petertimber

[quote=jonhatfield]Just $$$? Nothing to do with freedom and self-government? Certainly a lot of contradictions. You have your eye on the money. I have my eye on the future of freedom and self-government. You distrust our government and its intentions. I trust America, its government, its leaders, and all their intentions (aware, of course, that mistakes are made). Perhaps we are both partly right and partly wrong?

For some strange reason, my computer got to the referenced 'not available' (ooooh, coonnnssssspppppiiiirrraaccyy) website after webpage saying not available but with same web address you cited as 'do you mean' address...which then went to the site. Weird...no doubt you would think a conspiracy to hide the truth like the rightwingnut OPP faction thinks...or don't you belong to that faction? :roll: That's all right if you want to believe the 'follow the $$$' idea...plenty of leftwingnuts with the same 'follow the money' thinking. :P

Aren't we both ridiculous? you with your distrusting and me with my trusting? :-P :-P

petertimber

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I am reminded of the old indian adage: "white man speaks with forked tongue"

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

The 2.3% Medical Excise Tax that began on January 1st is supposed to be "hidden" from the consumer, but it's been brought to the public's attention by hunting and fishing store Cabela's who have refused to hide it and are showing it as a separate line item tax on their receipts, the email states.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Go to this site and see how sly taxes can be taken out of our pockets.

Cabela's Exposes Medical Device Tax.....on Fishing Rods? (=>)

Patty

No I think after the completely unprovoked invasions since Clinton of Serbia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Honduras, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia I would say you are actually the ridiculous one.

Patty

Peter what I find even scarier is that many will have their family homes taken away because of this.
"Here’s why dropping the asset test got the BINGO – Estate Recovery! You won’t find the following info in the ACA. It’s in the Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993 (OBRA 1993) – a federal statute which applies to Medicaid, and, if you are enrolled in Medicaid, it will apply to you depending on your age.

a) OBRA 1993 requires all states that receive Medicaid funding to seek recovery from the estates of deceased individuals who used Medicaid benefits at age 55 or older. It allows recovery for any items or services under the state Medicaid plan going beyond nursing homes and other long-term care institutions. In fact, The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) site says that states have the option of recovering payments for all Medicaid services provided. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) site says at state option, recovery can be pursued for any items covered by the Medicaid state plan.

b) The HHS site has an overview of the Medicaid estate recovery mandate which also says that at a minimum, states must pursue recoveries from the “probate estate,” which includes property that passes to the heirs under state probate law, but states can expand the definition of estate to allow recovery from property that bypasses probate. This means states can use procedures for direct recovery from bank accounts and other funds.

c) Some states use recovery for RX and hospital only as required by OBRA 1993; some recover for a few additional benefits and some recover for all benefits under the state plan. Recovery provides revenue for cash-strapped states and it’s a big business.

Your estate is what you own when you die – your home and what’s in it, other real estate you may own, your bank account, annuities and so on. And even if you have a will, your heirs are chopped liver. Low-income people often have only one major asset – the home in which they live and, in some cases, this has been the family home through several generations.

So what this boils down to is: if you are put into Medicaid – congratulations – you just got a mandated collateral loan if you use Medicaid benefits at age 55 or older! States keep a running tally".
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/

petertimber

ODE TO THE WELFARE STATE (November 4,1949)

MY FAITH IN YOU IS SHRINKING, SON
YOU NOSY LITTLE BRAT;
YOU DO TOO DAMN MUCH THINKING,SON
TO BE A DEMOCRAT.

Patty

:thumbup:

vernon

Patty

Jon should be used in a study for failed liberal debating tactics.

vernon

myra is a way to pay down the debt .these socilist have to get more money.this is just a bunch of communist crud running this country and taking eveything they can get their hands on .
and just forget joh he is going to get you off topic with insults and anything else he can to get you upset.

Patty

:thumbup: Jon doesn't bother me. I have come to realize that name calling is the progressive white flag declaring they have nothing left but to resort back to their childhood. :wink:

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

If you have assets why do you have to go to the government for help in paying your bills?

Why do others have to pay for your health care just so you can protect your money for your heirs?

Patty

You have me confused with someone else. I would never be stupid enough to have my house in my name and not in a family trust. You do what you want. I don't believe in anyone getting anything that they didn't pay into unless they are legitimately disabled.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Patty wrote:
Peter what I find even scarier is that many will have their family homes taken away because of this.
"Here’s why dropping the asset test got the BINGO – Estate Recovery! You won’t find the following info in the ACA. It’s in the Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1993 (OBRA 1993) – a federal statute which applies to Medicaid, and, if you are enrolled in Medicaid, it will apply to you depending on your age.

a) OBRA 1993 requires all states that receive Medicaid funding to seek recovery from the estates of deceased individuals who used Medicaid benefits at age 55 or older. It allows recovery for any items or services under the state Medicaid plan going beyond nursing homes and other long-term care institutions. In fact, The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) site says that states have the option of recovering payments for all Medicaid services provided. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) site says at state option, recovery can be pursued for any items covered by the Medicaid state plan.

b) The HHS site has an overview of the Medicaid estate recovery mandate which also says that at a minimum, states must pursue recoveries from the “probate estate,” which includes property that passes to the heirs under state probate law, but states can expand the definition of estate to allow recovery from property that bypasses probate. This means states can use procedures for direct recovery from bank accounts and other funds.

c) Some states use recovery for RX and hospital only as required by OBRA 1993; some recover for a few additional benefits and some recover for all benefits under the state plan. Recovery provides revenue for cash-strapped states and it’s a big business.

Your estate is what you own when you die – your home and what’s in it, other real estate you may own, your bank account, annuities and so on. And even if you have a will, your heirs are chopped liver. Low-income people often have only one major asset – the home in which they live and, in some cases, this has been the family home through several generations.

So what this boils down to is: if you are put into Medicaid – congratulations – you just got a mandated collateral loan if you use Medicaid benefits at age 55 or older! States keep a running tally".
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/

That is the post from you that I replied to.

I did not make it plain enough that I was replying in general terms to the issue.

It was not my I idea of applying it just to you but to those that would take advantage of the system.

As I have no way of knowing about you. I have to say I am sorry that I didn't make it clear that I didn't phrase it better.

But I stand by my answer to the issue.