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Mar 8, 2014 08:32:13   #
jackmcgr1
 
Maybe, more states needs to do what Colorado did when they are DISSATISFIED with their Elected Official and that is to RECALL THEM! Senators John Morse and Angela Giron were OUSTED September 10, 2013 for SUPPORTING AND PASSING STRICTER GUN LAWS. WHY WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mar 8, 2014 09:33:35   #
wvhilljack
 
I agree with term limits, but I would like to see two year election cycles with the possibility of being elected for a total of four terms max or a maximum of eight years total. The President should also be changed to three year terms with a possible two term or six years total. If we could get this passed, it would permanently change the American political establishment for the good forever.

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Mar 8, 2014 09:50:16   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Terry Hamblin wrote:
MrEd, good post. People can say what they want about cutting and pasting but to get it right, do as I do, cut and paste! There are 35 states presently pressing for a Constitutional Congress, I think that 3 or 4 more are necessary to force such a huge face off. The best thing is that the Constitution allows this confrontation and in fact suggests it, if the Fed. gets out of line, which it has been for years! The reluctant states are quailing because they are totally dependent upon Federal funding. The answer to that is SHIFT FOR YOURSELF OR FUSE WITH ANOTHER STATE, Stop the pussy stuff! The States are the basis and backbone of the Constitution and our Country, they need to exert their power, NOW!
BTW, there are some really good comments in this particular Forum, Congrats ya'all!
MrEd, good post. People can say what they want abo... (show quote)

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I've written on other forums that the federal government should have never been given any authority to meddle in people's lives, such as taxing citizens in any way, shape or form. The states should decided if they want to support a budget the feds propose, then either fund it or not fund it from state coffers. If the states cannot arrive at a conclusion satisfactory to all, the budget doesn't get funded. The states will of course have to wring the money out of the citizens, but if logic reigned (perish the thought) each state has more right to tax than does the federal government. States are constitutionally responsible for its citizens' well being. The feds are constitutionally responsible for our safety from foreign invaders - NOT all the crap they now see as "theirs" to dictate. It is how it gets its power and can eventually any day they choose, overthrow our form of government. With states holding the purse strings, anyone in the federal government would have a hard time overthrowing it. (We now know how easy that little task is).

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Mar 8, 2014 09:53:24   #
Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City
 
Good idea, but...
The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution reserves such things as term limits to the States. So, if you want an 8 or 6 year limit for those in Congress, you have to have it happen 50 times, once for each State.

artrans26fe wrote:
If the president of the US gets a 8 year max term, it should be the same for congress persons. Get out and vote for a new law for congress.

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Mar 8, 2014 10:26:07   #
Don DeHoff
 
Any change will require an Amendment to the Constitution and we need to change more than just the term issue---it is proven that congresspersons and the President can get into a lot of trouble in 8 years. I suggest term limits of one 4-year term for the house, one 6-year term for the Senate and one 4-year term for the president. It was never intended that there would be such an animal as a "career politician" who could retire as a millionaire. Also, both house and senate members, if qualified, could run for the presidency, but first, they would have to resign their present elected office. Also a house member could run for the senate, but again only if they resigned their house seat. And, senators would be prohibited from running for a house seat. Pensions would be a government nation-wide plan, open to all local, state and federal elected or appointed officials and funded by the agency they represent. Their pension plan would be a fully portable, contributory, defined contribution plan that could be moved to any new contribution plan in the private or public sector. Individual pensions at retirement would be that amount the individuals fund would support. Also, all congressional salaries should be paid by the states that they represent, with a cap of 3-times the median annual salary of the citizens in their state---when their citizens make more, the congressperson can make more. The present method of the federal government paying for congressional services, generates a "loyalty" (or intimidation) issue for each member. We also need a simplified method of recalling congress persons, "for cause"---if we "can vote them in" we should be able to "vote them out" and not have to wait for their term to expire. There is much more, but time is of the essence.

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Mar 8, 2014 10:27:13   #
grace scott
 
banjojack wrote:
But if politicians can't keep getting re-elected time after time after time, so they spend 20 years in DC, they can't protect us from career politicians.


:thumbup: :D :lol: :D :thumbup:

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Mar 8, 2014 10:58:38   #
ibKelly
 
wvhilljack wrote:
I agree with term limits, but I would like to see two year election cycles with the possibility of being elected for a total of four terms max or a maximum of eight years total. The President should also be changed to three year terms with a possible two term or six years total. If we could get this passed, it would permanently change the American political establishment for the good forever.


I agree whole heartedly with that. It only gives those who have devious means while in office of getting what they set out to do.. much like Obama has done. He didnt get what he wanted on his first 4... now he has 4 more to do it in.

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Mar 8, 2014 11:16:40   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
ibKelly wrote:
I agree whole heartedly with that. It only gives those who have devious means while in office of getting what they set out to do.. much like Obama has done. He didnt get what he wanted on his first 4... now he has 4 more to do it in.


:thumbup: :thumbup: And he is going to make the best of it!

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Mar 8, 2014 11:50:04   #
ibKelly
 
Tasine wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: And he is going to make the best of it!


.............yeah.. and his idiot wife will be charging more and more expensive dresses before she leaves and take as many expensive vacations she wants to see as well... Her greed hath no conscience....

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Mar 8, 2014 12:12:14   #
jackmcgr1
 
I guess we don't have to do anything about the Big Corporations who have turned our Elected Officials into Corrupted Officials. You know, the Koch Brothers, Big Oil and Gas Industry, the Pharmaceutical Industry, Wall Street, the Two Big to Fail and Jail Banks, the Military- Industrial Complex, the Auto Industry, the Insurance Industry and all the Super Packs who have Pumped Campaign Money to Congress and to the President. The Big Corporations are running the country, Congress and the President are just PUPPETS ON A STRING WITH THEIR HANDS EXTENDED OUTWARD, LIKE BEGGARS!

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Mar 8, 2014 12:26:31   #
Don DeHoff
 
Tasine wrote:
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I've written on other forums that the federal government should have never been given any authority to meddle in people's lives, such as taxing citizens in any way, shape or form. The states should decided if they want to support a budget the feds propose, then either fund it or not fund it from state coffers. If the states cannot arrive at a conclusion satisfactory to all, the budget doesn't get funded. The states will of course have to wring the money out of the citizens, but if logic reigned (perish the thought) each state has more right to tax than does the federal government. States are constitutionally responsible for its citizens' well being. The feds are constitutionally responsible for our safety from foreign invaders - NOT all the crap they now see as "theirs" to dictate. It is how it gets its power and can eventually any day they choose, overthrow our form of government. With states holding the purse strings, anyone in the federal government would have a hard time overthrowing it. (We now know how easy that little task is).
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Sir, surely you jest. It takes money, and lots of it, to support a military, navy, FAA, social security , highway systems and thousands of other required functions. Neither this country nor the 50 states could exist, without tax revenue. In the past (and now the present administration) tried to "just print money". They tell a story of a shopper in Germany, after WW-I, took a wheelbarrow load of his country's money to a store to buy groceries. He left the load of money in a corner, went shopping and returned to get his money to pay he bill---the money was there but the wheelbarrow was gone. Sir, just how would you run a country without money?---you would not even have a sidewalk or a paved street to travel or a policeman, street cleaner----chaos or anarchy would prevail. The 16th Amendment (ratified by 3/4 of the states), clearly states, "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived.....". Keep in mind, the two mottos that have contributed to the success of this great country, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall", and "...Because, without America, there is no Free World". Again, what is your solution, in some detail? Please.

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Mar 8, 2014 12:59:28   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
jackmcgr1 wrote:
I guess we don't have to do anything about the Big Corporations who have turned our Elected Officials into Corrupted Officials. You know, the Koch Brothers, Big Oil and Gas Industry, the Pharmaceutical Industry, Wall Street, the Two Big to Fail and Jail Banks, the Military- Industrial Complex, the Auto Industry, the Insurance Industry and all the Super Packs who have Pumped Campaign Money to Congress and to the President. The Big Corporations are running the country, Congress and the President are just PUPPETS ON A STRING WITH THEIR HANDS EXTENDED OUTWARD, LIKE BEGGARS!
I guess we don't have to do anything about the Big... (show quote)

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Just proves that to have a representative government, and electing corruptable people, that voters have little sense. And no integrity. We should elect people of character instead of charlatans who blackmail people into having to pay them to get them to do ANYTHING. We elect these people to do the best for us - we don't elect the businesses to do anything for us. Put the blame where it belongs - on corrupt politicians!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Mar 8, 2014 13:04:39   #
bobgssc
 
Tasine wrote:
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Welcome to 1PP, artrans26fe!

Your suggestion is a good one, but as another poster said, we should make every elected official's tenure no longer than 2 years, and retirement income should be eliminated. Pay them for the time they are there, then quit paying them altogether. They aren't worth much in office and are worth absolutely NOTHING out of office. They don't need retirement as they get wealthy on the speech circuit after office, and we cannot afford to pay it.

The degree of corruption that they can amass over a 20-30 year tenure is unspeakable and unforgivable. We need to cut 'em off at the pass!
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But if we did that, only those who actually wanted to do good for the country would apply! Utter lunacy! ;-)

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Mar 8, 2014 13:11:39   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
bobgssc wrote:
But if we did that, only those who actually wanted to do good for the country would apply! Utter lunacy! ;-)


:cry: :cry: :cry: I know. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Mar 8, 2014 13:29:01   #
pixie
 
ibKelly wrote:
Im all for that... cause all those Congressmen do is stay in Office and make millions off the Lobbists. They dont do it for the good of the people.. they work for the good of themselves. In the first place... where can you get a job who only works 6 months of a year and collects umpteen $$$$$$ for just walking around acting like Mr/Mrs.. Big Shot... We need Maxine Waters, and that other loud mouth companion of her's out of there and give someone else a chance to serve the people. Nancy Pelosi will stay there for ever... and she's so rich now, she doesnt need to work. Wouldnt you hate for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to be in the Senate...?

We also need a more thorough examination of the President too...all of their background and marriages and they should be made to produce and thoroughly examine their BC and College records and past crimes!! I feel if this had of been done with Obama, he wouldnt have been elected as Dog Catcher...and it needs to be examined by the FBI too...We need a squeakly clean person to serve our country.

If we wanted to choose a Dr.. to take care of our health... would we choose a person with a tarnished character...? I think not...
Im all for that... cause all those Congressmen do ... (show quote)


great post and i agree!.... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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