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Sep 3, 2018 18:15:54   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:

Obama spent far to much effort trying to work with congress.. he should have stressed executive privilege much more.


Now that's a stupid statement.

Obama was a punk. On his best day.

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Sep 3, 2018 18:16:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
"he federal debt held by the public stood at nearly $15.5 trillion at the last count on July 9 — more than $1 trillion more than when he took office. That’s a 7.5 percent increase under Trump. And that figure will go up even faster in coming years unless Trump and Congress impose massive spending cuts, or reverse course and increase taxes."

Or do as is now happening and increase revenue due to more money being made which is then taxed. The tax rate need not be high if enough taxable money is being made. This includes money from more businesses and more and better income. Nor could anyone expect the debt to be turned around so soon. The interest is astronomical. If increase revenue goes high enough for long enough, the debt may actually come down. Now before anyone claims it did under Clinton, that is not true. The deficit was reversed but the debt was unaffected. Even if Clinton had used the surplus to pay down the debt instead of giving a small check to every American; it would not have come close to paying a fraction of one interest payment.
"he federal debt held by the public stood at ... (show quote)




Tax revenue is down for the year.. you get confused by looking at April which had very high payments.. a number of companies took advantage and paid next years tax this year and saved money..

Look it up..



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Sep 3, 2018 18:19:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
"In 1982, Iran filed a claim with the Tribunal pertaining to the FMS Trust Fund, which Lisa Grosh, Assistant Legal Advisor at the Department of State, has described as “a multi-billion dollar breach-of-contract dispute covering 1,126 huge military sales contracts.”"

Yup. Iran was in breach of contract when they suddenly cancelled their contract of arms already in the works. As for the $400 million, almost half the weapons had been delivered. More were delivered under Carter and more under Reagan in the Iran Contra affair. Other arms were unusable as they are specific to Iran's needs and could not be used by the US Military nor could be sold elsewhere. Yet they still claimed the entire $400 million plus interest!
"In 1982, Iran filed a claim with the Tribuna... (show quote)




this was all about fighter aircraft.. not weapons delivered... plains... 80 air craft delivered, used to this day.. repair parts smuggled in..

the 400 mil was down pay for new order.. end of lesson..



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Sep 3, 2018 18:39:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Im sorry as you know I usually do post a link.. Just forgot it in my haste for two days of celebrations now... The stand down comment was mine and he held our friggen military back all through the Middle East not letting them achieve a damn thing you whining hypocrite..
Amazing what can be achieved when the President listens to his seasoned well expierenced General that kick ass in words let alone putting them in charge of succeedng!!!You bet your sweet as* bo gave standing Orders to stand down!!!!!
My god look at the difference between what he did not accomplish in the Middle East and what Trump has accomplished in less than two years no less, give me a freaking break!
Here it is ~~Egg on your face is becoming...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-isra-terrorism-funding/
Im sorry as you know I usually do post a link.. Ju... (show quote)




no stand down order was given.. your own GOP 7th investigation stated that publicly..

HA HA HA,,, trump did change one thing and it was important.. he let the generals make local battle decisions.. other wise the strategy was the one developed by Obama and the general before the orange one
knew we had a war..



Did you read you info on your link>>...

It is of course nothing like what the right wing wishes it was.. President Obama had nothing to do with it.. but read the statement.

Nothing more then a glitch between group and lost paper work. the right wing will never stop the claims the wish were true.. but this is not..



he Obama administration approved the transfer of funding to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based organization with ties to Al-Qaeda.

RATING
TRUE
WHAT'S TRUE
In May 2015, the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control licensed World Vision International, a Christian NGO, to pay the $125,000 it owed to the Islamic Relief Agency. The same Treasury office had, a few months earlier, confirmed that the Islamic Relief Agency was on a Treasury list of suspected terrorist funders.


Sequence of Events

In March 2014, USAID signed off on a $723,405 grant to World Vision, with ISRA designated to receive a $200,000 sub-grant from that amount. A World Vision official closely involved in the matter told us that, before listing ISRA as a sub-grantee, the organization had searched the Treasury’s “Sanctions List” for any group operating in Sudan with “Islamic Relief” in their name but turned up no matches, indicating ISRA was not blocked. A USAID official told us that the $200,000 set aside for ISRA was to go towards humanitarian aid to people displaced by the ongoing conflict in Sudan at that time.

In November 2014, according to the World Vision official with whom we spoke, the organization was alerted to the possibility that ISRA might be on the Treasury’s list of blocked groups and conveyed those concerns to the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which is responsible for implementing and tracking economic sanctions.

The official told us that World Vision then voluntarily stopped working with ISRA while OFAC investigated ISRA’s status. This contradicted the account of a USAID official, who told us that USAID had instructed World Vision to put a hold on all their activities with ISRA.

The World Vision official broadly confirmed MEF’s claims, which were based on emails released under the Freedom of Information Act, that World Vision was eager for OFAC to quickly clarify the status of ISRA, telling us that the organization was frustrated by the delay in what should have been a straightforward verification of records.

In January 2015, OFAC finally confirmed that the Sudan-based Islamic Relief Agency to which USAID had granted $200,000 was indeed on the U.S. Treasury’s sanctions list. This meant World Vision (like any other U.S.-based entity or person) could not provide ISRA any support or engage in any financial transactions with that group.

However, World Vision still owed ISRA money for services ISRA had already provided in Sudan, on the basis of the $200,000 sub-grant awarded by USAID the previous March. But OFAC’s January 2015 ruling meant that ISRA could not be reimbursed for that work, so World Vision applied to OFAC for a license to meet those contractual obligations.

The World Vision official told us that the indefinite halt to their work with ISRA had put a severe strain on World Vision’s relationship with the Sudanese government. World Vision staff in Sudan had been experiencing harassment related to their debts to ISRA, the official said, and they felt they were at real risk of being kicked out of the country altogether — which would have spelled the end of their humanitarian work there. Paying their remaining debts to ISRA felt like the cost and condition of World Vision’s being allowed to continue working in Sudan, the official told us.

In the end, OFAC accepted World Vision’s application and granted them a license for a one-off transfer of $125,000 to ISRA, which a USAID official told us was for humanitarian assistance work that ISRA had already performed.

A World Vision spokesperson told us that the $125,000 transferred to ISRA came from “USAID funds,” confirming both the Middle East Forum and Fox News’ description of it as “taxpayer money.” In a statement, the spokesperson wrote:

World Vision received reimbursement of $125,000 from USAID of funds paid to ISRA for expenses they incurred and reported under that sub-grant.

Conclusion

The Middle East Forum is correct in their central claim that an office of the Treasury Department, which had confirmed ISRA was listed as a sanctioned entity, subsequently permitted a private NGO (World Vision) to transfer funds to ISRA.

Insofar as every office and agency of every federal government department between 2009 and 2016 was a part of the “Obama administration,” it can justifiably be said that this decision was made by the Obama administration. However, we saw no evidence that the decision was made by anyone beyond OFAC, least of all by President Obama himself.

We asked the Treasury Department which official directed the license to be given to World Vision for the May 2015 transfer, but an official told us OFAC does not discuss or comment on individual cases. We also contacted John Smith, who was OFAC’s director during the period outlined by the Middle East Forum, but did not receive a response in time for publication

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Sep 3, 2018 18:44:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Now that's a stupid statement.

Obama was a punk. On his best day.




Yet the orange ding bat will never ever reach that mans excellence..



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Sep 3, 2018 20:35:30   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
permafrost wrote:
no stand down order was given.. your own GOP 7th investigation stated that publicly..

HA HA HA,,, trump did change one thing and it was important.. he let the generals make local battle decisions.. other wise the strategy was the one developed by Obama and the general before the orange one
knew we had a war..



Did you read you info on your link>>...

It is of course nothing like what the right wing wishes it was.. President Obama had nothing to do with it.. but read the statement.

Nothing more then a glitch between group and lost paper work. the right wing will never stop the claims the wish were true.. but this is not..



he Obama administration approved the transfer of funding to the Islamic Relief Agency, a Sudan-based organization with ties to Al-Qaeda.

RATING
TRUE
WHAT'S TRUE
In May 2015, the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control licensed World Vision International, a Christian NGO, to pay the $125,000 it owed to the Islamic Relief Agency. The same Treasury office had, a few months earlier, confirmed that the Islamic Relief Agency was on a Treasury list of suspected terrorist funders.


Sequence of Events

In March 2014, USAID signed off on a $723,405 grant to World Vision, with ISRA designated to receive a $200,000 sub-grant from that amount. A World Vision official closely involved in the matter told us that, before listing ISRA as a sub-grantee, the organization had searched the Treasury’s “Sanctions List” for any group operating in Sudan with “Islamic Relief” in their name but turned up no matches, indicating ISRA was not blocked. A USAID official told us that the $200,000 set aside for ISRA was to go towards humanitarian aid to people displaced by the ongoing conflict in Sudan at that time.

In November 2014, according to the World Vision official with whom we spoke, the organization was alerted to the possibility that ISRA might be on the Treasury’s list of blocked groups and conveyed those concerns to the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), which is responsible for implementing and tracking economic sanctions.

The official told us that World Vision then voluntarily stopped working with ISRA while OFAC investigated ISRA’s status. This contradicted the account of a USAID official, who told us that USAID had instructed World Vision to put a hold on all their activities with ISRA.

The World Vision official broadly confirmed MEF’s claims, which were based on emails released under the Freedom of Information Act, that World Vision was eager for OFAC to quickly clarify the status of ISRA, telling us that the organization was frustrated by the delay in what should have been a straightforward verification of records.

In January 2015, OFAC finally confirmed that the Sudan-based Islamic Relief Agency to which USAID had granted $200,000 was indeed on the U.S. Treasury’s sanctions list. This meant World Vision (like any other U.S.-based entity or person) could not provide ISRA any support or engage in any financial transactions with that group.

However, World Vision still owed ISRA money for services ISRA had already provided in Sudan, on the basis of the $200,000 sub-grant awarded by USAID the previous March. But OFAC’s January 2015 ruling meant that ISRA could not be reimbursed for that work, so World Vision applied to OFAC for a license to meet those contractual obligations.

The World Vision official told us that the indefinite halt to their work with ISRA had put a severe strain on World Vision’s relationship with the Sudanese government. World Vision staff in Sudan had been experiencing harassment related to their debts to ISRA, the official said, and they felt they were at real risk of being kicked out of the country altogether — which would have spelled the end of their humanitarian work there. Paying their remaining debts to ISRA felt like the cost and condition of World Vision’s being allowed to continue working in Sudan, the official told us.

In the end, OFAC accepted World Vision’s application and granted them a license for a one-off transfer of $125,000 to ISRA, which a USAID official told us was for humanitarian assistance work that ISRA had already performed.

A World Vision spokesperson told us that the $125,000 transferred to ISRA came from “USAID funds,” confirming both the Middle East Forum and Fox News’ description of it as “taxpayer money.” In a statement, the spokesperson wrote:

World Vision received reimbursement of $125,000 from USAID of funds paid to ISRA for expenses they incurred and reported under that sub-grant.

Conclusion

The Middle East Forum is correct in their central claim that an office of the Treasury Department, which had confirmed ISRA was listed as a sanctioned entity, subsequently permitted a private NGO (World Vision) to transfer funds to ISRA.

Insofar as every office and agency of every federal government department between 2009 and 2016 was a part of the “Obama administration,” it can justifiably be said that this decision was made by the Obama administration. However, we saw no evidence that the decision was made by anyone beyond OFAC, least of all by President Obama himself.

We asked the Treasury Department which official directed the license to be given to World Vision for the May 2015 transfer, but an official told us OFAC does not discuss or comment on individual cases. We also contacted John Smith, who was OFAC’s director during the period outlined by the Middle East Forum, but did not receive a response in time for publication
no stand down order was given.. your own GOP 7th i... (show quote)


Obama knew what he was doing and had been doing all along.. He owns it big boy..

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Sep 3, 2018 22:17:54   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lindajoy wrote:
Obama knew what he was doing and had been doing all along.. He owns it big boy..

Yes.

Perm pretty much admits Obama could have taken ISIS out any time has wanted to.

It makes you wonder why Obama and his sheep have such an affinity for terrorists.

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Sep 3, 2018 23:05:27   #
Davelaw
 
permafrost wrote:
Yet the orange ding bat will never ever reach that mans excellence..


LOL ! you are typical left/liberal loon



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Sep 4, 2018 08:45:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
lindajoy wrote:
Obama knew what he was doing and had been doing all along.. He owns it big boy..




The right seems to be foundering this week..


"Insofar as every office and agency of every federal government department between 2009 and 2016 was a part of the “Obama administration,” it can justifiably be said that this decision was made by the Obama administration. However, we saw no evidence that the decision was made by anyone beyond OFAC, least of all by President Obama himself."

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Sep 4, 2018 08:59:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Yes.

Perm pretty much admits Obama could have taken ISIS out any time has wanted to.

It makes you wonder why Obama and his sheep have such an affinity for terrorists.




that is a dumb conclusion if i ever heard one..

The operation was far from a 30 day operation, contrary to what the orange cyst mouthed off about..

It, as any good military operation, was done in a methodical orderly manner.. it took years and is still ongoing.. may never end..

You concern and fear of terrorists is misplaced if you live in the US.. killing by our own local nut cases is higher then in any country with guns or without..

So While trump talks with Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, while forbidding the Afghanistan govt for being included..

You are still bitching about the strategy fighting ISIS was to slow!!

Lets see.. ISIS, a factor for 5 years, Al-Qaeda for 17 years, but your war lord is now talking it over with the terrorists.. asking what they want, what they will trade..

maybe they will let the US corporations mine the minerals and have the fighting only in the villages..

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Sep 4, 2018 08:59:40   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
The right seems to be foundering this week..


"Insofar as every office and agency of every federal government department between 2009 and 2016 was a part of the “Obama administration,” it can justifiably be said that this decision was made by the Obama administration. However, we saw no evidence that the decision was made by anyone beyond OFAC, least of all by President Obama himself."
So he just appointed corrupt people and closed his eyes.

Wow. That's so much better.

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Sep 4, 2018 09:01:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Davelaw wrote:
LOL ! you are typical left/liberal loon





Damn, that photo shows that I must be conservative.. I hate when that happens..



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Sep 4, 2018 09:08:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
So he just appointed corrupt people and closed his eyes.

Wow. That's so much better.




Wow, a trump disciple calling anyone else corrupt is a leap indeed>..LOL silly, beyond dumb...





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Sep 4, 2018 10:07:24   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
permafrost wrote:
Is that all you simpering wimps got from my post, that i want to keep helping refugees??? Stupid beyond the pale..

But as your are all talking about refugees/terrorists, do you think all those half starved pitiful people in the camps are terrorists??

OK, you probably do... So then, should we keep our troops in the sand pile??

think hard, honestly, would you not like to have our tax money spent here rather the rescuing some dumb brown person who has never seen the internet.. and will simply eat up food and use up space.

If we spend it at home, we can have more gated communities and closed up golf courses.. How can you not see, it could bring all the things you love..

No need to help anyone..especially if they are over there..

wake up and do what your orange thing expects you do want..
Is that all you simpering wimps got from my post, ... (show quote)


perma, that last photo( on page one) is incorrect, that’s a picture of one ugly tranny. Someone who hates America almost as much as that feckless thing called hiLIARy.

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Sep 4, 2018 14:36:26   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
As I am not a lawyer or a Judge, it is not for me to interpret law.. I have to go along with the courts/judges decisions..

In a few years, thanks to McConnel, you will run with that idea and warble like a chickadee.. over how the law is interpreted..

From before he was elected the orange guy has shown his love and care for Putin.. he does nothing against Russia unless he can be forced..

Obama spent far to much effort trying to work with congress.. he should have stressed executive privilege much more.
As I am not a lawyer or a Judge, it is not for me ... (show quote)


Obama did not work closer with Congress. When they disagreed he simply bypassed them taking on their authority as if it were executive privilege. GW Bush did thew same, but Obama far more. This undermines our constitution. Being vocal in disagreeing, but sticking with the constitutional rights and responsibilities is far more preferable than not saying anything negative but doing as you choose despite the constitution.

I take back what I wrote elsewhere that Obama should have read the US Constitution. I don't really think he didn't understand the Constitution. But that he simply decided to ignore it. Perhaps he thought most Americans wouldn't know because civics haven't been taught in public schools for so long. He made statements which underscore his dismissiveness regarding the US Constitution. He said, "The US Constitution is just a piece of parchment." and "Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism." And he spoke of the failings of the US Constitution in NOT redistributing wealth. "But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth... ...as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution" So clearly Obama felt our constitution was a hindrance to his own version of what American should be.

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