oldroy wrote:
I am sorry to see that you don't know too much about how our Constitution got written, as to how and why. Of course, their states did send delegates although some of them sent more than others.
I am also sorry that you don't know that words don't mean the same thing to progressives as they do to the rest of us. That is, if more progressives got sent to your convention, you know by New York and California what might they send along to the Congress? I have tried to explain to you what happened when our document was written and you, like all the many others who tried to suck me in on this thing, don't really understand why progressives of today are supporting this move like you are. I know just what happened in Philadelphia and it sure wasn't what the Congress called on them to do. Surely you can understand that writing things that may improve the Articles just wasn't any different than trying to put term limits into the Constitution now. Maybe you can't any more than many of those who have tried to convince me did then or now.
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Apparently I know one hell of lot more about the history of our founding, the constitutional conventions in Philly, and how our constitution was written than you do. If you cannot even understand the amendment process specified in a single article in the constitution, it is patently obvious that you have no clue what you're talking about.
First of all, the constitutional convention convened on May 25, 1787. After 3 months of debate, the constitution was signed by 38 of the 41 delegates on September 17, 1787. As dictated by Article VII, the document would not become binding until it was ratified by nine of the 13 states. On June 21, 1788, New Hampshire was the ninth state to ratify, and this officially established the federal government. In June of 1788, Virginia was the tenth, followed in July by New York. In November 1789, North Carolina became the 12th state to ratify, and on May 29, 1790, Rhode Island was 13th.
George Washington was elected president on February 4, 1789, and the First Continental Congress convened a month later on March 4, 1789. This all occurred nearly a year after the final ratification of the constitution necessary to establish our government.
Put simply, oldroy, our entire federal government, including congress, did not exist until the constitution was signed and ratified. So, if congress did not exist, how can you say that the convention delegates didn't do what congress wanted them to do?
I have been following the Article V
Convention of States Project very closely and I have yet to see any indication that progressives anywhere are supporting this. If you understood Article V of the Constitution and the procedures and protocols of the Convention of States, you would know that there is no possibility of a runaway convention or that it could be hijacked by any ideological movement. The delegates at an Article V convention cannot in any way, shape or form alter or rewrite any or all of the Articles of the Constitution, they can only PROPOSE amendments, any amendment issuing from this must be ratified by 38 state legislatures.
Article V of the U.S. Constitution gives states the power to call a Convention of States to propose amendments. It takes 34 states to call the convention and 38 to ratify any amendments that are proposed. Our convention would only allow the states to discuss amendments that, “limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, impose fiscal restraints, and place term limits on federal officials.”Currently, 31 state legislatures are controlled by Republicans, 23 of them are Trifectas. Democrats control the legislatures of 18 states, 14 of them are Trifectas. One state has a democrat governor and a split legislature.
I suggest you register for and study Hillsdale College's free online course
Constitution 101: The Meaning & History of the Constitution, and that you get a copy of
The Liberty Amendments and read it cover to cover.