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I dont understand what is the big deal about 2020 US Census' Citizenship question???
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May 25, 2018 13:40:47   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
Daave,

No, I have never said anything like that.. I am all for getting rid of Illegal aliens who are guilty of that misdemeanor of entering our nation with out proper paper..

But not for extending that removal to children and the harassment of people who are real Americans..
1. If you support killing American children but oppose deporting non American children you should get your priorities straight.

2. You oppose a wall because it will stop illegals from bringing themselves and their children here.

3. Since when do you support deportation of illegals?

4. If you're referring to DACA, theyre mostly adults.

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May 25, 2018 13:44:51   #
itsmyjob
 
You know I think you are a fairly intelligent person but just what part of illegal don't you understand?

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May 25, 2018 15:20:21   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
1. If you support killing American children but oppose deporting non American children you should get your priorities straight.

2. You oppose a wall because it will stop illegals from bringing themselves and their children here.

3. Since when do you support deportation of illegals?

4. If you're referring to DACA, theyre mostly adults.




1--I do not even see a connection with the two parts of your sentence...

2--The wall would be a total waste of money and very ineffective..

3--when did you get the idea that I am not in favor of deporting illegals???

4--DACA is a specific group of people. Those who qualify are as American as you and I. They know no other country.. they should be dealt with by congress. Which was the intent of the Obama EO or proclamation..

The laws regarding immigration are a confusing mess. Primarily because the wealthy end of the republican party wants a lot of immigrants to fill the labor past its needs. that keep labor costs down in the model they use..

How can business expand if it dose not have a larger then needed labor supply??

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May 25, 2018 16:13:51   #
Carol Kelly
 
PeterS wrote:
How can you hold the midterms if between 12 and 22 millions illegals are at the voting booth? Stuart Mill once said: I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. In reading your posts I am reminded of that...


Bad PETE, we know they will lie on Census forms. And you know the Democrats can’t win without illegal votes. They are not innocent. They have done something wrong.
Crossing our borders illegally, i.e. UNlawfully

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May 25, 2018 16:15:41   #
Carol Kelly
 
Super Dave wrote:
1. If you support killing American children but oppose deporting non American children you should get your priorities straight.

2. You oppose a wall because it will stop illegals from bringing themselves and their children here.

3. Since when do you support deportation of illegals?

4. If you're referring to DACA, theyre mostly adults.


You tell him like it is. We can’t afford to be so generous anymore

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May 25, 2018 17:28:05   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
1--I do not even see a connection with the two parts of your sentence...

2--The wall would be a total waste of money and very ineffective..

3--when did you get the idea that I am not in favor of deporting illegals???

4--DACA is a specific group of people. Those who qualify are as American as you and I. They know no other country.. they should be dealt with by congress. Which was the intent of the Obama EO or proclamation..

The laws regarding immigration are a confusing mess. Primarily because the wealthy end of the republican party wants a lot of immigrants to fill the labor past its needs. that keep labor costs down in the model they use..

How can business expand if it dose not have a larger then needed labor supply??
1--I do not even see a connection with the two par... (show quote)


1. The purpose of abortions is to kill babies. You do support them and their champions, correct?
2. No, you oppose it because it would be effective. You supported giving Iran much more to support terrorism than a wall to protect America.
3. My mistake. Must have confused you with most every other lib. I stand corrected.
4. Progs on both sides want illegals. Reps want cheap labor and Dems want cheap votes.

Guest workers are how you fill needed labor requirements. But you have to pay them over the table following gubmit regs.

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May 25, 2018 18:41:45   #
maryjane
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is the job of the census to count every person in the US, man woman and child, citizen or not. Congressional seats are awarded by population not eligible voters. By reducing cooperation with the census and politicizing it some states would likely loose congressional representation and other things they are entitled to.


Do you really think the founders, concerning the census, ever considered anyone but citizens being counted?? I think they meant a count of citizens only to determine each state's representatives in Congress. The founders would never have agreed to counting noncitizens, especially illegals, because doing so gives people not citizens of our country power in the operation of our government. This is something that no sane country would ever do, but America today does seem to care more about foreigners than it does its own people or even its own future.

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May 25, 2018 18:47:57   #
bahmer
 
maryjane wrote:
Do you really think the founders, concerning the census, ever considered anyone but citizens being counted?? I think they meant a count of citizens only to determine each state's representatives in Congress. The founders would never have agreed to counting noncitizens, especially illegals, because doing so gives people not citizens of our country power in the operation of our government. This is something that no sane country would ever do, but America today does seem to care more about foreigners than it does its own people or even its own future.
Do you really think the founders, concerning the c... (show quote)


You can thank the democrats and the RINO's in that as well as the lobbyists. They all seem to be about the destruction of this country as opposed to the building up of our country. Maybe those that want to destroy this country should leave for awhile and see if their vision is restored after awhile on foreign soil. Maybe like Venezuela.

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May 25, 2018 19:11:09   #
Carol Kelly
 
pafret wrote:
Another lie! The number of representatives in Congress per each state is determined by the census. A raw body count would give States like Fornicalia a significantly higher number of representatives than should be legally allowed. The illegal invaders don't seem to be such shrinking violets to me; they have no trouble sneaking in and stealing every citizen paid for, welfare benefit, they can get their hands on.

The Senatorial majority would be sufficient if Republicans voted as Democrats do, as a bloc. Instead They have Rino's who make control impossible. Trump became resident only by virtue of the Electoral College.
Another lie! The number of representatives in Con... (show quote)


You hit the nail on the head. No shrinking violets involved on their side. But they sure can march and make demands. Can’t do that we’re theyre coming from. Wow! Maybe that’s why they’re here. We’re too soft in the head.

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May 25, 2018 19:12:12   #
Carol Kelly
 
Super Dave wrote:
1. If you support killing American children but oppose deporting non American children you should get your priorities straight.

2. You oppose a wall because it will stop illegals from bringing themselves and their children here.

3. Since when do you support deportation of illegals?

4. If you're referring to DACA, theyre mostly adults.


Amen.

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May 25, 2018 19:16:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Super Dave wrote:
1. The purpose of abortions is to kill babies. You do support them and their champions, correct?
2. No, you oppose it because it would be effective. You supported giving Iran much more to support terrorism than a wall to protect America.
3. My mistake. Must have confused you with most every other lib. I stand corrected.
4. Progs on both sides want illegals. Reps want cheap labor and Dems want cheap votes.

Guest workers are how you fill needed labor requirements. But you have to pay them over the table following gubmit regs.
1. The purpose of abortions is to kill babies. You... (show quote)



I have addressed a position on abortion several times..

I am not in favor of abortions except in specific needed cases..

I am however very much a champion of freedom of choice..

Like it or not the woman who is pregnant has the right to decide what is done to her body..

I will never agree that someone else, (anyone else) can tell another person what to do concerning a completely personal situation..

No dipstick has the remotest right to tell a woman to follow what he says when he is not even a subject of that situation and will never be affected one way or the other..

It is all about the woman and her rights..

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May 25, 2018 19:27:50   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
maryjane wrote:
Do you really think the founders, concerning the census, ever considered anyone but citizens being counted?? I think they meant a count of citizens only to determine each state's representatives in Congress. The founders would never have agreed to counting noncitizens, especially illegals, because doing so gives people not citizens of our country power in the operation of our government. This is something that no sane country would ever do, but America today does seem to care more about foreigners than it does its own people or even its own future.
Do you really think the founders, concerning the c... (show quote)




Good reply. I agree with what you said.

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May 25, 2018 19:38:25   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
PeterS wrote:
Because the census has nothing to do with citizenship and is a count of those who reside within our boarders. The only reason you cons want to change it is because you want to strike fear into illegal immigrants and nothing more. I hate to tell you but whether you count illegals or not they will still be here and still doing all the things you hate them for. Oh, and if we get illegals to vote for us how is it Trump is president, and if you listen to him, by a landslide. The proof that illegals don't vote is that Trump is president and you people hold the majority in the house and senate...
Because the census has nothing to do with citizens... (show quote)


What most good Americans hate, as you put it, is the fact that these illegals are taking jobs from Americans, of all race's, that do not have the skills to hold a higher paying job. The proof, is that trump got elected by the people from the middle of the country. The East coast and the West coast are where Trump struggled to get votes. Those areas are completely controlled by the progressive agenda with illogical thinking. That makes it the reason he won by such a handy margin in the electoral college. More states vote in favor of Trump than the Hilda beast. That just has twisted your panties into a knotted ball. That was the reason the founders put that into our election process. Too bad for you sissy progressive's.

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May 25, 2018 19:38:30   #
Homestead
 
PeterS wrote:
Because the census has nothing to do with citizenship and is a count of those who reside within our boarders. The only reason you cons want to change it is because you want to strike fear into illegal immigrants and nothing more. I hate to tell you but whether you count illegals or not they will still be here and still doing all the things you hate them for. Oh, and if we get illegals to vote for us how is it Trump is president, and if you listen to him, by a landslide. The proof that illegals don't vote is that Trump is president and you people hold the majority in the house and senate...
Because the census has nothing to do with citizens... (show quote)


The purpose of the Census is for representation.

Illegal aliens are not citizens and they have no right to be represented.

They are dealt with by the laws passed by duly elected representatives, voted into office by the citizens.

They have their own country and that's who represents them.

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May 25, 2018 19:40:06   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Super Dave wrote:
We can't be surprised that the same people that do not want voter ID or okay with illegal electoral votes.

There are a limited number of representatives in the House of Representatives. The Democrats want as many as possible to be representing illegal aliens..



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