Doc110 Loc: York PA

Texas Truth,

We all have to carry our crosses through life, I'm caring my cross of sin, pain and warrantless persecution.

I carry that same cross of sin, to the goal-line Heaven, with joy and asking forgiveness all my days in my heart-beat-life, because I know what awaits me, at the end of our journeys.

Present day modernism Christianity, is now preached by evangelists, Pentecostal, fundamentalism and non-denominational movements is and are, completely "Fill-in-the-Blank" Modernism form's of Christianity including the present day Biblical worldly Relativism, which has clouded people's minds on Jesus's Christ's Authority in his Church that he founded...

a. "Cookies-&-Milk" Bible passages,
b. Naivety of "Watered-Down" Holy scripture,
c. The fallacy of "Feel-Good" Christianity,
d. Shopping-Cart Mentality of Christianity and,
f. Modernism form of Christianity and Biblical worldly Relativism, which has clouded people's minds on

As to the actual truths of what the Holy biblical verses and explicit quotation verses that Jesus taught, the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers has passed down to his Church and to God fearing Christians.

I for one, do not want my soul and my sins to burn in hell for eternity, in a lake of fire.

I relish for my sins to burned away on the threshing fires of Purgatory, because no, soul can enter Heaven unless our souls have been refined and all sin is removed before entrance to Heaven.

Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.
1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21

John the Baptist uses the imagery of the threshing floor to describe the coming Messiah who would separate the true believers from the false.

Matthew 3:12; Luke 3:17
The true followers of Christ will be gathered into the kingdom of God just as grain is gathered into barns, while those who reject Christ will be burned up “with unquenchable fire,” just as the worthless chaff is burned.

Psalm 1:4; Isaiah 17:13
The wicked are often described as chaff that the wind drives away.

Matthew 13:36–43
Similar imagery of the good grain being separated from the worthless weeds appears in the parable of the wheat and the tares.

God uses heat of fire to refine us, and show his reflection in us, before our entrance into heaven.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Zechariah 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.

Luke 12:49
“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

James 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

1 Peter 1:6-7
In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle [you].

Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 Corinthians 3:13
Each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.

Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen Amen.

woodguru

According to Lucifer (the show) hell is tailored to each person's idea of what an eternal hell would be...

makes as much sense as anything else

woodguru

And my personal thoughts are that there are going to be a rather large number of people who consider themselves and profess to be christians who have hated and treated other people worse than poorly who cannot possibly be getting a free pass to heaven because the believe they are christians...I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. otherwise heaven would be forcing truly good people to share space with people who do not care about other people.

Yes, hell is bound to be full of people who for some reason seem to think simply professing to be christian is enough.

Rose42

Yes some of those will be there. Many are self-deceived. But what is a "truly good person"? There are none. Man's nature is wicked and in their hearts everyone knows it. People can put on a show of caring about others but God knows the intent of the heart. Humans are masters at fooling themselves into believing something they're not.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

woodguru,

Ever read the Dante's Inferno (the Divine Comedy, Volume 1, Hell): Dante Alighieri and the seven deadly sin's or vices, 9 Circles of Hell.

After passing through the gate of Purgatory proper, Virgil guides the pilgrim Dante through the mountain's seven terraces.

These correspond to the seven deadly sins or "seven roots of sinfulness":

Pride, Envy, Wrath, Sloth, Avarice (and Prodigality), Gluttony, and Lust.

Worth the read, on what hell is like, other than your modernism and moral Relativism and watered down theology.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Quote:
"Please speak the truth, when quoting the Bible and don't take out of context as to your ignorant belief of the Holy Bible. "

The only Bible quote I supplied was concerning Jesus not being the one to judge us...

Either debate the quote provided or don't...

But don't go on some sort of tangent...

FOCUS!

And no one except you is confused...
Mother-in-law jokes are as old as mankind...
Laugh a little...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Dante's Inferno....

Now there is a good source book...

For some reason it's not in the non-fiction section...

Yep... Woodguru had better base his understanding of hell on a made uo Book written before America was a country...

That will save his soul and keep him from the sin of moral relativism....

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Haven't read, it. It used to be required in all major College courses.

Try broadening your horizons and intelligence, one of the top 100 historic book reads, that has out lasted any modern-day contemporary authors on any modern subject from the Renaissance time period.

It takes on the fiction and non-fiction masterpiece subject of hell, the deadly sins of Christian religion and is a fictional account of the journey of man-women it's self on salvation history e.g. the do's and the don'ts of loosing one's soul to the devil-Satan and the eternal fires of hell.

The book the is a classic read for everyone and spans all countries, and world religious theologies.

You don't know the dangers of Modernisms are, let alone the sin of moral Relativism.... in our current American society and world societies.

Name ten moral modern-day Relativism's in the United States ?

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Canuckus Deploracus,

I did laugh at your mother-In-law joke, but mostly at your comments and retorts.

Maybe your mother-in-law is not so bad after all...


Confusion, Canuckus Deploracus, is in the eye of the beholder and on your modern day Relativism opinions, which are with our facts and which are baseless in your retort replies.

Yes, Jesus Christ spoke these words on hell and many more public utterances in the Bible.

The only problem is your comprehension and Present day modernism Christianity, is now preached by evangelists, Pentecostal, fundamentalism and non-denominational movements.

Which are, completely "Fill-in-the-Blank" verses of Modernism form's of Christianity including the present day Biblical worldly Relativism.

Which has clouded people's minds on Jesus's Christ's Authority and in his Church that he founded... especially on Judgement day and atoning for one's sins when we are to be judged by our almighty maker.

Examples of Relativism and Christian modernism understanding:
a. "Cookies-&-Milk" Bible passages,
b. Naivety of "Watered-Down" Holy scripture,
c. The fallacy of "Feel-Good" Christianity modernism,
d. Shopping-Cart Mentality of Christianity and mentality to pick and chose one's Church theology,


Try and read to learn Biblical truths and authority as it was written and taught down through 20 generations of time.

So far I've listed 16 bible verses, and 5 direct quotations that Jesus actually spoke about hell, “with unquenchable fire.”

Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb.

And 1 Corinthians 6:9–10; Galatians 5:19–21

John the Baptist uses the imagery of the threshing floor to describe the coming Messiah who would separate the true believers from the false.

Psalm 1:4; Isaiah 17:13
The wicked are often described as chaff that the wind drives away.

Matthew 3:12; Luke 3:17
The true followers of Christ will be gathered into the kingdom of God just as grain is gathered into barns, while those who reject Christ will be burned up “with unquenchable fire,” just as the worthless chaff is burned.


Matthew 13:36–43
Similar imagery of the good grain being separated from the worthless weeds appears in the parable of the wheat and the tares.

God uses heat of fire to refine us, and show his reflection in us, before our entrance into heaven.

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Zechariah 13:9
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.

Malachi 3:3
And he shall sit refining and cleansing the silver, and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and shall refine them as gold, and as silver, and they shall offer sacrifices to the Lord in justice.

Luke 12:49
“I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

James 3:6
And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

1 Peter 1:6-7
In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 4:12-13
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle [you].

Revelation 3:18
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

1 Corinthians 3:13
Each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.

Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen Amen.

Rose42

A much better read is the Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan. IMO

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I have good money says that Jesus didn't speak the Malachi quote...

Care to wager?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

No deal...

The list is growing faster than I'd like...

And it is really difficult to get books up here...

And I loath e-books...

But thanks for the suggestion

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Canuckus Deploracus,

Wager all you want, all you like to do is argue without presenting any facts...

Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.

I gave you plenty of Jesus narrative verses, and biblical scriptural verses about hell and the day of Judgement.


Malachi was an Old Testament prophet, but Malachi and other prophets did discuss the end days, and final judgement.

The New Testament is found in the Old Testament, and is fulfilled.

The Old Testament is found in the the New Testament and scripture and Prophesy is fulfilled.


Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Ah... But nothing pertaining to Jesus being the one who judges us

A little help here please...

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Canuckus Deploracus,

By your opinion and retort "A little help here please,"

Do you want me to pray for you. ?

Again, Canuckus Deploracus,
Opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions, opinions... They don't mean anything, it is fruitless rhetoric bloviating.

Provide and Respond with fact's, Fact's FACT's...

No No Supposition's, No Innuendo's, No Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, No Hypocritical Truth's, No Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions...

Matthew 3:12
John the baptizer was the first to tell us Jesus would be our judge.

Matthew 13:49
"So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,

Matthew 13:39-43
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.

"So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.

"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness.

And will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father He who has ears, let him hear.

John:5:22
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son….

Jesus himself said in John:3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” Now we have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You can’t separate them.

John 12:47-48
"If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken.


John 12:47-48
I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it.
We see a very similar discussion between Jesus and the leaders in John 5 where Jesus came to a very similar conclusion.
45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

Luke 12:8,9
And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges Me before others, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; but whoever denies Me before others will be denied before the angels of God.

Matthew 25:31-46
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.

Acts 17:30-31
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead." "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’

41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!

42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink.

43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’

44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’

45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’

46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.”

Amen, Amen, Let be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.