Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

AZ passes lots of laws that the liberal states call crazy and unconstitutional among other things. Right now they have a sheriff that has a monitor watching him everyday, it has not stopped him from picking up illegals or busting their safe houses or their drug houses. AZ dances to its own music. We will see if Brewer has what it takes to sign the bill. The other things you mentioned, I do not see how they are religiously connected. For example, it is already on the books that bars can refuse to sell drinks to someone intoxicated. On the books is a law that says, if a person appears unsanitary a food establishment can refuse service. So, unless a person came in shouting things about others that would make you to think they are a bigot, then how would you know? Unless a person came in with bible in hand and starts preaching how would you know they are Christian? Jewish people are different, we rarely go to establishments that are not kosher. If two men come in and they do not show outward signs of their sexual preference, then how would you know if they are gay?

Viral

So it's OK to allow discrimination if someone is overtly violating your delicate sensibilities?

Public safety concerns equate to religious beliefs how again?

It's a completely different story if it is widely known that a bar (for example) doesn't like a particular demographic, and you, being of that demographic and aware of their particular predilection would more than likely not patronize that bar. Allowing someone to discriminate against anyone is a against our better nature, is contrary to the love that is preached in most religions, and violates federal mandates protecting civil liberties.

Namely, it is a clear violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You seem to be ignoring the establishment's rights under the 14th Amendment. Also most intelligent people are aware of establishments that are not friendly to particular behaviors. And, perhaps service to those people go against the owner "better nature." Regarding public safety concerns, I only rolled with your comments. The Constitution was not written just to protect Negro, Illegals, and Gays. It was written for the benefit of all CITIZENS of the US.

It is okay to discriminate against things that offend my sensibilities. We as humans do it all the time. I do not steal, kill, I believe in one God, I did not cheat on my spouse even in thought (he passed away), I do not have idols of Gods in my home, I do not swear by the name of God, I loved, respected and prayed for both my parents that they should live long and happy lives, I will not go to court and lie for anyone, and finally there is nothing that my neighbor owns that I want for myself. Because someone else find it acceptable to do any of the above does not require me to. I will not obey any law that requires me to break or betray my ethics. So, if it offends my sensibilities as outlined, then yes I will be discriminatory and reject the actions or person.

The 14th Amended has been revisited many times and further the courts have interpreted the word "person" to include corporations. Therefore, they too are protected by "due process" along with being granted "equal protection."

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Spelling 1 would be one.

Spelling 0 would be zero.

Sorry, perverse sense of humor on the loose. :| :)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You are right. I forget and fall back into program mode.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I was being perverse. I have acquaintance with several who are computer engineers. I understood your post. It seems the "evil genie" loosed herself. :lol: :roll: :D

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I am working on humor.... I am doing my best. And no, I took your post the way you intended.

Imagine, I had to set through Mom last night with Mike.... I did not get it! He has also made me listen to George Carland. I did not like him, did not find him funny. Am I a lost cause?

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Considering the fact Carlin rarely managed more then three words without a profanity, I would agree.

I have failed in my commitment to find amusements for you to throw at Michael. What are his hobbies? I was successful with two individuals as I knew they liked fishing. It will work best if I can orient it toward something of that nature. We shall plot against him. :twisted: :-D :thumbup:

Viral

The amendment clearly states Citizens rights shall not be abridged by a law of a State. Arizona is a State making a law that abridges the rights of Citizens by allowing them to be discriminated against. It also violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Unless you're discriminating against homosexuality which isn't specifically mentioned in that law, but once the Constitutionality of this travesty is challenged (if it even gets signed into law) the SCOTUS will likely find that discrimination based on sexual orientation is equally reprehensible.

You do all these wonderfully Christian things, though you left out loving thy neighbor as thyself. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make them less of a person worthy of State sanctioned discrimination.

And how exactly is State sanctioned discrimination a good thing for all Citizens? We can already see in the microcosm of this board that hate and intolerance get us nowhere.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

"No soup for you" (Spike Feresten).

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I am trying to determine how, as an example, a wedding cake is "life, liberty, or property". Your contention would be my work, as a baker, is their property under the 14th Amendment?

The meme that same gender issues have become a "civil rights" issue translates to they have a civil right to the product of my personal work? Really!?

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I disagree. And I see that you and I will not see eye to eye. Therefore, I suggest that you and I agree to disagree.

I am not a Christian. I am Jewish. Roman Emperor Constantine or Emperor Theodosius were unable to command us to accept their concept of religion. Now I know that this will raise the hair on your neck. I suggest that you not just read your bible, but research history and in particular religious history. I can suggest an excellent book: A History of Christian Thought, Vol. 1: From the Beginnings to the Council of Chalcedon. It will help you understand.

As for love my neighbor. A large part of Jewish law is about treating people with kindness. The same body of Jewish law that commands us to eat only kosher food and not to turn on lights on Shabbat, also commands us to love both Jews and strangers, to give tzedakah (charity) to the poor and needy, and not to wrong anyone in speech or in business. In fact, acts of kindness are so much a part of Jewish law that the word "mitzvah" (literally, "commandment") is informally used to mean any good deed.

Pirkei Avot, a book of the Mishnah, teaches that the universe depends on three things: on Torah (law), on avodah (service to G-d), and on g'milut chasadim (usually translated as "acts of loving kindness") (Avot 1:2), perhaps drawing from Psalm 89:3, "the universe is built on kindness" (more commonly translated as "forever is mercy built"). In fact, this quote has become a popular song in synagogues: Al Shlosha D'varim (On Three Things). The Mishnah also describes g'milut chasadim as one of the few mitzvot (commandments) for which there is no minimum amount sufficient to satisfy your obligation. (Pe'ah 1:1; reiterated in Talmud Chagigah 7a). That verse also describes g'milut chasadim as one of the few things that one derive benefit from in this world and yet still be rewarded for in the world to come. The Talmud says that g'milut chasadim is greater than tzedakah (charity), because unlike tzedakah, g'milut chasadim can be done for both poor and rich, both the living and the dead, and can be done with money or with acts. (Talmud Sukkah 49b).
At no place does it say that we are obligated to behave as others, adopt their habits, or conform to laws that would cause us to breech our covenant with God. Homosexual orientation is not a sin in Judaism, but homosexual acts are and forbidden by the Torah.

Having educated you, I have just one more point. You are known by the company you keep. In that, if you are always in the company of sin, it often becomes common for you and can become accepted. My attitude is to always be kind in word and action, to give feely without regret and not to judge others.

I support those people who do not want to associate with those that make them uncomfortable for any reason. I think that denial of service is rare, but should someone elect to not serve because it offends their religious convictions, then they should have that right.

JimMe

Sounds discriminatory to Atheist Business Owners... Unless they can also deny gay and lesbian customers service based on not believing in homosexual lifestyles period...

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

That bridge will be crossed if enacted I'm sure atheists will see to it. Even though it's. Very arbitrary.

American

Amen!!!! Thank you!