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Feb 22, 2014 16:44:32   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cant beleve wrote:
At least you haven't thrown insults because I chose a Christian life devoid of sexual immorality as defined by the Bible. We would be friends I'm sure. I just chose God after 30 years of a sin Feldman life. Doesn't make me suddenly straight just forgiven. :thumbup:


And the best of luck to you, sincerely.

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Feb 22, 2014 16:46:17   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I believe in Christianity. But to be a true Christian, one must be Christlike. Which I certainly am not.


Glad you are honest about it then.

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Feb 22, 2014 16:48:11   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Btfkr wrote:
I would say if you are "ex" you really weren't to start with. Either that or you are "ex" until the next time. Good luck.


Thats funny some ex boyfriends would take issue with that but I'm not going to defend my sinful nature it's something I'm no longer proud of for sure.

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Feb 22, 2014 17:03:25   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cant beleve wrote:
Thats funny some ex boyfriends would take issue with that but I'm not going to defend my sinful nature it's something I'm no longer proud of for sure.


If it is something you truly want I'm happy that it is working for you and for you I hope that it continues. I personally am neither proud nor ashamed of what I am. Nor do I consider it sin full. What I do consider sin full is the dishonesty of my past life. That I am not proud of. But I reckon that is all between myself and my "God". Again the best to you, and yes, despite differences we could likely be friends.

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Feb 22, 2014 17:07:31   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
Btfkr wrote:
If it is something you truly want I'm happy that it is working for you and for you I hope that it continues. I personally am neither proud nor ashamed of what I am. Nor do I consider it sin full. What I do consider sin full is the dishonesty of my past life. That I am not proud of. But I reckon that is all between myself and my "God". Again the best to you, and yes, despite differences we could likely be friends.


:thumbup: thank you. And the same back at ya!

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Feb 22, 2014 17:15:09   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cant beleve wrote:
:thumbup: thank you. And the same back at ya!


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Feb 22, 2014 17:20:37   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
cant beleve wrote:
Thats funny some ex boyfriends would take issue with that but I'm not going to defend my sinful nature it's something I'm no longer proud of for sure.


The really wonderful thing about the past, that it is the past. And a person can choose what they do right now and they can plan for tomorrow. It is what we do in the moment, the elections that you make this very second. The past teaches, the present sets the stage for tomorrow, and tomorrow is never assured. Do not feel shame for past offenses, whatever you did is behind you. For one, not to exclude others, but to me you are just fine the way you are. You can feel pride for who you are ........ I could go on, but I hope you get my point.

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Feb 22, 2014 19:00:59   #
FOXFIRE Loc: SW Commonwealth of Virginia
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Welcome fellow bigot.


Honored.

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Feb 22, 2014 19:05:53   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
rumitoid wrote:
Why should Christians be forced to serve adulterers, the greedy, the envious, and so on for that matter. Perhaps a little questionnaire about other private behavior that could be considered sinful.

As noted, purchasing a product or service in a store is not practicing homosexuality.

This law is akin to Rand Paul's objection that businesses are forced not to discriminate against minorities. Equality appears to be a movable principle to him.


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Feb 22, 2014 19:07:15   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
no propaganda please wrote:
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no respect for either Christianity or Judaism or those people who hold firm beliefs in right and wrong. However, this is the same government that allows Muslims to dress according to sharia law, and allows areas that are largely Muslim to have their own local laws that follow their religion.Apparently the same is not permitted for the majority religions in America.

I am having problems trying to determine why a particular group of people, homosexuals, cannot be discriminated against because of their behavior. There is no documented biological cause for sexual orientation, and no "gay" gene. Nor has any development problem in uturo ever been found to determine orientation. Orientation is a learned behavior. Many people have been homosexual as teenagers and become heterosexual as adults. There are even groups such as Families and Friends of EX GAYS who can help people who do not wish to behave in a homosexual manner become straight. In the mean time two percent of the population is making demands that we forget our religion so we can service them. And it is only the activists who are pushing, most homosexuals know they can find people to provide services who are happy to work for and with them.
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no r... (show quote)


You haven't done your homework very well.

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Feb 22, 2014 19:12:43   #
bobgssc
 
Actually, I wouldn't have any problem if this law were passed against Christians instead of gays. It would make it much easier for me to decide where I wanted to spend my money and therefore support which businesses. Why would gays and lesbians want to support a business that didn't support them? It's all in how you look at it.

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Feb 22, 2014 19:22:56   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Viral wrote:
So it's OK to allow discrimination if someone is overtly violating your delicate sensibilities?

Public safety concerns equate to religious beliefs how again?

It's a completely different story if it is widely known that a bar (for example) doesn't like a particular demographic, and you, being of that demographic and aware of their particular predilection would more than likely not patronize that bar. Allowing someone to discriminate against anyone is a against our better nature, is contrary to the love that is preached in most religions, and violates federal mandates protecting civil liberties.

Namely, it is a clear violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.
So it's OK to allow discrimination if someone is o... (show quote)


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Feb 22, 2014 19:25:54   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
ginnyt wrote:
AZ passes lots of laws that the liberal states call crazy and unconstitutional among other things. Right now they have a sheriff that has a monitor watching him everyday, it has not stopped him from picking up illegals or busting their safe houses or their drug houses. AZ dances to its own music. We will see if Brewer has what it takes to sign the bill. The other things you mentioned, I do not see how they are religiously connected. For example, it is already on the books that bars can refuse to sell drinks to someone intoxicated. On the books is a law that says, if a person appears unsanitary a food establishment can refuse service. So, unless a person came in shouting things about others that would make you to think they are a bigot, then how would you know? Unless a person came in with bible in hand and starts preaching how would you know they are Christian? Jewish people are different, we rarely go to establishments that are not kosher. If two men come in and they do not show outward signs of their sexual preference, then how would you know if they are gay?
AZ passes lots of laws that the liberal states cal... (show quote)


Vocabulary again. not preference rather orientation.

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Feb 22, 2014 19:26:35   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
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Feb 22, 2014 19:31:35   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Viral wrote:
I should have picked up on that bit of obviousness when you mentioned kosher. Not sure why that escaped me, sorry about that.

I fail to see how allowing someone to be treated poorly falls in line with "not to wrong anyone in speech or in business", or with "acts of loving kindness". It allows others to wrong people, and is most certainly not an act (legal play on words) of loving kindness.

It is State sanctioned discrimination and having the revelation of your faith, it honestly surprises me about your support for it. Do not misunderstand that my stance to this is purely built on support for the LGBT community, it is built on a mutual respect for my fellows. This Bill authorizes antisemitism in addition to others. This is perhaps the most perplexing thing from my point of view; you, being Jewish, are ok with State sanctioned discrimination for business, but I'm guessing you're not ok with it when it means rounding them up into camps? The only difference is the end game, both are discriminatory.


And now to play to the fears of some:

This law allows a Muslim to enact parts of Sharia law in their places of business. They can deny service to an unaccompanied woman. I'm sure there are others, which I'll have to look up later.


In regards to history, does this book touch on how Christianity absorbed the Pagan holidays (saturnalia, lupercalia to name a few) in an effort to convert more people?
I should have picked up on that bit of obviousness... (show quote)


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