Comment Loc: California

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Ve'hoe

That is not true, religion gives us a list of rules to aspire to,, do you throw the whole thing out if you cant hit them all, or keep trying?

The person who fails, and keeps trying is the religious one, and the one I prefer to live around. The one who says, "He failed so his religion is bullshit" (Ie: YOU) is neither a better man nor a more moral man, he just has the advantage of no written record of his failures.

I prefer sins of commission not sins of ommission.

vernon

dont answer him he gets off when he gets a rise out of someone

Loki Loc: Georgia

Does this mean I should get a refund on those Papal indulgences I bought on e bay?

Ve'hoe

Depends on whether you used them or not...

Loki Loc: Georgia

They didn't work. Seems like the Pope can't absolve you after all.

Ve'hoe

Go Figure!!

Blacksheep

As soon as possible. Hurry before they expire. :-D

Blacksheep

Would you care to tell us which sins you commit? Go ahead, we'll wait while you draw up the list. :D

Comment Loc: California

I too was very poor while growing up. 7 kids. For months we had only a thousand things to eat, Pinto beans. No indoor plumbing. Never got a nickel in free stuff. I always had 1 pair of shoes, two pair of jeans and tree shirts. That's all I ever had until I was 15 and started cleaning manure from barns and chicken houses. I didn't know how I was going to break out of my economic status but, I knew that I would work hard to climb that mountain. That's what my parents taught us. Not one of my siblings remained in poverty. I guess that's what made this ole Ozark Mountain Hillbilly tough. If my siblings and I can do it every body can.-----if they want to. But, no ! It's too easy to sit at home where everything around is paid for by the gov. Welfare pays more than minimum wage. Welfare is evil because it removes one's motivation to work.

teaman

The main reason I rarely post God's message here is because faith and believe in Jesus is a personal thing that should be conveyed in person when possible. Most people do not study the Bible even though they may occasionally read it/parts of it anyway! To answer your question why True Christians are conservative, please read the following;(and as you are reading this, please remember, Jesus NEVER HELPED ANYONE WHO "HAD THE ABILITY TO HELP THEMSELFS")

KEEP JESUS OUT OF YOUR SOCIALISM


From the words of Jesus and the New Testament, ministering to the poor and the needy among us is the work of Christian individuals and the church, not the secular government. Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. . . ." Today's Religious Left wants to change that to, "He has anointed the federal government to preach good news to the poor."

The Christian gospel is a message of salvation, not a message of income redistribution and raising our neighbor's taxes. Jesus said that the way to serve the poor is by giving generously of our own resources. "But when you give a banquet," He said in Luke 14, "invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

The Religious Left is very generous -- with other people's money. In fact, I believe the founder of the Religious Left was none other than Judas Iscariot. When Mary, the sister of Lazarus, anointed Jesus with costly perfume just days before the crucifixion, Judas lectured her and said, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor?"

Notice that Judas put on a show of caring for the poor -- even though the money was Mary's, not his! The motives of Judas, John 12:6 tells us, were corrupt and self-centered -- and Jesus responded with a stinging rebuke.

At least one of the Lord's disciples was a "social action Christian" in the Sojourners mold: Simon Zelotes (Simon the Zealot). Just as Sojourners president Jim Wallis was once president of the Michigan State chapter of the militant Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Simon Zelotes was a young political radical who attached himself to Jesus because he thought Jesus would lead a revolt against the Roman Empire.

Simon saw Jesus as a political Messiah who would topple the powerful while lifting up the poor and oppressed(EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN OBAMA). But Jesus was not a political Messiah. He didn't attack the Roman Empire. He did battle with the Evil Empire of Satan himself.

Jesus didn't tell the Roman government what its budget priorities should be. Why? Because His agenda was much larger than the agenda of Simon Zelotes or the Religious Left. His eyes were fixed on eternity. He said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

The Religious Left has missed the meaning of that statement. Yes, there is a place for Christian social action -- but that place is in a personal lifestyle of generosity and compassion to the poor. Jesus didn't tell the rich young ruler to become a political activist and affect public policy. He said, "Go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

It's true, there's poverty in America, and some of the poor can't lift themselves out of poverty without help. Some are physically or socially disadvantaged. Some are down on their luck. They need and deserve Christian compassion and the good news of the gospel.

But a huge number of people receiving government assistance are substance abusers, welfare cheats, or chronically lazy. Doesn't the Bible tell us, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Thessalonians 3:10)? Why must the "makers" of society support the "takers" of society? That's not compassion. That's theft. Wouldn't it be more compassionate to encourage the takers to develop self-respect by becoming productive citizens?

Would Jesus endorse government policies that encourage and enable addiction, indolence, and welfare fraud? Certainly not. The Religious Left should read His parables, especially the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), the Parable of the Vineyards (Matthew 20:1-16), and the Parable of the Tenants (Matthew 21:33-46). In those parables, Jesus blesses hard work, personal responsibility, and the freedom to achieve.

Government programs can't separate the truly needy from the welfare cheats -- but private Christian charities can. Private charities are far more effective than government at meeting needs, changing lives, eliminating fraud and waste, and dispensing compassion. Our stance as Christians should be pro-compassion, not pro-bureaucracy.

The place for compassionate Christian social action is in the church, and in the lives of individual believers. When the church becomes a political pressure group, telling the government, "Confiscate more wealth from those who earned it and give it to those who have not," then the church has formed an unholy union with the kingdoms of this world.

Income redistribution is not Christianity. It's Marxism -- and mixing the two only pollutes the Gospel and betrays the Great Commission.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

skott Loc: Bama

It was a good comment. So we should teach them to fish, but we still feed them while we are teaching them. I'm all for that. I don't advocate just letting people stay at home. Our current welfare system has many problems that could be cured. The problem is the cures aren't allowed, by people who just want it gone.

skott Loc: Bama

Tasine, read the post on page 9 by a conservative. He just made the same case that I talked about my conservative friends making. He told why we should not be truly helping the poor. He had to pick and choose from the Bible verses to get there.

vernon

i personally know people who have never worked in their life some of them havent had jobs for generations ,i dont really pay much attention to reports or studies that really just set out to prove what they want to hear

Retired669

Even when they are by your fellow cons who would just as soon screw you as they would anyone else? :mrgreen: