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Mar 16, 2014 10:05:04   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading welfare types, including the long time unemployed. There are scores of people "gaming the system", of that I have no doubt. Here's the thing, there are about 18,000,000 people out of work in this country already. That means that, even if we were able to weed out EVERY freeloader from EVERY program, they'd still be out of work.

The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.

Claiming that taxing the rich will hurt the "job creators" and cost jobs, is a false one. In the last 5 years the rich, including large corporations, have made record money and have NOT created an abundance of jobs. If they were going to be "job creators", they'd have done it by now, so taxing them will have 0 impact on jobs. The other t***h is, taxing them will NOT solve our problems, nor improve them much, but since they failed to keep their promises, we should tax them anyway.

Jobs should be the ONLY topic on the minds of politicians, whether they are running for e******n/ re-e******n or not. More jobs will help many more problems than all the other issues combined. Compared to the job dearth, even Obama care pales in comparison, even if the "job losses" claimed do happen. Certainly a******n, gun owner rights and other issues, only affect a small percentage of the population, whereas, lack of employment affects every single one of us.

Revamping the tax code to favor SMALL business and penalizing corporations that shift jobs overseas, would be a good start. Keeping the Defense Industry chugging at full capacity, still, only affects a small percentage of the population. I would rather partially support a person working for a small business, than I would supporting them to do nothing OR work for a large business ( such as wally world ).

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Mar 16, 2014 10:38:18   #
petertimber
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading welfare types, including the long time unemployed. There are scores of people "gaming the system", of that I have no doubt. Here's the thing, there are about 18,000,000 people out of work in this country already. That means that, even if we were able to weed out EVERY freeloader from EVERY program, they'd still be out of work.

The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.

Claiming that taxing the rich will hurt the "job creators" and cost jobs, is a false one. In the last 5 years the rich, including large corporations, have made record money and have NOT created an abundance of jobs. If they were going to be "job creators", they'd have done it by now, so taxing them will have 0 impact on jobs. The other t***h is, taxing them will NOT solve our problems, nor improve them much, but since they failed to keep their promises, we should tax them anyway.

Jobs should be the ONLY topic on the minds of politicians, whether they are running for e******n/ re-e******n or not. More jobs will help many more problems than all the other issues combined. Compared to the job dearth, even Obama care pales in comparison, even if the "job losses" claimed do happen. Certainly a******n, gun owner rights and other issues, only affect a small percentage of the population, whereas, lack of employment affects every single one of us.

Revamping the tax code to favor SMALL business and penalizing corporations that shift jobs overseas, would be a good start. Keeping the Defense Industry chugging at full capacity, still, only affects a small percentage of the population. I would rather partially support a person working for a small business, than I would supporting them to do nothing OR work for a large business ( such as wally world ).
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading wel... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 10:43:47   #
bobgssc
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.


You know this is true when you find intelligent middle aged men (who should be at the top of their career earning brackets) suddenly working entry level jobs simply because this is what is available. My sons are having trouble getting more hours by finding something else (they are teens and tweens) because they are competing for entry level jobs against people my age or with at least 15 years work experience.

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Mar 16, 2014 10:49:47   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading welfare types, including the long time unemployed. There are scores of people "gaming the system", of that I have no doubt. Here's the thing, there are about 18,000,000 people out of work in this country already. That means that, even if we were able to weed out EVERY freeloader from EVERY program, they'd still be out of work.

The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.

Claiming that taxing the rich will hurt the "job creators" and cost jobs, is a false one. In the last 5 years the rich, including large corporations, have made record money and have NOT created an abundance of jobs. If they were going to be "job creators", they'd have done it by now, so taxing them will have 0 impact on jobs. The other t***h is, taxing them will NOT solve our problems, nor improve them much, but since they failed to keep their promises, we should tax them anyway.

Jobs should be the ONLY topic on the minds of politicians, whether they are running for e******n/ re-e******n or not. More jobs will help many more problems than all the other issues combined. Compared to the job dearth, even Obama care pales in comparison, even if the "job losses" claimed do happen. Certainly a******n, gun owner rights and other issues, only affect a small percentage of the population, whereas, lack of employment affects every single one of us.

Revamping the tax code to favor SMALL business and penalizing corporations that shift jobs overseas, would be a good start. Keeping the Defense Industry chugging at full capacity, still, only affects a small percentage of the population. I would rather partially support a person working for a small business, than I would supporting them to do nothing OR work for a large business ( such as wally world ).
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading wel... (show quote)


What those who seek power & control fail to see is that as they put more money in their pockets their control over those that have little or nothing means little or nothing.

It just becomes personal greed.

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Mar 16, 2014 10:54:58   #
petertimber
 
Personally I resent having to support anybody who does not contribute in some way to society and fostering the feeling that somehow society owes them something for being nice enough to grace us with their presence and progeny.

As a child growing up in AMERICA before and after WW11 What made this country great were effective values (or else we all wouldn't be living so cushy right now and the past 50 years as well. (nobody stuffs brown paper in their shoes to cover the holes in their soles to make them last longer anymore). People "OUT OF WORK" means they are living as well as they did when they were out of work breeding without thinking who is going to support children, a roof over their heads and clothes on their back. No one starves anymore and there is money for everything.

Rich people got theirs by breaking their butts and educating themselves to succeed And deserve to live in the big house on the hill.

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Mar 16, 2014 11:26:19   #
Kevyn
 
petertimber wrote:
Personally I resent having to support anybody who does not contribute in some way to society and fostering the feeling that somehow society owes them something for being nice enough to grace us with their presence and progeny.

As a child growing up in AMERICA before and after WW11 What made this country great were effective values (or else we all wouldn't be living so cushy right now and the past 50 years as well. (nobody stuffs brown paper in their shoes to cover the holes in their soles to make them last longer anymore). People "OUT OF WORK" means they are living as well as they did when they were out of work breeding without thinking who is going to support children, a roof over their heads and clothes on their back. No one starves anymore and there is money for everything.

Rich people got theirs by breaking their butts and educating themselves to succeed And deserve to live in the big house on the hill.
Personally I resent having to support anybody who ... (show quote)


Actualy the majority of the wealthy got that way not by the bootstraps but by the silver spoon. Look at the young people getting out of luxury cars at high end malls and sliding down the slopes at Vail or tanning on South Beach. The only way they are breaking their butts is by slipping and falling while loaded on cocaine and champaign at a nightclub or hitting a rough patch of ice on the slopes. The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both.

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Mar 16, 2014 11:29:15   #
petertimber
 
That's part of the big picture....when was the last time you went out and shined shoes ??

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Mar 16, 2014 13:37:30   #
Duckie
 
Kevyn wrote:
Actualy the majority of the wealthy got that way not by the bootstraps but by the silver spoon. Look at the young people getting out of luxury cars at high end malls and sliding down the slopes at Vail or tanning on South Beach. The only way they are breaking their butts is by slipping and falling while loaded on cocaine and champaign at a nightclub or hitting a rough patch of ice on the slopes. The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both.


As my Mother would say, what a crock of manure! When you have money, it has to be managed, but you would not know about that. It is work.

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Mar 16, 2014 14:08:15   #
rcksha
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading welfare types, including the long time unemployed. There are scores of people "gaming the system", of that I have no doubt. Here's the thing, there are about 18,000,000 people out of work in this country already. That means that, even if we were able to weed out EVERY freeloader from EVERY program, they'd still be out of work.

The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.

Claiming that taxing the rich will hurt the "job creators" and cost jobs, is a false one. In the last 5 years the rich, including large corporations, have made record money and have NOT created an abundance of jobs. If they were going to be "job creators", they'd have done it by now, so taxing them will have 0 impact on jobs. The other t***h is, taxing them will NOT solve our problems, nor improve them much, but since they failed to keep their promises, we should tax them anyway.

Jobs should be the ONLY topic on the minds of politicians, whether they are running for e******n/ re-e******n or not. More jobs will help many more problems than all the other issues combined. Compared to the job dearth, even Obama care pales in comparison, even if the "job losses" claimed do happen. Certainly a******n, gun owner rights and other issues, only affect a small percentage of the population, whereas, lack of employment affects every single one of us.

Revamping the tax code to favor SMALL business and penalizing corporations that shift jobs overseas, would be a good start. Keeping the Defense Industry chugging at full capacity, still, only affects a small percentage of the population. I would rather partially support a person working for a small business, than I would supporting them to do nothing OR work for a large business ( such as wally world ).
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading wel... (show quote)


Jobs, jobs, jobs is all we hear about when ramping up into an e******n cycle. Complete disregard to jobs after the e******ns.
Tax increases to the small business owners, cut available manpower hours to work without penalty to 30 hrs with ACA, increase obscure and unknown insurance costs, additional and new regulations and environmental costs cause small business to pull their hair out. Is it any wonder we see no job increases.
Buisness has to know what their costs are going to be in order to hire. Reasonable stability is the name of the game for small and large business.
I agree big business have been doing well financially. If they had answers to many of these questions I think we would see an increase in employment. There certainly is challenges to be faced with technology changes reducing the need for less people, but not to the extent the administration is claiming.
A completely different strategy of this administration has to take place to bring the job market back. It doesn't appear to me that is going to happen.
Investigation says that the NAFTA agreement has cost us over a million jobs allowing offshore business advantages. Small business competition by increased unemployment and entitlement benefits causing people to not want to go back to work ,and many other obstacles have caused many small business's to fold. What has congress or the administration done to support keeping them producing jobs.
What has the administration done to prevent big business, from laying off thousands and thousands of people? Nothing !!!!

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Mar 16, 2014 14:48:12   #
grace scott
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading welfare types, including the long time unemployed. There are scores of people "gaming the system", of that I have no doubt. Here's the thing, there are about 18,000,000 people out of work in this country already. That means that, even if we were able to weed out EVERY freeloader from EVERY program, they'd still be out of work.

The problems aren't about who isn't working, it's about there being no jobs. Whining about freeloaders sounds good in principle, but the solutions aren't practical unless, and until, there are more jobs than workers to fill them. It is shameful for ANYONE to say " make them work!", knowing, that there IS no work.

Claiming that taxing the rich will hurt the "job creators" and cost jobs, is a false one. In the last 5 years the rich, including large corporations, have made record money and have NOT created an abundance of jobs. If they were going to be "job creators", they'd have done it by now, so taxing them will have 0 impact on jobs. The other t***h is, taxing them will NOT solve our problems, nor improve them much, but since they failed to keep their promises, we should tax them anyway.

Jobs should be the ONLY topic on the minds of politicians, whether they are running for e******n/ re-e******n or not. More jobs will help many more problems than all the other issues combined. Compared to the job dearth, even Obama care pales in comparison, even if the "job losses" claimed do happen. Certainly a******n, gun owner rights and other issues, only affect a small percentage of the population, whereas, lack of employment affects every single one of us.

Revamping the tax code to favor SMALL business and penalizing corporations that shift jobs overseas, would be a good start. Keeping the Defense Industry chugging at full capacity, still, only affects a small percentage of the population. I would rather partially support a person working for a small business, than I would supporting them to do nothing OR work for a large business ( such as wally world ).
There has been a lot of talk about freeloading wel... (show quote)




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Mar 16, 2014 14:51:05   #
grace scott
 
Kevyn wrote:
Actualy the majority of the wealthy got that way not by the bootstraps but by the silver spoon. Look at the young people getting out of luxury cars at high end malls and sliding down the slopes at Vail or tanning on South Beach. The only way they are breaking their butts is by slipping and falling while loaded on cocaine and champaign at a nightclub or hitting a rough patch of ice on the slopes. The wealthy are as or more lazy than the poor and those of us in the middle end up paying for both.





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Mar 16, 2014 15:46:24   #
petertimber
 
Grace did your mother take in laundry and did you deliver them nice and ironed in a basket or have you lived happy and horizontal, on the teat as it were looking to become a more and better mendicant with outstretched hands and mind?

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Mar 16, 2014 15:55:13   #
Duckie
 
petertimber wrote:
Grace did your mother take in laundry and did you deliver them nice and ironed in a basket or have you lived happy and horizontal, on the teat as it were looking to become a more and better mendicant with outstretched hands and mind?


What a delicate way of asking. Good play on words, it can be taken that you are asking if she makes/ed a living on welfare while earning extra cash as a hooker.

I can honestly say that most Liberals and Progressives do not know how to use an iron, for that matter soap and water.

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Mar 16, 2014 15:57:26   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Duckie wrote:
What a delicate way of asking. Good play on words, it can be taken that you are asking if she makes/ed a living on welfare while earning extra cash as a hooker.

I can honestly say that most Liberals and Progressives do not know how to use an iron, for that matter soap and water.


Sweetie, I can not reach you by phone so meet me in the dinning room in a half hour, we need to talk about some of your replies. I will be home shortly, so start thinking about your responses.
Love you, Mom!

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Mar 16, 2014 17:01:42   #
grace scott
 
petertimber wrote:
Grace did your mother take in laundry and did you deliver them nice and ironed in a basket or have you lived happy and horizontal, on the teat as it were looking to become a more and better mendicant with outstretched hands and mind?



My parents marriage was kept secret. When my mother became pregnant, she was kicked out of school. My father died before I was 1 year old, and she went to work as a waitress to support me. She worked hard and ended up owning a nursery (plants, not children). If taking in laundry would have given me a better life, she would have done it.

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