How Can Anyone Defend the "Shit Hole" Comments?
Jan 12, 2018 13:49:37 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
teabag09 wrote:
Haiti shares the island with The Dominican Republic. Haiti is a complete shit hole while The Dominican Republic flourishes. Explain that to me. Mike
Not even the most knee-jerk liberal can deny that this has to be a laboratory for comparison. Those two countries have obviously identical natural resources yet one prospers and the other is a basket case, the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. The determining factor is the politico-economic system imposed.
Jan 12, 2018 14:17:16 #
Craig AZ
Loc: Superior, AZ
teabag09 wrote:
If you haven't been to any of those Countries you wouldn't realize that he is exactly right. Probably could have worded it better but they are "Shit Holes". Mike
He put it that way to try and waken some people up, because it is an exclamation of some of the places of the not only the area, but the conditions and atmosphere. If you have ever been to a outhouse then imagine living in one and you'd know why he stated it this way.
Yes he could have worded it differently, but that wouldn't have shocked people and that is exactly what he wanted to do for sometime it takes a shock to wake some people up. It only hurt the snowflake, high society's elite and the people that think that they are better then everyone else, but when it all boils down he told you the unvarnished truth.
Jan 12, 2018 14:55:56 #
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
Craig AZ wrote:
He put it that way to try and waken some people up... (show quote)
Craig, someone had to tell this one like it is and I am very glad to see someone beat me to it. I believe that Trump was just doing this like he would with a group of businessmen. Is there a chance that left leaning political correctness is involved here? I sure think so.
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Jan 12, 2018 15:08:21 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
Tgards79 wrote:
Try it.
I just thought of something...He didnt say that people are shitholes he said that the countries that they came from are shitholes.....Which is true, thats why they came here in the first place!!
Jan 12, 2018 15:12:12 #
JFlorio wrote:
Doubt it. Also, I believe he didn't expect this to be leaked, but then again I hope he's not that naive.
No other President has had one hundred percent coverage of every word, burp and fart. I would imagine if the coverage were turned on his accusers, much worse would be recorded.
Jan 12, 2018 15:12:26 #
Craig AZ
Loc: Superior, AZ
oldroy wrote:
Craig, someone had to tell this one like it is and I am very glad to see someone beat me to it. I believe that Trump was just doing this like he would with a group of businessmen. Is there a chance that left leaning political correctness is involved here? I sure think so.
I'd say yes it must have been one of those from, their safe place that were hurt by the statement.
Jan 12, 2018 15:12:28 #
Sassy Lass wrote:
Fortunately, a number of politicians are leaving voluntarily. That is good.
We also need to remember that the Democrat endgame is new voters. Put the poor immigrants on the dole, and they will vote Democrat forever. State by state, the Democrats are winning. Once they take Florida or Texas, it is all over but the crying.
We also need to remember that the Democrat endgame is new voters. Put the poor immigrants on the dole, and they will vote Democrat forever. State by state, the Democrats are winning. Once they take Florida or Texas, it is all over but the crying.
They have figured out they can’t do as they were doing or afraid of being busted!!
The illegals is their new blood.. That’s why they are doing everything they can to stop Trump on illegals even though the Supreme Court has ruled three times now in favor of Trump..
I think the new voters now going forward are registering republican or independent??
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Jan 12, 2018 15:13:29 #
JFlorio wrote:
Should Trump have worded it like that? I believe not. He is correct however. Especially Haiti. I know I'll be disagreed with by my conservative friends but I just think a President shouldn't speak that way. Especially in this day and age. If LBJ would have had the leaks and social media we have today blacks would vote straight Republican. He was one of the most racist Presidents we ever had.
LBJ was a typical southern conservative that was elected from the state of Texas to go to Washington to oppose civil rights buy by 1957 realized Civil Rights was enevitable
Jan 12, 2018 15:14:13 #
JFlorio wrote:
I've met some exceptions. But that isn't the point.You are one hundred percent correct. The Dominicans are hard working independent peoples. The Haitians through corruption, no personal responsibility, and living off of the largess of the rest of the world are made up of a high percentage of non-motivated, unskilled, uneducated people.
The points:
1. Haiti is a shithole.
2. Trump shouldn't have said it.
Jan 12, 2018 15:14:44 #
Tgards79 wrote:
OK, good, thanks. But you realize he has to hear from his supporters that this is unacceptable. Apparently the White House believes this plays well with his "base." When Democrats like me rant about Trump, he laughs. When conservatives like you begin to complain, he might clean up his act.
One can only fake it for so long before the real person comes out
Jan 12, 2018 15:17:27 #
proud republican
Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
Super Dave wrote:
I've met some exceptions. But that isn't the point.
The points:
1. Haiti is a shithole.
2. Trump shouldn't have said it.
The points:
1. Haiti is a shithole.
2. Trump shouldn't have said it.
Agree and Agree!!! But his main point was right on!!1It is a shithole and that is why they want to stay here
Jan 12, 2018 15:21:19 #
drlarrygino wrote:
Tgards you still see everything through racist eyes. I dislike leftists because they are destroying our country. If you are black and a leftist I don't care for you. If you are white and a leftist, I don't care for you. Do you get the idea? So basically, I do not support any peoples coming to our great country who will in all probability vote leftist and continue to exacerbate the downfall of our country. That is what I want banned!!!
The right has been destroying the country since the 1970's. The Business class determined to take over the country the plan (Manifesto ) was laid out by Lewis Powell in a memo to the US Chamber of Commerce in 1971 with a plan for right wing think tanks (Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, ect ) citing exactly what was need to achieve the objective and the nation has ben moving right ever since in the mean time the New Deal coalition collapsed and even the Democratic party has moved right with 40 years of trickle down economics
Jan 12, 2018 15:22:22 #
proud republican wrote:
Yep.Agree and Agree!!! But his main point was right on!!1It is a shithole and that is why they want to stay here
Jan 12, 2018 15:23:30 #
Nickolai wrote:
Did the rich/poor gap expand greatly under Obama?The right has been destroying the country since th... (show quote)
Yes it did.
Jan 12, 2018 15:28:54 #
Nickolai wrote:
NYT: The Reagan Boom - Greatest EverThe right has been destroying the country since th... (show quote)
PALO ALTO, Calif.— Almost everyone knows that the greatest depression the U.S. ever had was in the 1930's. It was known as the Great Depression, and its infamy merits a separate section in economics textbooks. But what was its counterpart? When did our greatest economic expansion occur?
We just had it. And it is still expanding, setting new records with each passing month.
We don't know whether historians will call it the Great Expansion of the 1980's or Reagan's Great Expansion, but we do know from official economic statistics that the seven year period from 1982 to 1989 was the greatest, consistent burst of economic activity ever seen in the U.S. In fact, it was the greatest economic expansion the world has ever seen - in any country, at any time.
The two key measures that mark a depression or expansion are jobs and production. Let's look at the records that were set. Creation of jobs. From November 1982, when President Ronald Reagan's new economic program was beginning to take effect, to November 1989, 18.7 million new jobs were created. It was a world record: Never before had so many jobs been created during a comparable time period. The new jobs covered the entire spectrum of work, and more than half of them paid more than $20,000 a year. As total employment grew to 119.5 million, the rate of unemployment fell to slightly over 5 percent, the lowest level in 15 years. Creation of wealth.
The amount of wealth produced during this seven year period was stupendous - some $30 trillion worth of goods and services. Again, it was a world record. Never before had so much wealth been produced during a comparable period. According to a recent study, net asset values - including stocks, bonds and real estate - went up by more than $5 trillion between 1982 and 1989, an increase of roughly 50 percent.
There are other important measures. Steady economic growth. As we begin the decade of the 1990's, we are in our 86th straight month of economic growth - a new record for peacetime, five months longer than the wartime growth of World War II and only 23 months short of the wartime record set during the Vietnam War in the 1960's. Most experts now predict that it will last right through 1990, and perhaps beyond.
Income tax rates, interest rates and inflation.
Under President Reagan, top personal income tax rates were lowered dramatically, from 70 percent to 28 percent. This policy change was the prime force behind the record breaking economic expansion. Interest rates and inflation also fell sharply and, so far, have stayed comfortably low - a further indication of the power and pervasiveness of Mr. Reagan's economic policies. The stock market. Perhaps the key indicator of an economy's booms and busts is the stock market, the bottom line economic report card. And here the record has been striking. During the period from 1970 to 1982, the stock market barely moved. The Standard & Poor's index of 500 stocks inched up about 35 percent during that entire period. But starting in late 1982, just as Reaganomics began to work, the stock market took off like a giant skyrocket. Since then, the Standard & Poor's index has soared, reaching a record high of 360, almost triple what it was in 1982.
There were other consequences of the expansion. Annual Federal spending on public housing and welfare, and on Social Security, Medicare and health all increased by billions of dollars. The poverty rate has fallen steadily since 1983.
When you add up the record of the Reagan years, and the first year of President Bush - during which he has faithfully continued Mr. Reagan's economic policies - the conclusion is clear, inescapable and stunning. We have just witnessed America's Great Expansion.
The Reagan economic expansion was not perfect and we will never have one that is. The Federal budget deficits were too high and still are, too many Federal regulations lay unreformed and the trade deficit is worrisome.
In fact, the Reagan expansion may not have been the best economic expansion in history, for every economic expansion must be judged by many criteria. But if we look at the sheer size and immensity of it, at its scope and power, then it cannot be denied that it was the greatest.
The full impact of the powerful economic recovery that President Reagan launched during the 1980s is still unfolding.
Mr. Reagan's expansion provided the financial resources to allow the U.S. to build up the combat capability of its defense forces and to begin blazing the new trail for a protective missile system. This, in turn, convinced the Soviet rulers they could never defeat the U.S., and today the Soviet Union and the U.S. are busily engaged in nuclear disarmament as peace breaks out in country after country throughout the world.
Equally important, it proved beyond doubt to all (except perhaps for a handful of left-wing faculty members in our best universities) that capitalism is superior to Socialism and Communism. Our economy is the guiding beacon for all those countries that are ripping apart the ruthless collectivist regimes that ruined the lives of their people for so long.
One thing the Marxists got right: Economics is a powerful determining factor of history. But Marxists never dreamed it would be the economics of Ronald Reagan and all those capitalists that would prevail in the end.
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