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Feb 21, 2014 20:05:01   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
(CNN) -- Arizona's Legislature has passed a controversial bill that would allow business owners, as long as they assert their religious beliefs, to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html

It is on the governor's desk for signature.

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Feb 21, 2014 21:00:40   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
ginnyt wrote:
(CNN) -- Arizona's Legislature has passed a controversial bill that would allow business owners, as long as they assert their religious beliefs, to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html

It is on the governor's desk for signature.


Why would you call this an "anti-gay" law. It in no way infringes on a person's right to be gay.

It only allows a business person who has religious beliefs against homosexuality to refuse to serve a person who is, in his eyes, an a*********n before his God.

In a true Christian believer's eyes, such an act of knowingly participating in gay behavior, would be a sin. The gay person has no right to FORCE a business owner to violate his religious beliefs.

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Feb 21, 2014 21:08:53   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
ginnyt wrote:
(CNN) -- Arizona's Legislature has passed a controversial bill that would allow business owners, as long as they assert their religious beliefs, to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html

It is on the governor's desk for signature.



I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no respect for either Christianity or Judaism or those people who hold firm beliefs in right and wrong. However, this is the same government that allows Muslims to dress according to sharia law, and allows areas that are largely Muslim to have their own local laws that follow their religion.Apparently the same is not permitted for the majority religions in America.

I am having problems trying to determine why a particular group of people, homosexuals, cannot be discriminated against because of their behavior. There is no documented biological cause for sexual orientation, and no "gay" gene. Nor has any development problem in uturo ever been found to determine orientation. Orientation is a learned behavior. Many people have been homosexual as teenagers and become heterosexual as adults. There are even groups such as Families and Friends of EX GAYS who can help people who do not wish to behave in a homosexual manner become straight. In the mean time two percent of the population is making demands that we forget our religion so we can service them. And it is only the activists who are pushing, most homosexuals know they can find people to provide services who are happy to work for and with them.

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Feb 21, 2014 21:13:28   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I guess I should have made my position clear. I hope that Brewer signs this into law and I further hope that it goes nationwide. No one, regardless of the business should have to cater to something that goes against their principals or their religious beliefs.

I am guilty of coping and pasting the article as it was written. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

no propaganda please wrote:
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no respect for either Christianity or Judaism or those people who hold firm beliefs in right and wrong. However, this is the same government that allows Muslims to dress according to sharia law, and allows areas that are largely Muslim to have their own local laws that follow their religion.Apparently the same is not permitted for the majority religions in America.

I am having problems trying to determine who a particular group of people, homosexuals, cannot be discriminated against because of their behavior. There is no documented biological cause for sexual orientation, and no "gay" gene. Nor has any development problem in uturo ever been found to determine orientation. Orientation is a learned behavior. Many people have been homosexual as teenagers and become heterosexual as adults. There are even groups such as Families and Friends of EX GAYS who can help people who do not wish to behave in a homosexual manner become straight. In the mean time two percent of the population is making demands that we forget our religion so we can service them. And it is only the activists who are pushing, most homosexuals know they can find people to provide services who are happy to work for and with them.
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no r... (show quote)

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Feb 21, 2014 21:14:04   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I guess I should have made my position clear. I hope that Brewer signs this into law and I further hope that it goes nationwide. No one, regardless of the business should have to cater to something that goes against their principals or their religious beliefs.

I am guilty of coping and pasting the article as it was written. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

no propaganda please wrote:
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no respect for either Christianity or Judaism or those people who hold firm beliefs in right and wrong. However, this is the same government that allows Muslims to dress according to sharia law, and allows areas that are largely Muslim to have their own local laws that follow their religion.Apparently the same is not permitted for the majority religions in America.

I am having problems trying to determine who a particular group of people, homosexuals, cannot be discriminated against because of their behavior. There is no documented biological cause for sexual orientation, and no "gay" gene. Nor has any development problem in uturo ever been found to determine orientation. Orientation is a learned behavior. Many people have been homosexual as teenagers and become heterosexual as adults. There are even groups such as Families and Friends of EX GAYS who can help people who do not wish to behave in a homosexual manner become straight. In the mean time two percent of the population is making demands that we forget our religion so we can service them. And it is only the activists who are pushing, most homosexuals know they can find people to provide services who are happy to work for and with them.
I know that the left, particularly Obama, has no r... (show quote)

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Feb 21, 2014 21:54:00   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
To have some sort of balanced discussion of this matter it's best to have posted as printed. I'm proof that you don't have to act on your physical desires. Most gays I know wouldn't want to get a cake etc. From such a bakery or establishment. I'm wondering if they have had issues or are planning for what might happen in the future? I find nothing wrong with thus action.
its their prerogative. And christians are tired of being bullied.
ginnyt wrote:
I guess I should have made my position clear. I hope that Brewer signs this into law and I further hope that it goes nationwide. No one, regardless of the business should have to cater to something that goes against their principals or their religious beliefs.

I am guilty of coping and pasting the article as it was written. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

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Feb 21, 2014 21:55:26   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
ginnyt wrote:
...No one, regardless of the business should have to cater to something that goes against their principals or their religious beliefs...


While I agree with you we must remember that BEING a homosexual is not a sin while PRACTICING homosexuality is.

And don't forget Romans 3:23 - For EVERYONE has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.

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Feb 21, 2014 22:08:19   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
mwdegutis wrote:
While I agree with you we must remember that BEING a homosexual is not a sin while PRACTICING homosexuality is.

And don't forget Romans 3:23 - For EVERYONE has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
that's the real deal. I'm still gay. I'm just not sinning and I'm forgiven. Not many can have a hetero marriage without very real heart break for the women they married. Just saying but this is a good law either way. And its fair for all

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Feb 21, 2014 22:16:49   #
rumitoid
 
Why should Christians be forced to serve adulterers, the greedy, the envious, and so on for that matter. Perhaps a little questionnaire about other private behavior that could be considered sinful.

As noted, purchasing a product or service in a store is not practicing homosexuality.

This law is akin to Rand Paul's objection that businesses are forced not to discriminate against minorities. E******y appears to be a movable principle to him.

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Feb 21, 2014 22:34:00   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
mwdegutis wrote:
While I agree with you we must remember that BEING a homosexual is not a sin while PRACTICING homosexuality is.

And don't forget Romans 3:23 - For EVERYONE has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.


I do not judge people, it is not my job or any human's. I however, support the rights of establishments to have a belief system and they should not have to ignore their religion in support of laws or public opinion.

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Feb 21, 2014 22:38:15   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
ginnyt wrote:
I do not judge people, it is not my job or any human's. I however, support the rights of establishments to have a belief system and they should not have to ignore their religion in support of laws or public opinion.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 21, 2014 22:43:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
There are ample shops that only care about their profits that will service these individuals. The act of intercourse rarely takes place in public, however the displays of affection such as passionately kissing, inappropriate grouping of privates do occur.

I think that the laws that force employers to employment a ratio of minorities should be abolished. People should be hired due to capabilities and not the tone of their skin. Qualification, work ethic, and attendance, and so forth are few of the things that needs to be addressed. Skin tone, or lack thereof is unfair and unjust to those who are qualified. Do away with discrimination, allow store owners sell to those they want and allow hiring authorities hire the best candidate.

rumitoid wrote:
Why should Christians be forced to serve adulterers, the greedy, the envious, and so on for that matter. Perhaps a little questionnaire about other private behavior that could be considered sinful.

As noted, purchasing a product or service in a store is not practicing homosexuality.

This law is akin to Rand Paul's objection that businesses are forced not to discriminate against minorities. E******y appears to be a movable principle to him.

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Feb 21, 2014 22:56:49   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
I believe you meant groping not grouping?? Auto correct??
ginnyt wrote:
There are ample shops that only care about their profits that will service these individuals. The act of intercourse rarely takes place in public, however the displays of affection such as passionately kissing, inappropriate grouping of privates do occur.

I think that the laws that force employers to employment a ratio of minorities should be abolished. People should be hired due to capabilities and not the tone of their skin. Qualification, work ethic, and attendance, and so forth are few of the things that needs to be addressed. Skin tone, or lack thereof is unfair and unjust to those who are qualified. Do away with discrimination, allow store owners sell to those they want and allow hiring authorities hire the best candidate.
There are ample shops that only care about their p... (show quote)

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Feb 21, 2014 22:56:55   #
Viral
 
A similar bill was struck down by the Kansas senate recently. While the bill is, essentially, legalized discrimination, it was struck down because it would be extremely detrimental to business (and possibly severely damaging to e******n campaigns).

By the letter of the law, I could legally discriminate against *anyone* because of a subjective "sincerely" held religious belief. This isn't limited to homosexuals, it extends to any group I so choose, for example I could refuse service to bigots, or Christians.

Ignoring the draconian implications with this law, I doubt Arizona seriously considered the impact of legal discrimination on business.

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Feb 21, 2014 23:04:38   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
cant beleve wrote:
I believe you meant groping not grouping?? Auto correct??


Thank you. I could blame the computer, but I made the mistake and did not proffread my comment. Spelling was never a strong suite, I love math and science. An old computer engineer....it is not hard to spell 1 or 0. LOL

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you for catching the mistake!

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