it is an interesting discussion, so glad we can have it without offenses.
With that, I disagree wholeheartedly, Love no matter what form or plane it is arrived from, it is a beautiful emotion, felt in our hearts, not our heads, which expands exponentially by how we release it.

When we love for humanity, life's creatures, all of earth and the universe, we raise our awareness for a much greater potential of who we can be, what we can be. But Christianity is not the only religion that does this and isn't that an absolutely wonderful thing that holds such promise?

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Feb 23, 2019 12:27:22   #
Rose42
 
Morgan wrote:
Yes, I agree it is an interesting discussion, so glad we can have it without offenses.
With that, I disagree wholeheartedly, Love no matter what form or plane it is arrived from, it is a beautiful emotion, felt in our hearts, not our heads, which expands exponentially by how we release it.

When we love for humanity, life's creatures, all of earth and the universe, we raise our awareness for a much greater potential of who we can be, what we can be. But Christianity is not the only religion that does this and isn't that an absolutely wonderful thing that holds such promise?
Yes, I agree it is an interesting discussion, so g... (show quote)


The bible has different kinds of love. Phileo which is emotional and agape which is the highest form and while emotion can be a part of it, it is an act of will. Agape love goes against human nature because it is completely selfless. One sacrifices oneself for the one loved. Christ's love for us is agape love. No p***e, vanity, or anything else associated with emotional love. Not that emotional love isn't wonderful - it sure is.

If we all had agape love we would all be living in harmony. I totally agree that we should love all humanity and everything God has given us. We should be good stewards of our animals and of the earth. Every religion does have that. But there is no other religion I know of that has a God who has shown us and given us the purest kind of love there is.

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