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Oct 6, 2018 00:47:52   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
rumitoid wrote:
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the uncorroborated sexual assault allegations by three women. Let's say their statements were mistaken, misleading, or outright lies and, what the heck, let's even threw in a well-planned conspiracy by the democrats.

Let's secondly give Kavanaugh a pass on the fact he appeared to lie under oath about hid drinking. Two of his close Yale classmates and drinking-buddies described the nature of Kavanaugh's drinking in these terms: “drank heavily” and was a “sloppy drunk"; “deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself”; “frequent” and “heavy”; "often belligerent and aggressive,” (he got in bar fight and was questioned by police); would “slur” his words and would be seen “staggering.” Let's say they are just jealous liars.

Let's give another pass for his apparent lie about Ford's witnesses. He said they exonerated him, claiming they said it never happened. The didn't say that; they said they did not remember him or the event. Let's say Kavanaugh had been misinformed about their testimony or simply misunderstood what they had said.

Here is the airtight case: the nature of a judge. No matter what the circumstances or conditions, a judge, especially a Supreme Court judge, MUST REMAIN calm, thoughtful, impartial, open-minded, respectful, and mature. Kavanaugh has made it strikingly clear during his Senate Testimony that he is none of these things. He totally blew "impartiality" and "calm" with his spittle-flecked slanderous rant accusing the Democrats of wild and unfounded conspiracy theories. And then claimed "a Federal judge should be independent, not swayed by politics." He just disqualified himself with that comment by his attack on the Left. He cried about lifting weights with a friend back in HS. His visible anger undermining "thoughtful" and "mature." This is not a man to sit on the highest court of the land.
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the unco... (show quote)


So if I apply the principle of
rumitoid wrote:
"No matter what the circumstances or conditions, a judge, especially a Supreme Court judge, MUST REMAIN calm, thoughtful, impartial, open-minded, respectful, and mature. "
(First show me in the Constitution of the United States of America, that this is a requirement. And if it is so for a judge, regardless of rank (ie, City, State, Federal Judge) it would be covered under article 3 of the US Constitution. No where in Article 3 does it mention this as a requirement.

By the way, Article III, section one states: The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.)

also read by the constitution in Article II section 2, step 2 this: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

With that being said let us explore your "air tight case"

1. Judge Kavanaugh was questioned for over 30 hours and a record of 1287 questions and the Democrats have even more questions.

2. Judge Kavanaugh was subjected to 7 FBI investigations since 1992. As a result of these governmental and FBI investigations it is hard to conceive that the incident Mrs. Ford alleges is creditable.

3. Judge Kavanaugh's reaction to the death threats to him and his family, based upon the allegation of an alleged event, by senators in a conformation hearing is not honorable. It was not honorable for President Clinton to be questioned on his sexual impropriety in the 1990s with Paula Wilke and Monica Lewinski, as it is not honorable for Bret Kavanagh to be questioned on his sexual impropriety from high school over 30 years ago. Therefore his reaction is that of a man who was falsely accused, and that accusation caused the danger his family and that of Mrs. Ford.

4. Improper procedure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, by not keeping Mrs. Ford's allegation confidential is a disciplinary problem of and unbecoming of a US. Senator. Her actions shall go down in history, as the actions that could potentially destroy the Democrat party as a whole. But it is up to the Senators in the Senate to determine this. Sen. Grassley has already accused Senator Feinstein of this improper use of information. If Kavanaugh was questioned fairly and biasedly we would have a different outcome. Kavanaugh was honored by the whole body of Senators, until this confirmation hearing.

5. The actions of Brett Kavanaugh is normal for an American Citizen living in America today. After undergoing many questions, more so than any other candidate ever nominated for the supreme court, he was attacked through threats and character assassination, for him to keep his composure is not human. However, at first, as he was ignored, he categorically denied all the allegations. Until the Senators, the Democratic Senators started repeating their character assassination questions on him, did he act. His actions challenged the motive of their questions. As a result great disrespect of his dignity was comprised during the hearing.

But in my opinion the entirety of the above is just a bunch of mumble jumble and seemingly legal BS. The point I am making here is the Constitution protects people like Kavanaugh from such a despicable display of character assassination. The rule of law is simply this "The accused is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, by a jury of his peers."

Judge Kavanaugh is a lawyer, and a judge. Most of, if not all of the senators are lawyers. So the profession is the same and the judiciary committee can be considered a jury of his peers. In this light, by the nature of a us lawyer, for both the prosecution and defense, the accused is innocent until proven guilty. This did not happen. I expected one senator, usually from the minority, to act as a prosecuting attorney, where the majority is acting on behalf of the defense. This is a game the senate plays and has played for many years. With that being said, and with the fact that the 7th FBI report shows no corroboration with Mrs. Ford or any of his accusers, me as American public is calling foul!. The prosecution failed to prove its case. Let's confirm the judge.

If Judge Kavanaugh is not confirmed then we just as well as throw out the constitution, because we are not following it anymore.

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Oct 6, 2018 07:18:57   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
As to the title of this goofy thread...It just sprung a huge leak...LOL

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Oct 6, 2018 08:19:06   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rumitoid wrote:
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the uncorroborated sexual assault allegations by three women. Let's say their statements were mistaken, misleading, or outright lies and, what the heck, let's even threw in a well-planned conspiracy by the democrats.

Let's secondly give Kavanaugh a pass on the fact he appeared to lie under oath about hid drinking. Two of his close Yale classmates and drinking-buddies described the nature of Kavanaugh's drinking in these terms: “drank heavily” and was a “sloppy drunk"; “deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself”; “frequent” and “heavy”; "often belligerent and aggressive,” (he got in bar fight and was questioned by police); would “slur” his words and would be seen “staggering.” Let's say they are just jealous liars.

Let's give another pass for his apparent lie about Ford's witnesses. He said they exonerated him, claiming they said it never happened. The didn't say that; they said they did not remember him or the event. Let's say Kavanaugh had been misinformed about their testimony or simply misunderstood what they had said.

Here is the airtight case: the nature of a judge. No matter what the circumstances or conditions, a judge, especially a Supreme Court judge, MUST REMAIN calm, thoughtful, impartial, open-minded, respectful, and mature. Kavanaugh has made it strikingly clear during his Senate Testimony that he is none of these things. He totally blew "impartiality" and "calm" with his spittle-flecked slanderous rant accusing the Democrats of wild and unfounded conspiracy theories. And then claimed "a Federal judge should be independent, not swayed by politics." He just disqualified himself with that comment by his attack on the Left. He cried about lifting weights with a friend back in HS. His visible anger undermining "thoughtful" and "mature." This is not a man to sit on the highest court of the land.
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the unco... (show quote)


'The case against Kavanaugh's appointment airtight'
OOOOPS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbevg8lxiE0

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Oct 6, 2018 08:31:36   #
Mikeyavelli
 
rumitoid wrote:
I am well, thank you for asking, and I pray the same for you. "Thought provoking"? Thank you, but you may be the only one who thinks so.

It is so hard to respond to you at times. Meaning, I really respect you. Judicial demeanor is a real and very important thing, especially if sitting on the highest court in the land: Kavanaugh showed none of that. He launched into a highly partisan tirade with unsubstantiated facts against Democrats. Showing such extreme partiality, how could he sit on the bench? Being human does not mean being reduced to angry and disrespectful answers to (now we see it by his answers) the "opposing party" on the Committee.

"If someone falsely accused you and your daughters had to hear the prompted BS put out with nothing but unfounded allegations would you have stood without defending yourself??" There is a myriad of different and better ways to respond. He just reacted, not responded. Here is the best: "The allegations are false." End of story. To dignify unfounded allegations any more than that grows suspicious. But think about? What defense against "unfounded allegations"? What's to defend? Shadow boxing. The more energy one puts into it, the sillier or guiltier he or she looks--and they will never knock out their opponent.

His appeal with his righteously indignant response was to the Republican base. The Fear and anger crowd. Get 'em riled. Promote divisiveness. Cast the Democrats as conspiring and unscrupulous demons. Was he coached for that? Unknown. But it was effective. Not being a stately jurist, in the mold of Trump's actions, is raw meat.
I am well, thank you for asking, and I pray the sa... (show quote)

It's called fighting back. The republicans listened to stupidity like "we are better than that" , and "don't become them by sinking to their level" .
Trump wasn't supposed to win because he fought back. He isn't presidential. Does presidential mean taking blows from the left delivered to knock him out?
Is judicial accepting false, career ending accusations with a calm smile?
That's what you were expecting. Morals and feigned dignities can be posed after the battle is won.
Look for dignity in Kavanaugh when he's on the bench. He won.

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Oct 6, 2018 08:47:21   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
It's called fighting back. The republicans listened to stupidity like "we are better than that" , and "don't become them by sinking to their level" .
Trump wasn't supposed to win because he fought back. He isn't presidential. Does presidential mean taking blows from the left delivered to knock him out?
Is judicial accepting false, career ending accusations with a calm smile?
That's what you were expecting. Morals and feigned dignities can be posed after the battle is won.
Look for dignity in Kavanaugh when he's on the bench. He won.
It's called fighting back. The republicans listene... (show quote)


Yep!
Playing the Limbo Rock failed again;
How low could they go?
Now for November!
https://youtu.be/iTKj_Vd5_Bk

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Oct 6, 2018 10:02:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
rumitoid wrote:
I am well, thank you for asking, and I pray the same for you. "Thought provoking"? Thank you, but you may be the only one who thinks so.

It is so hard to respond to you at times. Meaning, I really respect you. Judicial demeanor is a real and very important thing, especially if sitting on the highest court in the land: Kavanaugh showed none of that. He launched into a highly partisan tirade with unsubstantiated facts against Democrats. Showing such extreme partiality, how could he sit on the bench? Being human does not mean being reduced to angry and disrespectful answers to (now we see it by his answers) the "opposing party" on the Committee.

"If someone falsely accused you and your daughters had to hear the prompted BS put out with nothing but unfounded allegations would you have stood without defending yourself??" There is a myriad of different and better ways to respond. He just reacted, not responded. Here is the best: "The allegations are false." End of story. To dignify unfounded allegations any more than that grows suspicious. But think about? What defense against "unfounded allegations"? What's to defend? Shadow boxing. The more energy one puts into it, the sillier or guiltier he or she looks--and they will never knock out their opponent.

His appeal with his righteously indignant response was to the Republican base. The Fear and anger crowd. Get 'em riled. Promote divisiveness. Cast the Democrats as conspiring and unscrupulous demons. Was he coached for that? Unknown. But it was effective. Not being a stately jurist, in the mold of Trump's actions, is raw meat.
I am well, thank you for asking, and I pray the sa... (show quote)


Thank you for your kind reply, rumi., I know we don’t see to eye on things but we do at least accept each others opinions.. Thats how this game is played... I come specifically for differring views..I want to know what other people think about certain subjects and I’m not offended by them so stating..Thus my respect for you too...

I do agree that there are a mirade of different ways someone’s rebuttal can be made....Perhaps a lesson in that part will be learned here? Also, I agree he reacted and allowed emotion to override in some aspects... shows the human element of people doesn’t it?

I do believe Feinstein handled this entire situation incorrectly and her motivation in doing so it’s pure retaliatory action against Trump and trying to stop the appointment of yet another constitutionalist from being appointed to the Supreme Court.

What a person did as a teenager or while in college seems your relevant when you look at the over 30 years of judicial service Kavanagh offered. The appointment of the supreme court should be based on experience and what that person accomplished in their career that brings them before a nomination..

We were all young once and we sure did things we wish we had not now. I loved my high school and college years and wouldn’t change a thing about them and I would be lying to say that I didn’t attend a few parties myself. It’s part of growing up in those years while formidable do not define the career you later take and your accomplishments in that field.

Our aspen trees are changing~~
Our aspen trees are changing~~...

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Oct 6, 2018 10:20:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank you for your kind reply, rumi., I know we don’t see to eye on things but we do at least accept each others opinions.. Thats how this game is played... I come specifically for differring views..I want to know what other people think about certain subjects and I’m not offended by them so stating..Thus my respect for you too...

I do agree that there are a mirade of different ways someone’s rebuttal can be made....Perhaps a lesson in that part will be learned here? Also, I agree he reacted and allowed emotion to override in some aspects... shows the human element of people doesn’t it?

I do believe Feinstein handled this entire situation incorrectly and her motivation in doing so it’s pure retaliatory action against Trump and trying to stop the appointment of yet another constitutionalist from being appointed to the Supreme Court.

What a person did as a teenager or while in college seems your relevant when you look at the over 30 years of judicial service Kavanagh offered. The appointment of the supreme court should be based on experience and what that person accomplished in their career that brings them before a nomination..

We were all young once and we sure did things we wish we had not now. I loved my high school and college years and wouldn’t change a thing about them and I would be lying to say that I didn’t attend a few parties myself. It’s part of growing up in those years while formidable do not define the career you later take and your accomplishments in that field.
Thank you for your kind reply, rumi., I know we do... (show quote)


Well stated LJ.

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Oct 6, 2018 10:32:20   #
trucksterbud
 
rumitoid wrote:
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the uncorroborated sexual assault allegations by three women. Let's say their statements were mistaken, misleading, or outright lies and, what the heck, let's even threw in a well-planned conspiracy by the democrats.

Let's secondly give Kavanaugh a pass on the fact he appeared to lie under oath about hid drinking. Two of his close Yale classmates and drinking-buddies described the nature of Kavanaugh's drinking in these terms: “drank heavily” and was a “sloppy drunk"; “deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself”; “frequent” and “heavy”; "often belligerent and aggressive,” (he got in bar fight and was questioned by police); would “slur” his words and would be seen “staggering.” Let's say they are just jealous liars.

Let's give another pass for his apparent lie about Ford's witnesses. He said they exonerated him, claiming they said it never happened. The didn't say that; they said they did not remember him or the event. Let's say Kavanaugh had been misinformed about their testimony or simply misunderstood what they had said.

Here is the airtight case: the nature of a judge. No matter what the circumstances or conditions, a judge, especially a Supreme Court judge, MUST REMAIN calm, thoughtful, impartial, open-minded, respectful, and mature. Kavanaugh has made it strikingly clear during his Senate Testimony that he is none of these things. He totally blew "impartiality" and "calm" with his spittle-flecked slanderous rant accusing the Democrats of wild and unfounded conspiracy theories. And then claimed "a Federal judge should be independent, not swayed by politics." He just disqualified himself with that comment by his attack on the Left. He cried about lifting weights with a friend back in HS. His visible anger undermining "thoughtful" and "mature." This is not a man to sit on the highest court of the land.
Let's begin by giving Kavanaugh a pass on the unco... (show quote)


There you go again, making fake judgements, as if you were some kind of court - on your own... Have you noticed,,, Kavanaugh is now in confirmation hearings..?? The Vote is today, Oct. 13 at 5 pm. Hope your head expoldes...

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Oct 6, 2018 10:40:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
trucksterbud wrote:
There you go again, making fake judgements, as if you were some kind of court - on your own... Have you noticed,,, Kavanaugh is now in confirmation hearings..?? The Vote is today, Oct. 13 at 5 pm. Hope your head expoldes...


"The Vote is today, Oct. 13 at 5 pm. Hope your head expoldes..."

It must have.
I wonder about Roids lower cheeks?

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Oct 6, 2018 10:45:55   #
Anne gill Loc: Philadelphia, pa
 
A Judge, Common Pleas, Circuit, District, Federal or Supreme, is charged with ruling by the "Letter of the Law". A Supreme Court Judge delves into Constitutional Law.
Most Americans have never read the Constitution to its conclusion and, if they did, they would have difficulty interpreting the meaning of the language in which it was written.
His Honors' temperament and "Spittle Fueled" tirade WAS disconcerting. This man was being publicly crucified by people WE have elected to some of the highest offices in the land. Neither Democrats OR Republicans presented themselves with decorum. THAT too, I found to be disconcerting.

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Oct 6, 2018 10:49:57   #
trucksterbud
 
buffalo wrote:
As to the title of this goofy thread...It just sprung a huge leak...LOL


In case you missed it, the court of public opinion is not a valid court.. Did ya miss that...??

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Oct 6, 2018 10:51:09   #
trucksterbud
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"The Vote is today, Oct. 13 at 5 pm. Hope your head expoldes..."

It must have.
I wonder about Roids lower cheeks?


Ha Ha.... blubblubblub….poof.....pow....splut…..

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Oct 6, 2018 10:56:19   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Anne gill wrote:
A Judge, Common Pleas, Circuit, District, Federal or Supreme, is charged with ruling by the "Letter of the Law". A Supreme Court Judge delves into Constitutional Law.
Most Americans have never read the Constitution to its conclusion and, if they did, they would have difficulty interpreting the meaning of the language in which it was written.
His Honors' temperament and "Spittle Fueled" tirade WAS disconcerting. This man was being publicly crucified by people WE have elected to some of the highest offices in the land. Neither Democrats OR Republicans presented themselves with decorum. THAT too, I found to be disconcerting.
A Judge, Common Pleas, Circuit, District, Federal ... (show quote)


"THAT too, I found to be disconcerting"
I am sure you did, Anne.

"A Supreme Court Judge delves into Constitutional Law."
And so he will.

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Oct 6, 2018 10:58:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
buffalo wrote:
As to the title of this goofy thread...It just sprung a huge leak...LOL


"As to the title of this goofy thread...It just sprung a huge leak...."
We are surmising the same for Roid.

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Oct 6, 2018 12:10:46   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
trucksterbud wrote:
In case you missed it, the court of public opinion is not a valid court.. Did ya miss that...??


Nope...I predicted some days ago the Kavanaugh would be confirmed because I knew then that bitch Ford was lying and the case against Kavanaugh was all conspiracy and collusion. Missed nothing...!

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