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NFW, Mike

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I am glad to say, the princiles expressed by that word are some which I hold dear..

I want to congratulate you on you ability to so quickly recognize and appreciate the complicated and convoluted expression of this wonderful new word..

I did it and I am proud..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Darn, I hate it when I am not 100% correct, but you are either..

This from time.com should be more accurate..

http://time.com/5160355/ar-15-rifle-florida-parkland-school-shooting/

Six of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the U.S. over the past decade have used an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. The latest instance was Wednesday’s high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, which left 17 dead and 14 others injured.

The gun used in the shooting was a Smith and Wesson M&P AR-15, federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press. The same model weapon was used in previous mass shootings, including the Aurora, Colo., movie theater shooting that claimed 12 lives and the rampage in San Bernardino, Calif., that claimed 14.

These rifles and other versions of the AR-15 are the civilian equivalent of fully-automatic M16 rifles used by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. They are fancied by gun owners because they are typically easy to purchase — often for less than $1,000 — and can be customized with a number of accessories, such as bump stocks, which essentially convert the semi-automatic weapons into fully-automatics. A bump stock was deployed by the assailant in the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, which left 58 dead, making it the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

Up until that point, the country’s deadliest mass shooting had occurred just a year prior at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, where the perpetrator used an SIG MCX semi-automatic rifle — highly similar to AR-15s in aesthetic and purpose — to kill 49 people. Comparable weapons were also used at Sandy Hook Elementary School (27 dead) and a Sutherland Springs, Texas, church (25 dead).

The high number of fatalities in these incidents highlight how AR-15-style guns, much like their M16 cousin, are capable of inflicting serious damage to a number of people at once.

“For practical purposes, for the person that’s just tuning in, the non-gun owner, it’s a very similar type of firearm,” Rob Pincus, who has made a career out of training armed professionals, told TIME.

A debate over whether civilians should have access to these weapons has been ongoing for years. In 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, an assault weapons ban was introduced in Congress, but was struck down by a vote of 40 to 60. It would have barred the “sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation” of customizable semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I tend to agree with much of what you and Loki have to say.. so maybe we should go back to trying to ban handguns.. Remember all the noise about "Saturday night specials"?

So, correct banning Assault style guns will not stop shootings. But perhaps would reduce them.. The Clinton law of the 90s was pretty successful. How often did we deal with mass killings back then?

It is no longer possible to ban these guns, millions of the floating around according to most sources..

So, If we accept that banning an particular type of gun would be pointless, what shall we do?

Accept the killing of bunch of kids now and then as a price of gun ownership.. Maybe the equivalent of a "carbon tax" on these firearms? Calculate the probable cost of all funerals and recovery cost of wounded,

add that cost to purchase price of the style of gun or all guns and provide free funerals for all victims??

we are a fine and proud nation, it is unthinkable that we do nothing at all about all the gun deaths.. Some regulations must be made, along with enforcement...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I find the idea of armed teachers to be only a step down from a guarded prison..

If we address only the school shooting/killings, I think the construction of the two door controlled entry would be cheaper and much more practical than hired or volunteer armed guards..

very few teacher would be suited mentally to have guns on hand and the presence of gun in a class room would have more not less damage and injury to students and staff.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Our leftist friends just won't admit their number one goal. Ban all guns!

Loki Loc: Georgia

The Clinton ban had absolutely NO effect, none, on shootings, mass or otherwise. We were already in a downward trend that continued unaffected by the so called ban. Millions of rifles and tens of millions of magazines. Rots of Ruck with that one. I have yet to hear a Liberal explain why our murder rate has been cut in half in the past 20 years, in spite of having 40 million more people, 100 million more firearms in private hands, and the issuance of more than 12 million carry permits. You call us troglodytes and say we see boogers behind every bush, yet in Texas in 2013, the last year I was able to obtain data, out of 497 convictions for murder and manslaughter, ONE was a permit holder. Here in GA after issuing more than 600,000 carry permits, barely one hundred have been convicted of a firearms crime. We are talking a tiny fraction of one percent here. Permit holders are among the most law abiding people in the world.
It is the same with semi-autos. Twenty years ago when the murder rate was far higher and revolvers were the weapon of choice, all the talk was banning handguns. Now revolvers are politically correct; not because they have become less deadly, but because they have become less popular. Check the FBI's Uniform Crime Report; you will find that mass shootings notwithstanding, more people are killed every year with knives than with those evil awful semi-autos. The same can be said for clubs. Not just semi-auto rifles, but ALL rifles and shotguns. Let's hear it for banning knives, baseball bats and pipe wrenches.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I'll be damned. We actually agree on something.

bahmer

As well as automobiles and trucks both small and large and then don't forget to ban trains and airplanes as well especially the small privately owned airplanes.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Wow,,

Perhaps goodness still dwells in the heart of man..

Loki Loc: Georgia

More like appreciation of a sensible suggestion regarding school doors.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Ultimately, the research concluded that it was “premature to make definitive assessments of the ban’s impact on gun crime,” largely because the law’s grandfathering of millions of pre-ban assault weapons and large-capacity magazines “ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually” and were “still unfolding” when the ban expired in 2004.



the only conclusive information i can find is that it will be a cold day before any gun legislation get passed again..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

what seems so good to some of us does not even get a mention by those proposing measures that could help..

glad we agree on this..

Loki Loc: Georgia

It offers protection without stepping on the toes of the law abiding.