Finally the GOP has a plan to combat school violence (Page 2): CHIEF JUSTICE SCALIA MURDERED, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise ATTEMPTED MURDER ALONG WITH OTHER REPUBLICAN.

dune

CHIEF JUSTICE SCALIA MURDERED, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise ATTEMPTED MURDER ALONG WITH OTHER REPUBLICAN.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

dune wrote:

CHIEF JUSTICE SCALIA MURDERED, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise ATTEMPTED MURDER ALONG WITH OTHER REPUBLICAN.

I sure wouldn't put it past them not for one minute !

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

PoppaGringo wrote:

Automatic weapons are already illegal, unless, of course, one pays a fee and has a permit for same from ATF.

For clarification, may I suggest you reread the NICS IAA of 2007?

1 - It sounds to me like automatic weapons are legal if one has the money to buy them. That is de facto not illegal, but controlled.

2 - I have re-read NICS IAA of 2007, and in addition I have researched it, its intent and its power. I stand by my opinion that it should be re-instated.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

PaulPisces wrote:

1 - It sounds to me like automatic weapons are legal if one has the money to buy them. That is de facto not illegal, but controlled.

2 - I have re-read NICS IAA of 2007, and in addition I have researched it, its intent and its power. I stand by my opinion that it should be re-instated.

Collectors are the only ones, to my knowledge, that get fully automatic weapons. To get a permit for one the prospective buyer has to go through many hoops to get a permit for one. They are extremely difficult to obtain. And, they have to be renewed ever so often, not sure on the timelines.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

PoppaGringo wrote:

Collectors are the only ones, to my knowledge, that get fully automatic weapons. To get a permit for one the prospective buyer has to go through many hoops to get a permit for one. They are extremely difficult to obtain. And, they have to be renewed ever so often, not sure on the timelines.

I'm wondering how you would defend your position in a room filled with the parents, spouses and other survivors of mass shootings.
The idea that there is nothing to be done except enforce existing laws is a stale, selfish one that is, hopefully, fast being seen for what it is.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0057.htm

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

PaulPisces wrote:

I'm wondering how you would defend your position in a room filled with the parents, spouses and other survivors of mass shootings.
The idea that there is nothing to be done except enforce existing laws is a stale, selfish one that is, hopefully, fast being seen for what it is.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0057.htm

To whom are you replying? It certainly can't be me as I haven't commented on anything you are referencing.

dune

http://www.psychlawjournal.com/2012/12/school-shootings-what-are-odds.html

SCHOOLS AROUND ME CONTROL WHO COMES INTO THE SCHOOL. BUT WHEN THE SCHOOL GETS OUT THERE ARE MASSES OF CHILDREN AND PARENTS THAT COULD BE SQUASHED BY A VEHICLE. MAYBE A GUN IS MORE PERSONAL, BUT IF IT IS RANDOM KILLINGS, TRUCKS WORK. THERE IS ALWAYS AN AMBUSH POINT, IF YOU ARE A DETERMINED MURDER THERE IS NOTHING TO HOLD YOU BACK BUT A GOOD GUY AND HOPEFULLY HE IS ARMED, NOBODY ARMED, WELL THEN MORE KILLED WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE POLICE.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-odds-of-getting-shot-by-mass-killer-compared-to-other-means-of-death

Big Kahuna

Airforceone wrote:

It’s amazing reading all these foolish theories th... (show quote)

95% of all gun murders are statistically caused by alt left nut cases and whack jobs who have been incited to violence by the leftist media's incessant negative rants and the demonratic parties bigotry, racism, anti God , anti Christian, pro abortion, pro violence, anti American, pro illegal immigrants and their drug cartels and gangs, pro illegal sanctuary cities and the parties stance against everything moral, good, and uplifting. We wonder why we have all these kids that have been indoctrinated by leftist ideology shooting up all these kids in school houses and never realize WE NEED TO STOP TEACHING OUR KIDS THESE DESTRUCTIVE LEFTIST VALUES AND IDEOLOGY!!!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

drlarrygino wrote:

95% of all gun murders are statistically caused by... (show quote)

Well said drlarry..

vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

PaulPisces wrote:

And here are a couple of things that have come through my Facebook feed recently.
There are no simple answers, but I still think these are food for thought, for sure.

Do you know why the NRA was created? Do you have a firm understanding what 2nd Amendment is all about? Do you know the definition for domocide? Do you believe evil ended in World War II. Which political groups disarmed they citizens and then proceeded to murder more than 200 hundred million of its own citizens after doing so?

teabag09

In the 60's a bunch of us who hunted carried our shotguns and ammo to school and kept them in our lockers so we could dove and rabbit hunt behind the school. Never heard about a school shooting, ANYWHERE!

In the 80's, my daughter's high school principle had 4 assistant principles, all carried exposed firearms. They were retired police and or military. The principle, Mr. Hardy, put up with NO SHIT in HIS school and had no problem letting students and PARENTS know that.

My daughter's graduating class sent 3 players to the NFL and 2 to MLB, all of who graduated college as did my daughter. To this day none have taken a knee.

The left has ruined this country and too many parents are not doing their job. It is up to parents to raise their kids, not leftist teachers.

My Granddaughter wanted an ATV as we spend a lot of time at Hunt Camp. Her parents told her that if she saved up $250.00 they would make up the rest. About $500.00. Well she put her nose to the grindstone doing extra things for money and with the help of birthdays and Christmas she saved the money up. This weekend, I had the pleasure of watching her zoom around camp with a grin on her face that would light up the world on a wet gray day, which it was.

I think the President is trying to get this kind of mind set re-enforced in society again. It's going to be up to all of us to understand that, yes, we need change but not the kind of change the democrats and obama had, have in mind. Mike

PoppaGringo wrote:

And here I thought you were better 'fed' than that, but I see I erred once again.

teabag09

Blade, you need to ask your doctor why Air Ports, Courts, most Malls and so many other places have metal detectors, armed guards and other protections against attacks, but not schools. You need to ask the good Dr. why, why is it only GUN FREE ZONES that seem to be attacked and not gun shows, which by the way you're not allowed to enter with an armed weapon, but you can bet the vendors are armed to the hilt.

Blade, you need to ask your Dr. why the left took GOD out of schools, why they took the pledge out of school, why they discourage parental up bringing of their children through the welfare system which condemned them to the barrios and the hell of gangs, crime, drugs and one baby after another because the abortion clinics can't keep up.

Blade, there's so much more that you need to ask your Dr. and I, knowing you, will. Mike

Blade_Runner wrote:

I swear, listening to the fallacious tirades from anti-gun wonks is like listening to retards trying to tell dirty jokes without punch lines. Anti-gun porn with no orgasms. With all the uncontrollable emotions and sanctimonious passion and no facts in sight, no hint of reason or rational thought, it's like listening to a psyche patient revealing his perverse sexual obsessions.

Well, how's the therapy going so far, doc, making any progress?

Dunno, we've managed to eliminate every type of firearm on earth except one--the AR15. Yep, apparently our patients' are overcome with a completely irrational fear of this thing. They believe the AR15 is the most powerful killing machine on earth just behind the 100 kiloton nuclear warhead. We can't seem to get past the "assault rifle" meme, or that the damned thing is a "military styled weapon", and the fact that the AR15 is usually black seems have a significant influence. Black as you know, is the absence of color and is associated with the mysterious, the sinister, with darkness and the negative. Then, there's this thing about the capacity of the ammunition magazines. The "high capacity" meme. In relative terms, 30 rounds is not a hell of lot of ammo, but our patients don't see it that way.

How so? Thirty rounds can do some serious damage.

Well, yes, but now the AR15 paranoids have upped the ante. If you peruse all the rants in the media, in tweets, on facebook, in youtube comments, and the like, you will find an inexplicable obsession with increased magazine capacities. Beyond thirty rounds. Now they are talking about 50, 60, and 100 round capacities. As if these kinds of things were proliferating. Thing is, among law-abiding AR15 owners, a 50 round stick mag or a 100 round electric drum are novelties, these mags are expensive, running between eighty dollars for a 50 round stick up to one hundred and fifty bucks for a spring driven drum. Some quality electric drums run over three hundred. Twenty and thirty round mags go for ten to twenty bucks. Then there is the weight factor. Put a thirty round mag in an eight pound gun and you add another pound. Put a fifty round stick or a hundred round drum in an eight pound gun and you not only add considerable bulk but you have a gun that weighs between twelve and fifteen pounds. It is reasonable to say that probably 90% of AR15 owners don't equip themselves with such novelty items.

What's the prognosis, doc, is there any hope?

I thought so once. But now I don't have much confidence in success. Not since a mentally ill young fella walked into a high school in Florida and killed 17 people. I mean, how do you convince a mentally disturbed patient that a mentally disturbed individual did the killing and that the gun he used is incidental? There is a complete disconnect here. A snake swallowing its own tail.

So, what is the solution, doctor?

Ha, that's the question, isn't it? We certainly won't find it in the highly charged emotions of those who dance on the graves of dead children. We won't find the answer in the rantings and ravings of hoplophobes or in the sanctimonious passions of fearful malcontents or in the ignorant screeds from mentally unbalanced individuals. We won't find the answers in ideologically driven demogogues or in the halls of congress. The answers lie well outside the world of symptoms and effects, outside the field of politics and political correctness. We must look for answers in the disease, in the causes of indiscriminate violence in our society. Psychologists, psychiatrists, sociologists, behavioral scientists, physicians, even philosophers and honest politicians must look beyond the symptoms, the effects, if there is any hope of ever curing the disease.

Let me put it this way, we must first take the killing instrument out of the equation and focus on what caused a sick human being to pull the trigger.

Damn, anything I can do to help?

Yes. Pray.

I swear, listening to the fallacious tirades from ... (show quote)

teabag09

Eden, the NRA has nothing to do with this. This has to do with the destruction of our society since the 1960's and actually before that. It has to do with the decimation of the family, the belief in a GOD that this Country was founded on. The hedonistic direction of the left who incrementally have been taking the people down a rat hole.

Get your head out of the clouds and pay attention. You have a computer, study both sides for the last 60 years, and really try to see what has and is happening and then come back, and lets talk. I'm sure we can have a great discussion and will probably agree on more things than we would right now. Mike

eden wrote:

Once again the implied lack of character in place of an honest response to a well made and succinct point. This is a complex problem that cannot be addressed by diversionary one liners and morally evasive NRA talking points.

teabag09

We certainly know YOU shouldn't have any. Unless of course it's a Matte Mattel cap pistol. If you acknowledge, you're ageing yourself. Mike

PaulPisces wrote:

Making automatic and semi-automatic weapons illega... (show quote)

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

teabag09 wrote:

Blade, you need to ask your doctor why Air Ports, ... (show quote)

No, teabag, I don't have to ask my doctor any of those questions. I am well aware of the situation. The only thing I need to ask my doctor is why my blood pressure goes up every time I listen to a liberal tell us how we should live our lives.