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Mar 16, 2014 17:01:46   #
petertimber
 
What stunned me was that nolone ever mentions doing public service menial hygienic cleaning of municipal services in exchange for being forced onto mendicancy in view of the fact that streets and parks are unkempt and could use an unemployed man or woman with a push broom since bagging groceries would deny mentally handicapped a job...and they do a great job of bagging groceries where I shop. Highway cleaners picking up discarded debris tossed from cars, hospital public area cleaners etc etc like a WPA which is the greatest incentive to get people off the dole and out bed or hammock into a paying job.

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Mar 16, 2014 18:52:13   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Kevyn wrote:
Actualy the majority of the wealthy got that way not by the bootstraps but by the silver spoon. Look at the young people getting out of luxury cars at high end malls and sliding down the slopes at Vail or tanning on South Beach. The only way they are breaking their butts is by slipping and falling while loaded on cocaine and champaign at a nightclub or hitting a rough patch of ice on the slopes. The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both.


Many, if not most, of those you reference are professional athletes, movie, TV, or recording celebrities, and "retired" politicians, though I will grant some are from wealthy parents, i.e. the Kennedy's et al.

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Mar 16, 2014 19:07:26   #
Duckie
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Many, if not most, of those you reference are professional athletes, movie, TV, or recording celebrities, and "retired" politicians, though I will grant some are from wealthy parents, i.e. the Kennedy's et al.


You know, I am wondering if Ms. Obama could be in this group that he mentions. Or does spending tax payer money not count? And to think about it, how many working men get to go play golf on a private course as often as a crisis arise?

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Mar 16, 2014 19:22:03   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
petertimber wrote:
What stunned me was that nolone ever mentions doing public service menial hygienic cleaning of municipal services in exchange for being forced onto mendicancy in view of the fact that streets and parks are unkempt and could use an unemployed man or woman with a push broom since bagging groceries would deny mentally handicapped a job...and they do a great job of bagging groceries where I shop. Highway cleaners picking up discarded debris tossed from cars, hospital public area cleaners etc etc like a WPA which is the greatest incentive to get people off the dole and out bed or hammock into a paying job.
What stunned me was that nolone ever mentions doin... (show quote)


"Doing public service" is out. States that have state employee unions would never allow such. It would prove the excessive pay they (state union employees) receive for minimal work. Such idea was proposed by a small New Jersey town quite sometime ago. The hue and outcry was heard far and yon. It was even likened to "slavery". Excuse me..."slavery"? They were receiving money and being asked to simply help keep public parks and streets clean. In fact, they would only have been required to work fifteen hours per week.

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Mar 16, 2014 19:33:42   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I know that in Arizona, in Maricopa County, the sheriff has the prisoners (men all dressed in pink) clean up parks, roads, and maintenance of the prison facilities everyday of the week (except Sunday) and in the middle of hot summer days. The prisoners sued him and they lost. They sued him again for not paying them, they lost. He is the same one that has tent city because of the over crowding of the jails. You have to "earn" a bed inside the jail.

AuntiE wrote:
"Doing public service" is out. States that have state employee unions would never allow such. It would prove the excessive pay they (state union employees) receive for minimal work. Such idea was proposed by a small New Jersey town quite sometime ago. The hue and outcry was heard far and yon. It was even likened to "slavery". Excuse me..."slavery"? They were receiving money and being asked to simply help keep public parks and streets clean. In fact, they would only have been required to work fifteen hours per week.
"Doing public service" is out. States th... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 20:50:39   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ginnyt wrote:
I know that in Arizona, in Maricopa County, the sheriff has the prisoners (men all dressed in pink) clean up parks, roads, and maintenance of the prison facilities everyday of the week (except Sunday) and in the middle of hot summer days. The prisoners sued him and they lost. They sued him again for not paying them, they lost. He is the same one that has tent city because of the over crowding of the jails. You have to "earn" a bed inside the jail.


There's nothing wrong with tough love. It's just too bad that we can't apply some to the dorks in DC. You know, no campaigning while in session, no recesses when there are bills on the floor and no playing until the work is done.

DC is more of an illusion than Hollywood. Even a good person becomes bamboozled when they get there. Once infected, there's no cure, so like you do with cattle, get rid of all of them all at once and start over.

BTW, I noticed that the rich posters, out of all that I said, only reacted to the "tax the rich" comments. That pretty much made my point about the rich not being concerned about jobs for the masses. I would tax them at 40%, delete ALL deductions, including contributions to political campaigns, either directly or indirectly.

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Mar 16, 2014 20:58:26   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There's nothing wrong with tough love. It's just too bad that we can't apply some to the dorks in DC. You know, no campaigning while in session, no recesses when there are bills on the floor and no playing until the work is done.

DC is more of an illusion than Hollywood. Even a good person becomes bamboozled when they get there. Once infected, there's no cure, so like you do with cattle, get rid of all of them all at once and start over.

BTW, I noticed that the rich posters, out of all that I said, only reacted to the "tax the rich" comments. That pretty much made my point about the rich not being concerned about jobs for the masses. I would tax them at 40%, delete ALL deductions, including contributions to political campaigns, either directly or indirectly.
There's nothing wrong with tough love. It's just t... (show quote)


I concur with your first two paragraphs, but have issue with the last.

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Mar 16, 2014 22:41:23   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Good post all the way to the last paragraph.


lpnmajor wrote:
There's nothing wrong with tough love. It's just too bad that we can't apply some to the dorks in DC. You know, no campaigning while in session, no recesses when there are bills on the floor and no playing until the work is done.

DC is more of an illusion than Hollywood. Even a good person becomes bamboozled when they get there. Once infected, there's no cure, so like you do with cattle, get rid of all of them all at once and start over.

BTW, I noticed that the rich posters, out of all that I said, only reacted to the "tax the rich" comments. That pretty much made my point about the rich not being concerned about jobs for the masses. I would tax them at 40%, delete ALL deductions, including contributions to political campaigns, either directly or indirectly.
There's nothing wrong with tough love. It's just t... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 23:22:17   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ginnyt wrote:
Good post all the way to the last paragraph.


I wonder why?

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Mar 17, 2014 00:32:33   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
lpnmajor wrote:
I wonder why?


Really?

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Mar 17, 2014 06:38:48   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ginnyt wrote:
Really?


Yeah, I don't understand the reticence about taxing the "over rich", who pay lower effective tax rates than anybody. The tax rate for them is supposed to be 35% now, but even Warren Buffet admits that his is around 15% and Mitt Romney's was 13.9%. So a flat rate of 40% is not outrageous.

Stopping all tax deductions needs to be done anyway, certainly for political contributions. Everybody agrees that big money needs to be eliminated from politics and this would be a first step. The second step would be to abolish non profit status for all political groups.

So I just don't understand why you and Old Gringo had a problem with what I said about the rich. Anyone who makes $1,000,000 a year and can't live on $600,000, has got a far worse problem than paying taxes.

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Mar 17, 2014 10:40:31   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Kevyn wrote:
Actualy the majority of the wealthy got that way not by the bootstraps but by the silver spoon. Look at the young people getting out of luxury cars at high end malls and sliding down the slopes at Vail or tanning on South Beach. The only way they are breaking their butts is by slipping and falling while loaded on cocaine and champaign at a nightclub or hitting a rough patch of ice on the slopes. The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both.


Why do so many fail to see this?

"The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both."

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Mar 17, 2014 10:43:29   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah, I don't understand the reticence about taxing the "over rich", who pay lower effective tax rates than anybody. The tax rate for them is supposed to be 35% now, but even Warren Buffet admits that his is around 15% and Mitt Romney's was 13.9%. So a flat rate of 40% is not outrageous.

Stopping all tax deductions needs to be done anyway, certainly for political contributions. Everybody agrees that big money needs to be eliminated from politics and this would be a first step. The second step would be to abolish non profit status for all political groups.

So I just don't understand why you and Old Gringo had a problem with what I said about the rich. Anyone who makes $1,000,000 a year and can't live on $600,000, has got a far worse problem than paying taxes.
Yeah, I don't understand the reticence about taxin... (show quote)


I think there most be some of those $1 million a year people on this forum they way they treat these issues.

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Mar 17, 2014 10:53:38   #
rickdri
 
rcksha wrote:
Jobs, jobs, jobs is all we hear about when ramping up into an election cycle. Complete disregard to jobs after the elections.
Tax increases to the small business owners, cut available manpower hours to work without penalty to 30 hrs with ACA, increase obscure and unknown insurance costs, additional and new regulations and environmental costs cause small business to pull their hair out. Is it any wonder we see no job increases.
Buisness has to know what their costs are going to be in order to hire. Reasonable stability is the name of the game for small and large business.
I agree big business have been doing well financially. If they had answers to many of these questions I think we would see an increase in employment. There certainly is challenges to be faced with technology changes reducing the need for less people, but not to the extent the administration is claiming.
A completely different strategy of this administration has to take place to bring the job market back. It doesn't appear to me that is going to happen.
Investigation says that the NAFTA agreement has cost us over a million jobs allowing offshore business advantages. Small business competition by increased unemployment and entitlement benefits causing people to not want to go back to work ,and many other obstacles have caused many small business's to fold. What has congress or the administration done to support keeping them producing jobs.
What has the administration done to prevent big business, from laying off thousands and thousands of people? Nothing !!!!
Jobs, jobs, jobs is all we hear about when ramping... (show quote)


Thanks RCKSHA; Your assessment is spot on. Businesses don't know what to expect next out of Obama. He has changed his healthcare law illegally so many times that businesses have no idea what to expect. He has the EPA acting as a governing entity enforcing policies he could not get through congress. Businesses need to know what to plan for. With Obama they can not plan their strategies 3 months out much less an election cycle of only 2 years for the house. Obama has no clue how to run a business, much less our government!

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Mar 17, 2014 11:29:30   #
petertimber
 
Mr Brown:You mask your greed and avarice clumsily since you obviously don't earn $1,000,000 but sure know how much you need to live beyond your blue collar status if you earned that much without truly knowing what that sum requires and the relating expenditures such a person would be required to spend in order to keep that income coming in steadily. Nobody gives the million dollar earner a check every two weeks so that he can saunter onto a stool or couch to do the necessary slouching. The million dollar earner surely broke his butt into 4 pieces starting out and deprived himself and his family or if inherited live up to the requirements of the job (sweat and all) to maintain a business at the vital level of effort needed.

Insofar as I am concerned anybody on welfare or entitlements should be required to spend less than they make off welfare so they learn how to manage money by deducting a savings account from available cash. Then I would have this legend imprinted upon all welfare vouchers for rent, food, clothing, medicine,telephone and TV, tgransportation etc etc with the statement...BUY IT NEW,USE IT OUT, MAKE IT DO, DO WITHOUT.........and oh yes no toy vouchers for children since you can buy them with your savings on the holidays.

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