rickdri

I have agreed with you on some regulation being necessary. Man can not be trusted to behave appropriately where money is involved in the equation. As I stated true capitalism would be possible if men were honest and honorable. We all know that's not possible so my statement about true capitalism could be considered a moot point. However you did ask for some examples of over regulation. I will give you one now, if you require more I can do so tomorrow due to my time limit today!
We will take a business such as a car wash for example.
A car wash opening today would have to face 100 different government agencies before opening. They will need to get permits for: a burglar alarm, building and construction, an occupation permit, fire protection, hazardous materials, generator treatment, underground storage tanks, accidental release prevention, above ground tank, land use, storage tanks, underground tank monitoring, SB198 safety plan, zoning approval, landscape authorization, industrial water discharge, business personal property county license, fictitious name filing, public health weights and management if gas is sold, cradled to grave form on all chemicals that are classifiable, and of course corporation, tax ID#, and OSHA plan, these are not even all of the permits this business needs. There are many more. While some of these are needed, others such as fictitious name, landscape authorization, noise permit, and land use seem a bit over the top. The EPA has many regulations that are over the top too. They have a proposal to make dust a contaminate. These regulations are being done by both parties.
An article was done asking business owners if they felt they could start a business today and reach the same level of success they have achieved today. Many said no, this includes Bill Gates and other Liberal business owners.
As I said due to time restraint this is all I have time for today. I can get you more tomorrow if you want. Have a pleasant day!

moose

They are all plants on here for the liberals.This is a liberal site.They try to put all their lies into your head and exspect you to side with them.They like obama have no clue about the ecoomy,jobs,healthcare and the trillions of dollars their leader has rung up on the American people.They live in La La land.Obma thinks the 17 trillion National debt is just a figure of his imagination. They all the democrats should be thrown out of office and Obama should have been impeached a long time ago.What really gets my dander is the mainstream media.If that was Bush in the oval office and doing the insane things against the Country and our Constitution that Obama is doing would have been impeached a long time ago.

bahmer

So we have "crooks running businesses" and those crooks have "lawyers (crooks) writing laws about business" and these lawyers are then elected into state and federal offices like the congress to initiate laws favoring the crooks who are lawyers supporting crooks who are in business. It sure sounds like they do have a leg up on this operation doesn't it. One big vicious circle.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Capitalism has worked for over 200 years with ups and downs and it has worked better WITH regulation...just one example Glass-Stegall which was repealed and hence the collapse. Regulation of business and capitalism does NOT equal socialism. You benighted cons make me sick.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Somebody has the system figured out, no?

pixie

good post and too true!... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Not sure which opinion of homesteads you are referring to, but your DL Moody quote is not bad at face value.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

The one that ended with
"Don't lose track of the forest, because, your focussed on the trees."

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Oh OK thanks. Nothing wrong with it really. I did give him a detailed response though.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Do you have any memory of the hate tossed at Bush? How about, Clinton? Reagan? Any memory of any of that at all, or does your sense of history start only in January '09?

Don DeHoff

"Btfkr", even your pseudo name reeks of the gutter---and I note, you did not address any of my points. Are you "one of them"? And, just what was "It" that took you so long to get? And, as for your "suggestion" for my own good; it is the "lowering of expectations" that has gotten this great country into this position. "Hating" requires conscious effort, brain activity and overall is counter productive in that it always clouds judgment. Can we all get back to the issues at hand?

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

I agree, it's a bitch, and as you say if people were were honest there would be no need for all the "laws". Without counting, probably a majority of the regulations you listed are local. Do I think some are overkill? Yes. Do I have all the answers? No. The EPA regs of course are Federal. Again, if people truly gave a damn there would be no need for them. Or if we as consumers were more conscious they would not be necessary. But on the other hand, do I trust all businessmen, since $$ is the bottom line :-( to look out for our collective best interests? No. We live in a complex world no doubt. Unfortunately, the more crowded the world gets, the more everybody's "business" becomes more everybody else's "business". It is no longer so simple as "not to stick ones nose in someone else's 'business'." Believe me I wish it were!

moose

Amen my man :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Just trying to be helpful Don, but forget it I guess. If you expect to change everyone on the forum good luck. I was not disrespectful or hateful to you in contacting you. If you took it that way then that is you problem :) The lowering of expectations was in reference only to this forum, not the whole country. I take this forum for what I have found it to be. It has no real clout or power to get anything done. It is what it is. The "it" that I was referring was just as stated. Sometimes there will be a good conversation but mostly it will degrade to something less. Again, if you want to try to change everyone on here good luck and I wish you the best. My intent was not to "address any of your points". Again just trying to give some friendly advise about my observations about this forum. If you observe my posts I generally try to stay on track, but if someone casts the first stone, I am not above tossing back at times :). BTW I hate you not. Seems you are the one getting a bit hateful? And just what "one of them" do you refer? Seems if you see something in my "pseudo name" it is your own mind that reeks of the gutter, no?

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Oh yeah, if you are looking for plants or trolls just look to the corporate media. Plenty there. Bigger fish to fry and much more money to be made :P :P :P