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Aug 31, 2018 10:10:18   #
debeda
 
okie don wrote:
Trump has caught ' flack' from the get - go...
He is not a CFR or Bilderburger but an American who worked hard
and was truly a success.

No, He's not perfect. Who 'th hell is???

He is no polished politician but a successful businessman and the Deep State' hates him
with a passion. just my humble opinion...(:



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Aug 31, 2018 10:12:06   #
debeda
 
CDM wrote:
"There are white assholes as well." Biggtime. How about we start with the very people who lead the movement against America, who denigrate our constitution and our flag, who vilify capitalism, who place the blame for poverty and racism squarely on the white man and who, in defense of the poor, downtrodden proletariat masses created the evil 1% ... Who are these people? Who are these Leftist leaders? Well look for yourself you poor, you downtrodden you victims;

They are majority white people and not just any white people. Many are old white people and many are old, white men. Most are super-capitalists. And what, aside from their overwhelming concern for the poor proletariat do they have in common? The vast majority of them are preposterously wealthy; wealth they derived off the backs of the people they claim to care for. Exactly what they blame the conservative capitalist of doing.

I say hair on them, let them have their power ... when the sheep are not only stupid enough to follow them to slaughter but to fall on the knife themselves ...
"There are white assholes as well." Bi... (show quote)


AGREED

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Aug 31, 2018 10:12:58   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Obama redefined division in the states. Trump laughs at the issues which Obama used to divide us with.

The deficit will require a while to be sure if the tax cuts changed it, one way or the other.

We voted Trump in to get rid of Obamacare. Guys like McCain double crossed Trump.

Yes, Obama was the food stamp president. I enjoy seeing people who just used theirs get into their shiny new Mercedes.

Puerto Rico was unprepared and their leadership need a scapegoat.

Black athletes vilified themselves. Hell, many of them don't even know why they are kneeling. LOL!

So, in essence, you voted for Hillary Clinton. That IS sad!
Obama redefined division in the states. Trump lau... (show quote)



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Aug 31, 2018 10:14:12   #
debeda
 
woodguru wrote:
He's beyond not perfect, how many cases of tax evasion, tax fraud, money laundering, or illegal loans from Russian criminals do you think Mueller now has the goods on him on? How about violations of his foundation?


Lolololololololhahahahahaha interesting you people are now interested in fraudulent foundations lol.

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Aug 31, 2018 10:15:39   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
About 30 some odd Russians who will never see the inside of an American court room. LOL! It's all fodder for the leftist press, who think their following, the ignorant, are ignorant, and stupid. LOL!


Well, the way the leftist press is losing readership/viewership daily, I think only the ignorant are staying with them.

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Aug 31, 2018 10:18:15   #
debeda
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Wow emarine says I'm wealthy.


Oh, I didn't know! Got a couple mil to spare buddy?

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Aug 31, 2018 10:19:13   #
debeda
 
maureenthannon wrote:
"Honest Democrat" sounds like an oymoron. I know that MANY citizens, Democrats,Republicans, Independents, are basicay honest peope, but, most Politicians , no matter their Party, ARE NOT!


Boy that cuts to the heart of it Maureen!

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Aug 31, 2018 10:31:58   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
emarine wrote:
Trend is easy to comprehend Dave... Trump has inherited many good things without having to work very hard for it...deregulation of big industry has always spiked the numbers short term especially on Wall St... this is the stuff you don't see on Fox news buddy...


It is a fools errand to believe that a president, any president controls the temperature of an economy if you will. It is just as foolish to believe that the president cannot or does not directly influence the pace of an economy. They do, with a mechanism called 'policy'.

The U.S. Economy primarily because of it's (still) capitalist roots has a natural tendency to want to grow – even a little. You point out that 'deregulation' will cause it to spike. You don't point out that over-regulation will also cause a spike. Spikes go both ways on charts.

Obviously, you want to make a case for Obama's positive influence on our economic successes today. In my humble opinion, the charts you show here are rather pedestrian and fall woefully short of that objective.

I suggest you take the hours it will take to pull the data from the Department of Labor Stats – actual numbers mind you – with a focus on sectors, job type and job longevity. The real story resides there.

Just an observation.

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Aug 31, 2018 14:32:35   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Super Dave wrote:
Another easy learn is how easy it is to increase employment and growth after a recession.

If Obama had done nothing he would have had 2-4 years of 3% GDP growth.

Trump's success with economic growth is in no small part removing the intended obstacles to growth that Obama erected by exo.

As I've said before. Trump isn't doing anything everyone with a brain didn't know would work.

Trump is MAGA because Trump wants to MAGA.

Democrats, know that miserable, starving, hopeless unconfident victims are their easy votes. That's why Democrats oppose MAGA with everything they have.
Another easy learn is how easy it is to increase e... (show quote)


Yes indeed. This goes right to the fact that the economy moves in days, weeks and months for the average working American. They could give a crap about trends or GDP or any other marker. And 5 or 10-year charts (most of which prove economists don't know what they are talking about) may as well be written on toilet paper for the average Joe. And this is where Obama failed miserably to capitalize on an opportunity; The fact is he did preside over the slowest economic recovery in history. His ideological mania, his propensity for surrounding himself with losers and his disregard for the common man prevented him from doing otherwise.

Trump is the diametric opposite. He recognizes that people need to work now - at REAL jobs - not flipping burgers 20 hours a week - that people need to pay bills now; that people live day-to-day and every day is important; that a day without income is a day closer to catastrophe. All Trump has really done, as you say, is to remove the monumental barriers that Obama placed in the path of productivity and more importantly in my mind is to say to the nation the WE CAN; killing the Obama narrative that the dismal state of affairs he presided over is the 'new normal' and we should 'get used to it'. Democrats will never understand any of this but who cares just so we continue to crush them.

There is broad agreement that Trump is certainly not the most elegant solution. But then again maybe we need a little old fashion American Cowboy from time to time.

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Aug 31, 2018 14:45:47   #
debeda
 
CDM wrote:
Yes indeed. This goes right to the fact that the economy moves in days, weeks and months for the average working American. They could give a crap about trends or GDP or any other marker. And 5 or 10-year charts (most of which prove economists don't know what they are talking about) may as well be written on toilet paper for the average Joe. And this is where Obama failed miserably to capitalize on an opportunity; The fact is he did preside over the slowest economic recovery in history. His ideological mania, his propensity for surrounding himself with losers and his disregard for the common man prevented him from doing otherwise.

Trump is the diametric opposite. He recognizes that people need to work now - at REAL jobs - not flipping burgers 20 hours a week - that people need to pay bills now; that people live day-to-day and every day is important; that a day without income is a day closer to catastrophe. All Trump has really done, as you say, is to remove the monumental barriers that Obama placed in the path of productivity and more importantly in my mind is to say to the nation the WE CAN; killing the Obama narrative that the dismal state of affairs he presided over is the 'new normal' and we should 'get used to it'. Democrats will never understand any of this but who cares just so we continue to crush them.

There is broad agreement that Trump is certainly not the most elegant solution. But then again maybe we need a little old fashion American Cowboy from time to time.
Yes indeed. This goes right to the fact that the ... (show quote)


Well said and AGREED

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Aug 31, 2018 15:34:48   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Yes, Trump allowed himself to be taken hostage by the GOP elites and signed a budget they Shumer and Pelosi said have them everything they wanted. Shame on Trump.

The feds are pulling in more revenue than ever before, so a smart person would realize the tax cuts are working.

Idiot Democrats started screaming impeachment before Trump officially got the nomination. Elected Democrats now say thinks far worse than Trump, just like they do every Republican POTUS. I'll agree Trump does his share, but it's childish to blame the division on Trump.

Trump didn't vilify black athletes. You just did when you implied every athlete that disrespects the American flag is black. There are white assholes as well. Perhaps you should apologise for your racist inference.
Yes, Trump allowed himself to be taken hostage by ... (show quote)




don`t be confused by the April report. that month is inflated because of corps taking advantage on one time only tax gifts.. so they paid now (April) rather then later..

You will have a life time, and so will all your descendants to pay for the gift to the rich and himself..


https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-budget-deficit-narrowed-to-74-86-billion-in-june-1531418402

By Ben Leubsdorf and Richard Rubin
Updated July 12, 2018 4:27 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON—Corporations taking advantage of new, lower tax rates reduced their payments to the federal government last month.

The Treasury Department on Thursday said government receipts fell 7% in June compared with the same month a year earlier, including a 33% drop in gross corporate taxes. Individual withheld and payroll taxes were down 5% from June 2017, while non-withheld individual taxes rose by 7%.

Even though revenues fell, the budget deficit narrowed to $74.86 billion in June, compared with $90.23 billion in June 2017, due to a 9% drop in government outlays. The spending decline largely reflected some accounting shifts and not actual spending changes. For instance, the Education Department revised estimates for the net costs of past loans and loan guarantees, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis.

More broadly, the federal deficit is swelling as government spending outpaces revenues. The budget gap totaled $607.1 billion in the first nine months of the 2018 fiscal year, 16% larger than the same point a year earlier. So far in the current fiscal year, which will end Sept. 30, total spending rose 4% compared with the same period a year earlier and total revenues rose 1%.

Many individuals and corporations both had estimated-tax payments due in June, making the month an important indicator of the revenue effects of the new tax law. The legislation, which reduced individual and corporate tax rates, was enacted in December and mostly took effect Jan. 1.

Corporations, which received a tax rate cut to 21% from 35%, captured many of the benefits quickly.

“One thing that’s pretty clear is 35 to 21,” said Gordon Gray, director of fiscal policy at the conservative-leaning American Action Forum. “And that’s going to be the big lever in corporate tax payments, so we’re seeing those come down.”

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Aug 31, 2018 15:41:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
Another easy learn is how easy it is to increase employment and growth after a recession.

If Obama had done nothing he would have had 2-4 years of 3% GDP growth.

Trump's success with economic growth is in no small part removing the intended obstacles to growth that Obama erected by exo.

As I've said before. Trump isn't doing anything everyone with a brain didn't know would work.

Trump is MAGA because Trump wants to MAGA.

Democrats, know that miserable, starving, hopeless unconfident victims are their easy votes. That's why Democrats oppose MAGA with everything they have.
Another easy learn is how easy it is to increase e... (show quote)




Name one of those obstacles President Obama put in place..



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Aug 31, 2018 15:48:46   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
Super Dave wrote:
Just wondering.


Honest? You are making a joke, Right

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Aug 31, 2018 15:52:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Wood, you wouldn't know an accomplishment if one jumped up and bit you in the backside, yet you would quickly hail steps toward Socialism as a tremendous stride forward. The problem we have with this ongoing discussion is that we are playing with a whole different set of rules and standards, not to mention talking a different language. You think your solution to current problems is the best and we think ours is based on past actions. You keep thinking you can take the ideology of USSR, China, Venezuela, Cuba etc and make it work here. We think the Country that has been built here and flourished for 250 years is the better solution. Kind of reminds me of the people who leave their countries because they don't like them and then come here and try to make this Country like the country they left. The left will never learn.
Wood, you wouldn't know an accomplishment if one j... (show quote)




I keep wondering, what are these Socialist ideas that I love??? Name a few..

And why do you think I want Our country to be like the USSR, China, Venezuela, Cuba or any country other then the United States?

what is it you think Socialism is about?

Do you watch a lot of Alex Jones??



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Aug 31, 2018 16:28:47   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
don`t be confused by the April report. that month is inflated because of corps taking advantage on one time only tax gifts.. so they paid now (April) rather then later..

You will have a life time, and so will all your descendants to pay for the gift to the rich and himself..


https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-budget-deficit-narrowed-to-74-86-billion-in-june-1531418402

By Ben Leubsdorf and Richard Rubin
Updated July 12, 2018 4:27 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON—Corporations taking advantage of new, lower tax rates reduced their payments to the federal government last month.

The Treasury Department on Thursday said government receipts fell 7% in June compared with the same month a year earlier, including a 33% drop in gross corporate taxes. Individual withheld and payroll taxes were down 5% from June 2017, while non-withheld individual taxes rose by 7%.

Even though revenues fell, the budget deficit narrowed to $74.86 billion in June, compared with $90.23 billion in June 2017, due to a 9% drop in government outlays. The spending decline largely reflected some accounting shifts and not actual spending changes. For instance, the Education Department revised estimates for the net costs of past loans and loan guarantees, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis.

More broadly, the federal deficit is swelling as government spending outpaces revenues. The budget gap totaled $607.1 billion in the first nine months of the 2018 fiscal year, 16% larger than the same point a year earlier. So far in the current fiscal year, which will end Sept. 30, total spending rose 4% compared with the same period a year earlier and total revenues rose 1%.

Many individuals and corporations both had estimated-tax payments due in June, making the month an important indicator of the revenue effects of the new tax law. The legislation, which reduced individual and corporate tax rates, was enacted in December and mostly took effect Jan. 1.

Corporations, which received a tax rate cut to 21% from 35%, captured many of the benefits quickly.

“One thing that’s pretty clear is 35 to 21,” said Gordon Gray, director of fiscal policy at the conservative-leaning American Action Forum. “And that’s going to be the big lever in corporate tax payments, so we’re seeing those come down.”
don`t be confused by the April report. that month ... (show quote)
You people are so desperate trying to deny reality.

You tried giving Obama credit for the economic boom. Since that failed plan B is to deny the existence of the economic boom.

It's funny that the same people that were crying about the tarrifs charged on foreign made goods was being passed on to the American consumer pretend to be stupid enough to think that the corprate taxes on American made goods is not.

The longer you pretend that Trump is not making things better, the dumber you look.

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