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Mar 7, 2014 11:11:33   #
Terry Hamblin
 
Kevyn wrote:
What a great idea a revolving door of congress members who do the bidding of the corporate entity's that buy them the office and then hire them after 8 years as overpaid lobbyists to push the new corporate agenda on their replacements. This ought to work out well for working family's. The solution is to get the money out of our elections.


I agree Kevyn, but the problem is REALLY a problem. I reproduce below a post by a gal who does her homework, Ann Barnhardt:

"This has been a recurring theme of this website since its inception over ten years ago. Guys, I’m telling you, stupid people and/or frauds are running the planet. In fact, civilization is so far gone that the higher-ranking a person is, be it in academia, business, politics or the Church, the less likely it is that they have any degree of competence or genuine skill. This is a lesson that I have learned over and over and over again. The very people in positions of authority that we all desperately want to believe are not just competent but truly knowledgable and wise, are, almost without exception, bluffing or openly incompetent. The truly competent are marginalized at best, and destroyed at worst.

If you still believe in any way that higher-ups in the government, military, business world, universities or the Church are in any way competent to solve the unprecedented problems that humanity faces today (assuming that they want the problems solved at all), you are operating on a false premise that is so utterly contrary to reality that it defies quantification or even description.

Recognizing and acknowledging this sad and terrifying reality is utterly, utterly critical. You MUST have an accurate observation and picture of the battle space in order to have any hope of formulating, much less executing effective tactics. You all think that you are battling veritable giants and geniuses, when in fact you are battling a cadre of puny imbeciles and obvious frauds. The main quality these puny imbeciles and frauds have that is allowing them to roll over Western Civilization essentially uncontested is BOLDNESS. They act. They play offense. But more importantly, YOU DON’T. Yes, they play dirty and we can’t. But the root problem isn’t that they are beating us by playing dirty. The root problem is that we aren’t playing at all. We are fielding no team whatsoever – not even a clean offense. We aren’t even on the field. We are all over on the sidelines curled into the fetal position, eyes shut tight, trying desperately to rock ourselves to sleep – while a team of five slobbering fools marches uncontested down the field over and over again in a game of 11 man football. So yes, a cadre of frauds and imbeciles can absolutely roll over an entire civilization IF and ONLY IF the civilization is so weak and whipped, so steeped in an effeminate desire to deny reality and avoid confrontation (aka, “be nice”), that the said civilization will surrender itself to said frauds and imbeciles to avoid any sort of masculine confrontation of reality, much less the execution of bold corrective action. In short, we didn’t “lose” our nation and our civilization – we forfeited it.

It is indeed ironic that truly great men spring from cultures who don’t particularly NEED them, and those cultures that desperately need good men to lead them are all but incapable of producing them"

THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO IS PUBLIC OUTCRY, A LOT OF PEOPLE QUESTIONING EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE OFFICIAL BUILDINGS, AT TOWN HALL MEETINGS, AT POLITICAL RALLIES AND MANY MORE, OH, TIP OFF THE LOCAL TV STATIONS BEFORE YOU HIT THE STREETS!

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Mar 7, 2014 11:50:22   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
banjojack wrote:
But if politicians can't keep getting re-elected time after time after time, so they spend 20 years in DC, they can't protect us from career politicians.


Yeah, like that 90 year old dude looking for another term, although, he probably isn't any more senile than many of the others.

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Mar 7, 2014 12:53:03   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
artrans26fe wrote:
If the president of the US gets a 8 year max term, it should be the same for congress persons. Get out and vote for a new law for congress.


I agree that we need to get rid of lifers in Congress, I also think the more important thing we must do is make sure that we have PROPER representation in our states. They are after all the ones that should be keeping the federal government in check, but instead they are letting them run all over everyone. The feds could be controlled very easily if the state wanted to. They don't want to simply because the feds have bought them off. The states budget is made up of about 40% federal money. As long as the feds buy them off and they keep taking federal money, we will get nothing done. The states can get rid of any law they feel like as long as it is unconstitutional simply by nullifying it.

In Federalist No. 33 (5th para), Alexander Hamilton writes:

“… If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard [Constitution] they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.”

James Madison writes in his Report on the Virginia Resolutions (1799-1800) under the 3rd resolution:

“It…[is]…a plain principle, founded in common sense…and essential to the nature of compacts, that, where resort can be had to no tribunal superior to the authority of the parties, the parties themselves must be the rightful judges, in the last resort, whether the bargain made has been pursued or violated. The Constitution of the United States was formed by the sanction of the states, given by each in its sovereign capacity. … The states, then, being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity that there can be no tribunal, above their authority, to decide, in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; … ”

"Hamilton, Jefferson, and Madison are saying that because the States alone are “the parties” to the compact, they are the final authority to decide whether their “creature”, the federal government, has violated the compact. THIS is why States have the natural right of nullification!"

In short, it is the people and the states that are the sole arbiters as to if the law is Constitutional or not. The federal government has no voice in the matter since they were not parties to the agreement. IF you can get the states to do what they are supposed to do and IF you can keep them under control, THEN you can get the federal government under control. How do we do this?? Simple, LEARN the Constitution and DEMAND the states use the Constitution just like the federal government should. They are, after all, controlled by it just like we are. They cannot pass laws that are contrary to the Constitution any more then the federal government can. Now I know they do, but what I am saying is, they are not supposed to. They are governed by the Constitution just like everything else. If a law is passed that is Constitutional, but unjust, we still have recourse, but most people don't know about that either.

Now I know there are going to be people here gripping about me using cut and past AGAIN, but I am trying to make a point and I want to make sure that point is correct, so I cut and past. I also give links to where I got my information so you can go read it yourself. This is the link and you will find this information and more if you care to read it. Personally I think you should start your learning process by reading every one of her papers and she also has some videos that you can watch. All of which is VERY interesting, or at least I think it is. If you need to learn our Constitution, then is a great place to start.

http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/nullification-by-states/

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Mar 7, 2014 12:54:41   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Retired669 wrote:
I get it right all the time since I'm not a warm up act. :mrgreen: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

BTW....Who am I defending?


Your favorite politicians, of course.

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Mar 7, 2014 13:07:09   #
Retired669
 
Tasine wrote:
Your favorite politicians, of course.





But, I don't have any favorites. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Mar 7, 2014 13:19:51   #
vernon
 
Tasine wrote:
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Welcome to 1PP, artrans26fe!

Your suggestion is a good one, but as another poster said, we should make every elected official's tenure no longer than 2 years, and retirement income should be eliminated. Pay them for the time they are there, then quit paying them altogether. They aren't worth much in office and are worth absolutely NOTHING out of office. They don't need retirement as they get wealthy on the speech circuit after office, and we cannot afford to pay it.

The degree of corruption that they can amass over a 20-30 year tenure is unspeakable and unforgivable. We need to cut 'em off at the pass!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br Welcome to 1PP, artrans26... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 7, 2014 13:29:56   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah, like that 90 year old dude looking for another term, although, he probably isn't any more senile than many of the others.

Do you mean Dingle? He's 97 and finally announced his retirement.

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Mar 7, 2014 13:39:17   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
LAPhil wrote:
Do you mean Dingle? He's 97 and finally announced his retirement.


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I've been telling people there is a God, and He is merciful. This announcement proves it!!

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Mar 7, 2014 13:43:35   #
LAPhil Loc: Los Angeles, CA
 
Tasine wrote:
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I've been telling people there is a God, and He is merciful. This announcement proves it!!

One down, about 240 to go (I'm only counting Democrats for now, senators and representatives). Not that there aren't any Republicans who couldn't be replaced.

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Mar 7, 2014 13:52:43   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
LAPhil wrote:
One down, about 270 to go (I'm only counting Democrats for now, senators and representatives). Not that there aren't any Republicans who couldn't be replaced.


Atta boy! Go for it!!

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Mar 7, 2014 14:15:23   #
Brian Devon
 
Kevyn wrote:
What a great idea a revolving door of congress members who do the bidding of the corporate entity's that buy them the office and then hire them after 8 years as overpaid lobbyists to push the new corporate agenda on their replacements. This ought to work out well for working family's. The solution is to get the money out of our elections.






You are totally right. However, in order to diminish the corruption we need to have the Supreme Court overturn the Citizens United ruling. As long as corporate PAC bribery is classified as "free speech" we are in deep trouble.

My question is this. How is our American kleptocracy superior to the Russian kleptocracy???

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Mar 7, 2014 14:27:21   #
Retired669
 
Brian Devon wrote:
You are totally right. However, in order to diminish the corruption we need to have the Supreme Court overturn the Citizens United ruling. As long as corporate PAC bribery is classified as "free speech" we are in deep trouble.

My question is this. How is our American kleptocracy superior to the Russian kleptocracy???




It isn't. :thumbup:

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Mar 7, 2014 15:14:46   #
pixie
 
Tasine wrote:
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For ONCE, you got it right. They aren't. Therefore, why do you defend them from people like me? Better yet, why do you defend them at all. I certainly don't.


great post! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: ha 666!

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Mar 7, 2014 18:10:18   #
Terry Hamblin
 
MrEd wrote:
I agree that we need to get rid of lifers in Congress, I also think the more important thing we must do is make sure that we have PROPER representation in our states. They are after all the ones that should be keeping the federal government in check, but instead they are letting them run all over everyone. The feds could be controlled very easily if the state wanted to. They don't want to simply because the feds have bought them off. The states budget is made up of about 40% federal money. As long as the feds buy them off and they keep taking federal money, we will get nothing done. The states can get rid of any law they feel like as long as it is unconstitutional simply by nullifying it.

In Federalist No. 33 (5th para), Alexander Hamilton writes:

“… If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard [Constitution] they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.”

James Madison writes in his Report on the Virginia Resolutions (1799-1800) under the 3rd resolution:

“It…[is]…a plain principle, founded in common sense…and essential to the nature of compacts, that, where resort can be had to no tribunal superior to the authority of the parties, the parties themselves must be the rightful judges, in the last resort, whether the bargain made has been pursued or violated. The Constitution of the United States was formed by the sanction of the states, given by each in its sovereign capacity. … The states, then, being the parties to the constitutional compact, and in their sovereign capacity, it follows of necessity that there can be no tribunal, above their authority, to decide, in the last resort, whether the compact made by them be violated; … ”

"Hamilton, Jefferson, and Madison are saying that because the States alone are “the parties” to the compact, they are the final authority to decide whether their “creature”, the federal government, has violated the compact. THIS is why States have the natural right of nullification!"

In short, it is the people and the states that are the sole arbiters as to if the law is Constitutional or not. The federal government has no voice in the matter since they were not parties to the agreement. IF you can get the states to do what they are supposed to do and IF you can keep them under control, THEN you can get the federal government under control. How do we do this?? Simple, LEARN the Constitution and DEMAND the states use the Constitution just like the federal government should. They are, after all, controlled by it just like we are. They cannot pass laws that are contrary to the Constitution any more then the federal government can. Now I know they do, but what I am saying is, they are not supposed to. They are governed by the Constitution just like everything else. If a law is passed that is Constitutional, but unjust, we still have recourse, but most people don't know about that either.

Now I know there are going to be people here gripping about me using cut and past AGAIN, but I am trying to make a point and I want to make sure that point is correct, so I cut and past. I also give links to where I got my information so you can go read it yourself. This is the link and you will find this information and more if you care to read it. Personally I think you should start your learning process by reading every one of her papers and she also has some videos that you can watch. All of which is VERY interesting, or at least I think it is. If you need to learn our Constitution, then is a great place to start.

http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/nullification-by-states/
I agree that we need to get rid of lifers in Congr... (show quote)


MrEd, good post. People can say what they want about cutting and pasting but to get it right, do as I do, cut and paste! There are 35 states presently pressing for a Constitutional Congress, I think that 3 or 4 more are necessary to force such a huge face off. The best thing is that the Constitution allows this confrontation and in fact suggests it, if the Fed. gets out of line, which it has been for years! The reluctant states are quailing because they are totally dependent upon Federal funding. The answer to that is SHIFT FOR YOURSELF OR FUSE WITH ANOTHER STATE, Stop the pussy stuff! The States are the basis and backbone of the Constitution and our Country, they need to exert their power, NOW!
BTW, there are some really good comments in this particular Forum, Congrats ya'all!

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Mar 8, 2014 07:39:08   #
ibKelly
 
artrans26fe wrote:
If the president of the US gets a 8 year max term, it should be the same for congress persons. Get out and vote for a new law for congress.


Im all for that... cause all those Congressmen do is stay in Office and make millions off the Lobbists. They dont do it for the good of the people.. they work for the good of themselves. In the first place... where can you get a job who only works 6 months of a year and collects umpteen $$$$$$ for just walking around acting like Mr/Mrs.. Big Shot... We need Maxine Waters, and that other loud mouth companion of her's out of there and give someone else a chance to serve the people. Nancy Pelosi will stay there for ever... and she's so rich now, she doesnt need to work. Wouldnt you hate for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to be in the Senate...?

We also need a more thorough examination of the President too...all of their background and marriages and they should be made to produce and thoroughly examine their BC and College records and past crimes!! I feel if this had of been done with Obama, he wouldnt have been elected as Dog Catcher...and it needs to be examined by the FBI too...We need a squeakly clean person to serve our country.

If we wanted to choose a Dr.. to take care of our health... would we choose a person with a tarnished character...? I think not...

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