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Feb 7, 2018 00:41:59   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
I know you know. Or should but this is well done and fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P318bELif8

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Feb 7, 2018 06:28:24   #
rebob14
 
RETW wrote:
In other words, you can't answer the question. No surprise there.


So tell us all, why does there have to be an opposing side? Why is there not just the right side?


Because........people!

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Feb 7, 2018 06:35:12   #
Big Kahuna
 
PeterS wrote:
How can you have a serious discussion when the first thing you do is point your finger at the opposing side. If you want to know what's wrong with the country then stand up and take a bow because you nailed it right there.

Have fun getting serious with your conservative friends. Maybe you can build a boat and go play in the pond...

Most of the problem started when LBJ started his leftist Great Society program which was started to give free handouts to blacks so that the demonratic party could capture the black vote. The program, which never was great but was a great fiscal catastrophe added more and more people to the program and made Americans lazy but made them wanting to vote for the lame demonrats since they were giving away "free stuff". The demonrats saw how effective this lousy, inept program was and decided giving things away would keep people "on their plantation" so they kept the program going to this day and now we are completely broke and the Great Society helped no one but the demonratic elite. The demonrats now offer or want to offer unlimited illegal immigration, free ovommit phones, free health care, free education, food stamps for all, no demands on who migrates to our country, no morals or values, free drugs, free birth control, free prophylactics, free drivers licenses for illegals, and on and in it goes. Nothing is free and we all feel the sting but basically this is why we are in this current quagmire and one side keeps pushing the envelope to give away freebies for votes!!!

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Feb 7, 2018 08:04:10   #
plainlogic
 
PeterS wrote:
How can you have a serious discussion when the first thing you do is point your finger at the opposing side. If you want to know what's wrong with the country then stand up and take a bow because you nailed it right there.

Have fun getting serious with your conservative friends. Maybe you can build a boat and go play in the pond...


I don't see any sort of rebuttal from your liberal side. How about responding to it, unless you're using the rules for radicals and have nothing to defend.

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Feb 7, 2018 08:06:33   #
plainlogic
 
RETW wrote:
In other words, you can't answer the question. No surprise there.


So tell us all, why does there have to be an opposing side? Why is there not just the right side?



Ooops, just your side uh?

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Feb 7, 2018 08:26:42   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Most of the problem started when LBJ started his leftist Great Society program which was started to give free handouts to blacks so that the demonratic party could capture the black vote. The program, which never was great but was a great fiscal catastrophe added more and more people to the program and made Americans lazy but made them wanting to vote for the lame demonrats since they were giving away "free stuff". The demonrats saw how effective this lousy, inept program was and decided giving things away would keep people "on their plantation" so they kept the program going to this day and now we are completely broke and the Great Society helped no one but the demonratic elite. The demonrats now offer or want to offer unlimited illegal immigration, free ovommit phones, free health care, free education, food stamps for all, no demands on who migrates to our country, no morals or values, free drugs, free birth control, free prophylactics, free drivers licenses for illegals, and on and in it goes. Nothing is free and we all feel the sting but basically this is why we are in this current quagmire and one side keeps pushing the envelope to give away freebies for votes!!!
Most of the problem started when LBJ started his l... (show quote)


I think the movement toward socialism and/or communism is much older that that. FDR had a lot of communist sympathizers in his administration. He had Enough real Communists there to to help him get his socialist programs through, even though to do so lengthened the recovery from the recession. Sen. McCarthy was proven correct only when the Venona papers came out, but by then McCarthy had been blacklisted by history and his reputation forever sullied. John Dewey and his socialist communists infiltrated the education system totally which is why todays universities are almost all run by them.

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Feb 7, 2018 08:32:45   #
okie don
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I know you know. Or should but this is well done and fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P318bELif8


Thanks Ron
EXCELLENT educational video. -
Things we weren't taught in 'gubment schools ' - wonder why??? (:

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Feb 7, 2018 08:44:18   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
There always has been corruption in politics from the very beginning but it really started to get bad when the Clinton's took control then getting worse thru GW's run and then went really off base with Obama the left wants to turn America into a Socialist Communist country with them in full power .

Democrat policies have been made very clear keep the poor , poor extinguish the middle class and as we are now seeing stuffing out free speech etc etc etc

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Feb 7, 2018 09:15:35   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
It started in the garden, got worse when Cain slew Able and worse when people multiplied and move into big cities and rulers thought they were gods, like Rocket Man.

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Feb 7, 2018 09:39:35   #
teabag09
 
Animal Farm. Mike
Peewee wrote:
It started in the garden, got worse when Cain slew Able and worse when people multiplied and move into big cities and rulers thought they were gods, like Rocket Man.

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Feb 7, 2018 09:46:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)


"Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please."
Thanks for asking, 2bltap.

(written in 1992; GHW Bush was running again against Bill Clinton. The 2012 and 2016 updates are in brackets) ()
Party politics: “The Fix” was always in:
The majority of Americans have been disgusted with our government “representatives”, and what is happening in America. The frustration had been spreading, but this time, Americans did not fall for “The Fix”. It should have been obvious that something had to change; but what? To solve any problem, “the root cause” must be discovered, understood, exposed, and eliminated.
In the realm of politics; exposing “the root cause” of America’s decline on any significant scale, has been unattainable. Almost all major media is directed and controlled by “the root cause” which sets “The Fix”.
Decade after decade, and election after election; too many voters have fallen for “The Fix”. They either didn’t vote out of disgust; or they voted for “the lesser of two evils”. This syndrome has put America where it is today, and evil has continued to prosper.
Give thought to “The Fix”: The Democratic Party promotes a variety of liberals/socialists, (“progressives”), and the Republican Party promotes a variety of “Conservatives” (old line conservatives, and covert global socialists/NeoCONS; The Bushes and their “New World Order” are two examples). Under both parties, our Constitutional Republic (not democracy), has been decimated. The Constitution and the principles that made our country the most prosperous, and the envy of the world, has been replaced with a semi-covert agenda for global socialism. Few Americans understand the purpose of the globalist agenda; but most politicians believe in it, or have sold out to it. That is why their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution have been meaningless to most of them.
“The Root Cause” of our country’s decline; is the privately owned Federal Reserve System (banks), and their control of our money and economy. The perpetrators are the Internationalist Banking Cabal, whose policy it is, to create a global socialist “New World Order”.
With their vast wealth, media control (ownership), control of (“public”) education, and control of the party apparatus; they have been able to ensure that both parties nominated candidates that would carry out their agenda. With this control, the people fell for “The Fix”; out of disgust they either didn’t vote, or they felt compelled to vote for “the lesser of two evils”, – banker backed “A” or “B”. All other parties were ignored.
The voters are told, “no one else can win”, (“don’t Waste your vote”); now the scam was to convince the voters “who was the most electable against Obama”. It had to be someone that the ‘Powers That Be’ knew they could control, in order to ensure that their agenda was carried out. That agenda is a One World totalitarian socialist dictatorship, administered by their front men. I will as concisely as possible back this statement up with their own writings, and try to stir the readers to give this letter thought and thus, renounce the NWO agenda.

*******Both parties executive cabinets (national security advisors) are filled with members of “the Council on Foreign Relations” (CFR) and “the Trilateral Commission” (TC)). John D. Rockefeller formed the (CFR) in early 1920’s, and David Rockefeller formed the TC in 1973. David Rockefeller’s chief foreign policy advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, put the organization together for his boss. Jimmy Carter was made a TC founding member. After Carter was elected president, he filled his cabinet with CFR/TC members, with Zbigniew Brzezinski as his chief foreign policy “advisor”. Reagan’s cabinet began with fewer (CFR) members, but many non (CFR) members were drummed out of office. (with the help of the liberal MSM). When Reagan finished office, most were again CFR/TC members. Bush senior is a Trilateralist and 9 of 11 of his national security council are (CFR) members. Bill Clinton is a CFR/TC member, and attended the Bilderberg meeting last year. P. Volker, A. Greenspan, H. Kissinger, Robert Strange McNamara are but a few of the high officials that belong to the CFR, TC, and the Bilderberg Group.

To show where these people and organizations are coming from, I quote: TC report #23, 1982 – “… actions at the multinational level will be needed if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion …” (a policy to deindustrialize America) Now; please really reflect on what has happened under both parties CFR/TC administrations and Congresses.
Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in his book, “between two ages” p. 72 (1970) - “Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external active man over the inner passive man, and a victory of reason over belief.” This man, a Democrat and Henry Kissinger, a Republican; both employed by David Rockefeller, and both CFR/TC /Bilderberger members. Both are one world globalists (pro Marxist/Fascist, per their own writings). Think about it! Can you see how “The Fix” is ensuring a one world dictatorship, to be ruled by these parasitic elitists?
(Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) ( http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard.shtml )
In “Foreign Affairs ”(a CFR publication), April 1974, Richard Gardener, Ambassador to Italy, writes “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack.”
*** A FEW QUOTED WARNINGS ON BANKING ***
“If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given to them to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” - President Andrew Jackson (he revoked the U. S. Banking Charter in 1832. (A double misfire at point blank range of an attempted assassination saved his life.)
The Federal Reserve (privately owned banks) is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.” - Senator Louis T. McFadden, 1934 (chairman of the U. S. Banking and Currency Commission for over 10 years) (probably assassinated; there were several attempts on his life before his suspicious death )

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.” - President Thomas Jefferson
“All the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from a lack of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.” - President John Adams
This ignorance still exists by design. (A magnificent cover up, (made possible by both political parties, the LSM, and “public education”). Nothing has changed except the sophistication and advancement of their one world agenda; made possible with the increased corruption of our “leaders” (politicians). The internationalist bankers and their comrades, promote and fund any government that does their bidding; be it “democracy”, socialistic, communistic, dictatorship, or monarchy.
The above forms of government promote the separation of a worker from his earnings through taxation and/or extortion. The Constitution would not have allowed this, but it has been covertly circumvented. Understand that the banker’s (and politician’s) trusts and foundations are exempt from the income and inheritance taxes that they impose on American citizens. Also remember that the abolition of private property, a heavy progressive income tax, and abolition of inheritance, are the first three planks of the Communist Manifesto.
There is not enough space to cover the Bankster’s (and politician’s) political subterfuge with the interconnections of the Bilderberg Group, CFR, TC, CIA, IRS , and tax exempt foundations. Nor their use of their world government apparatus; United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, NAFTA, WTO, GATA and etc. All used to fund their NEW WORLD ORDER.
(The taxpayers have been held liable for TRILLIONS of “dollars” of the International Banking Cabal’s bad debts. European banks were bailed out via IMF US funding. The exact numbers , and too exactly who, is hidden from Congress. Another reason the Fed must be audited and fired)

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Feb 7, 2018 10:26:38   #
JediKnight
 
2bltap wrote:
In all my years of having been in the Corps and what have you, I have never been so concerned about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as I am now! I have to believe that all of this crap has been going on before I was even born! How in the world did all of this Sedition and Treason ever come about? As far as Im concerned, this is not a right or left issue, though I do fear that its been mostly on the Democratic side with some Republican assistance over the many years. The Democrats have always been the party of racist division as far as I know. Did all of this happen at the very beginning of our nation state? Perhaps Im either not as well informed as I thought I was or perhaps a mixture of that as well as some ignorance on my part. Please dont tell me this all started at the MayFlower landing as the Colonists were running away from tryanny under the king of England. So when did all of this start? Please, I would like to have a serious discussion about all of this. Please.
Semper FI

https://youtu.be/pySsViFqQYQ
In all my years of having been in the Corps and wh... (show quote)


Shipmate: First, thank you for your service! No, it did not start with the landing of the MayFlower, however, it did begin soon after. Most people simply refuse to receive the apparent truth because it is not pretty and not easily understood. Here's the short version: Yes, the colonists fled the tyranny of Britain and came to the "new world." The winter of 1620 when the colonists landed on Plymouth Rock was an extremely cold and harsh one. Many of the colonists were not able to endure the harsh winter and died from "flu like" symptoms. Had it not been for the grace of the Native Indians, the colonists would have frozen or starved that first winter. The Indians taught the colonists how to hunt and fish during the winter, how to make clothing, and how to store food. Not long after that, the colonists repaid the Indians by raiding their villages, killing all in sight -even children and the elderly. The colonists went so far as to make and break each and every treaty made with the Indians, and forced them to live on ever decreasing 'reservations' to control them. Totally outnumbered and out gunned (the colonists had 'black powder' and guns against the Indians hatchet, bow and arrows), the Indians had no choice but to obey the very same people who depended on them to live. When the colonists realized the Indians were adaptable and could live on the reservations with little to zero outside help, the colonists decided to speed up their demise by giving them blankets laced with small pox. That was the beginning. Not long after this, the colonists basically sought to "take over" the entire continent now known as America. The colonists (by now known as "white men" -which includes all European groups with white skin) begin to systematically corral and limit the freedom of other races and cultures -here think: Irish, Chinese, German, French, etc., to gain control over the land and livestock within. Skip ahead and slavery of the black man from Africa (and many other nations) was introduced....Over the decades, history reveals that the white man will invade and take over any group of people or nation that may have something of value that the white man doesn't - strangely, he calls it capitalism or free enterprise - while most others see it as greed and selfishness. Jump ahead to current times, and sadly, the cycle continues. However, due to the fact that many of the white race see the error of their ancestors and know in their hearts that "one race controlling all others" is not what was meant to be - the race is now divided. There are those who fight, scream and shout for the freedom, prosperity, and goodness available to those who choose to value diversity while striving for a "better world" together - and there are those who fight, scream and shout to cling to the 'old ways' -when the white man ruled all he surveyed without challenge or question - currently under the guise of "Making America Great Again" - the question remains; for whom? Tap - this of course is a very condensed explanation that skips over quite a bit. However, it is a reference place to start. I do not support our current administration, but will gladly engage in rational discourse -without the scuttlebutt - if that is what you seek.

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Feb 7, 2018 10:39:21   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
JediKnight wrote:
Shipmate: First, thank you for your service! No, it did not start with the landing of the MayFlower, however, it did begin soon after. Most people simply refuse to receive the apparent truth because it is not pretty and not easily understood. Here's the short version: Yes, the colonists fled the tyranny of Britain and came to the "new world." The winter of 1620 when the colonists landed on Plymouth Rock was an extremely cold and harsh one. Many of the colonists were not able to endure the harsh winter and died from "flu like" symptoms. Had it not been for the grace of the Native Indians, the colonists would have frozen or starved that first winter. The Indians taught the colonists how to hunt and fish during the winter, how to make clothing, and how to store food. Not long after that, the colonists repaid the Indians by raiding their villages, killing all in sight -even children and the elderly. The colonists went so far as to make and break each and every treaty made with the Indians, and forced them to live on ever decreasing 'reservations' to control them. Totally outnumbered and out gunned (the colonists had 'black powder' and guns against the Indians hatchet, bow and arrows), the Indians had no choice but to obey the very same people who depended on them to live. When the colonists realized the Indians were adaptable and could live on the reservations with little to zero outside help, the colonists decided to speed up their demise by giving them blankets laced with small pox. That was the beginning. Not long after this, the colonists basically sought to "take over" the entire continent now known as America. The colonists (by now known as "white men" -which includes all European groups with white skin) begin to systematically corral and limit the freedom of other races and cultures -here think: Irish, Chinese, German, French, etc., to gain control over the land and livestock within. Skip ahead and slavery of the black man from Africa (and many other nations) was introduced....Over the decades, history reveals that the white man will invade and take over any group of people or nation that may have something of value that the white man doesn't - strangely, he calls it capitalism or free enterprise - while most others see it as greed and selfishness. Jump ahead to current times, and sadly, the cycle continues. However, due to the fact that many of the white race see the error of their ancestors and know in their hearts that "one race controlling all others" is not what was meant to be - the race is now divided. There are those who fight, scream and shout for the freedom, prosperity, and goodness available to those who choose to value diversity while striving for a "better world" together - and there are those who fight, scream and shout to cling to the 'old ways' -when the white man ruled all he surveyed without challenge or question - currently under the guise of "Making America Great Again" - the question remains; for whom? Tap - this of course is a very condensed explanation that skips over quite a bit. However, it is a reference place to start. I do not support our current administration, but will gladly engage in rational discourse -without the scuttlebutt - if that is what you seek.
Shipmate: First, thank you for your service! No, i... (show quote)


jedi; Is that what is taught in our schools now? The Leftist spin?
You are right about what governments did and do to people, including Indians. You conveniently associate "colonists" (many of which fled European governments)with the government. You conveniently leave out the English" Government/King being behind those atrocities.
And as always; you avoid the hypocrisy of the Democrats.

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Feb 7, 2018 10:40:55   #
okie don
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I know you know. Or should but this is well done and fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P318bELif8


EXCELLENT video Ron,
I know this stuff but how many Million of Americans are still in the dark like a mushroom?

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Feb 7, 2018 10:52:50   #
JediKnight
 
eagleye13 wrote:
jedi; Is that what is taught in our schools now? The Leftist spin?
You are right about what governments did and do to people, including Indians. You conveniently associate "colonists" (many of which fled European governments)with the government. You conveniently leave out the English" Government/King being behind those atrocities.
And as always; you avoid the hypocrisy of the Democrats.


I am not certain to what exactly is taught in our schools now. When I taught school, we told our students the "whole story." I mentioned in my post that the answer to what was asked is somewhat long and complicated - I also stated that "much is left out" of what I posted in return. This is not the republican memo we're discussing here......or is it? BTW - I never said "republicans or democrats" in my post -you brought that in. So, do you want rational and relevant discourse, or just an opportunity to spin a particular narrative?

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