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Nov 9, 2017 20:42:38   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Not if it also caused the murder of thousands of more, and allows the armed criminals to run rampant over all the forced unarmed law abiding citizens. The problem is that you don't think any of your supposed good ideas have consequences, just as Obama and the Democrats told us about their great "Affordable Care Act", proof of not a fully thought out idea, nor the acceptance of the consequences of it's not fully thought out failure.



rumitoid wrote:
If, say, there was a law that successfully saved the life of one person every year, would it be worth the legislative effort to enact it?

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Nov 9, 2017 21:01:19   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Nor is the blueprint the foundation of the finished building, what an assinine comparison. That fetus, as you like to call it, at less than 20 weeks has a heart beat, can feel pain, can hear and recognize sounds, has high brain function, has been proven to sleep and dream, and can cause itself to move around in it's mothers womb, has it's extremities move by it's own desire and actions, and most important, was given a soul by GOD at conception, which might be the cause of it's ability to dream. And idiots like you lie to the mothers about all this, just to talk them into killing there own child with the consent for an abortion, that you convinced her that her child would not be good for her life style, which children always change for their parents, and for the better, and which the mother will have to live the rest of her life with the knowledge that she killed her own baby. Pathetic and disgusting, quit sowing your evil in the minds of others, for they will pay the same price as you are destined to do, if they take your advice and fulfill your deadly and evil prescribed actions.



rumitoid wrote:
A fetus by definition is, well, a fetus. In all likelihood in this day and age, the fetus will come to term and a child is born. A blueprint is not a building. Saying that the blueprint will eventually become a building still does not make it a building.

Any sane and decent person is against abortion. Who could actually be pro-abortion? If there were laws that, with DNA testing, would force the father to at least financially support the mother and child, maybe we would have less. As Gloria Steinem said, "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." Don't tell me that if you got pregnant you would let the government tell you that you had to come to term and care for that child. Alone, usually. Ending your career or plans for the future. Facing poverty. Facing shame and degradation by friends, family and society in general. The Right To Life is for all life, such as war and capital punishment and welfare for the poor.
A fetus by definition is, well, a fetus. In all li... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2017 21:10:18   #
teabag09
 
Amen. Mike
permafrost wrote:
I have always liked that phrase.. Yamamoto probably did not say it, but I like to think he did..


"Behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle." Admiral Yamamoto may not have actually said it, but many a coyote will attest to its accuracy. #upfront.

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Nov 9, 2017 21:20:31   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
If, say, there was a law that successfully saved the life of one person every year, would it be worth the legislative effort to enact it?


See Rummy? This is why I say Dem solutions never address symptoms.

That guy in Texas, along with God knows how many more slipped through existing law. Enacted law! And there are plenty more laws too.

Enacting law is a cheap and pointless feel-good endeavor if we don't enforce them NOR do they explain why people are freaking out or what to do about it!

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Nov 9, 2017 21:37:04   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
rumitoid wrote:
Egads you are dense. He did not shot the SOB, dimwit; the gunman at Sutherlands Spring committed suicide. Stop listening to Alt-Right blogs and Fox News. Did those two guys save lives? Possibly. But that is not the point. A gun law was not enforced. In the states where they are, fewer are hurt by gun violence: that is the point! Those against gun control are complicit in all these murders.


The good guy with a gun shot him before he committed suicide. Illinois has one of the toughest gun control laws, but yet the highest murder rate in the whole US. Proud is absolutely right..Yes it is a point that these 2 men DID save lives, and if one wouldn't of been armed many more people would've died.

Someone screwed up very, very bad. This nut case should have NEVER been able to get a gun..someone needs.to be held accountable..

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Nov 9, 2017 21:37:39   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Randy131 wrote:
Yeah, we know, and another 90% is the criminals who are accountable for gun violence that we have laws banning them from possessing and owning guns, and why is that? Do we law abiding citizens have the right to own and possess guns to protect ourselves from those who you liberals can't enforce our laws to protect us law abiding citizens from, but want to ban us law abiding citiens from owning and possessing guns to protect ourselves when you can't? The best thing to happen to you, in order to keep the rest of us safe, is to experience the gun violence going on in Chicago or Washington DC, where the criminals that carry guns own the streets, and have made crime a very profitable business, as the cops don't have enough guns and people to stop them, or even slow them down. Then I suspect that you would want as many law abiding citizens to own and possess guns, in order to help the police in taking back our streets, and protect scumbags like you when those crimnals come for you, or accidently run into you.
Yeah, we know, and another 90% is the criminals wh... (show quote)


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rumitoid wrote:
Mental Health problems account for about 4% of gun violence. Google it. And other than that I agree.


Um...didn't I hear that 20+% of gun deaths were suicides?

Are "mental health problems" included or on top of that number?

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Nov 9, 2017 21:56:05   #
Nickolai
 
Mr Shako wrote:
Completely disjointed post. Re-write using proper punctuation..and more important, understandable logic.




I had to laugh, the guy was a conservative and the DVD on top of the stack he was holding was a John Wayne movie the right wing hero who could do no wrong. Could whoop all the Injuns singlehanded, then go to the Pacific and whoop all the japs. An authoritarian strong man that conquered all evil and walked off into the sunset. I had to laugh because its common knowledge that Wayne is-was a right wing hero,

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Nov 9, 2017 22:02:54   #
Nickolai
 
Randy131 wrote:
And the Democrats keep them down on the "handout plantation", keeping them poor and voting for Democrats forever.









And the Republicans don't keep em poor and on the plantation. African Americans arnt stupid they know the bigots, racists, and segregationist all jumped to the Republican party in the 1970's Why do you think they vote against Republicans

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Nov 9, 2017 22:04:09   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Sorry Mike, I've never read much about suicides, but the statistics I read, much from the FBI, have gun murders seperated from suicides, and stand on their own. I don't know of real and true gun statistics that combine murder with suicide, they have seperate motives and victims, one victim being innocent, and the other victim guilty, gun murder victims are usually innocent of the caused action and result, where sucide victims are just the opposite. Have you seen statistics that combine the two? The only one statistic that I know that does is total deaths, which include auto accidents, cancer, and every kind of death you can think of.



BigMike wrote:
Um...didn't I hear that 20+% of gun deaths were suicides?

Are "mental health problems" included or on top of that number?

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Nov 9, 2017 22:04:16   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Nickolai wrote:
I had to laugh, the guy was a conservative and the DVD on top of the stack he was holding was a John Wayne movie the right wing hero who could do no wrong. Could whoop all the Injuns singlehanded, then go to the Pacific and whoop all the japs. An authoritarian strong man that conquered all evil and walked off into the sunset. I had to laugh because its common knowledge that Wayne is-was a right wing hero,


First of all where did you get this? quote=Nickolai]I had to laugh, the guy was a conservative and the DVD on top of the stack he was holding was a John Wayne movie the right wing hero who could do no wrong.

You got that right Nikki. The Duke was a hero!

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Nov 9, 2017 22:09:45   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Nickolai wrote:
And the Republicans don't keep em poor and on the plantation. African Americans arnt stupid they know the bigots, racists, and segregationist all jumped to the Republican party in the 1970's Why do you think they vote against Republicans


Wow, Nic. You have really lasered your perspective to a tiny little pinprick. And you seem to have control issues. Hope you get help.

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Nov 9, 2017 22:11:33   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Nickolai wrote:
I had to laugh, the guy was a conservative and the DVD on top of the stack he was holding was a John Wayne movie the right wing hero who could do no wrong. Could whoop all the Injuns singlehanded, then go to the Pacific and whoop all the japs. An authoritarian strong man that conquered all evil and walked off into the sunset. I had to laugh because its common knowledge that Wayne is-was a right wing hero,


He was a very nice guy is what I've heard.

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Nov 9, 2017 22:15:12   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Randy131 wrote:
Sorry Mike, I've never read much about suicides, but the statistics I read, much from the FBI, have gun murders seperated from suicides, and stand on their own. I don't know of real and true gun statistics that combine murder with suicide, they have seperate motives and victims, one victim being innocent, and the other victim guilty, gun murder victims are usually innocent of the caused action and result, where sucide victims are just the opposite. Have you seen statistics that combine the two? The only one statistic that I know that does is total deaths, which include auto accidents, cancer, and every kind of death you can think of.
Sorry Mike, I've never read much about suicides, b... (show quote)


It was on the news a few weeks ago. I'm iffy on the number of suicides because I heard in in passing...on the car radio or something. But the number was significant and there isn't as much statistical info on gun deaths as you might think, much of it is scattered far and wide and some is...suspect.

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Nov 9, 2017 22:29:22   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Good question, and I've got the correct answer, "Because they are completely ignorant of their own history." "African Americans aren't stupid," but out of Whites Orientals, Latinos, Native Americans, and Middle Easterners, they have the lowest averaged IQ of them all. "And the Republicans don't keep them poor and on the plantation," I know that, the Democrats do, in order to assure their votes for Democrats. 'Welfare, Food Stamps, & Government Handouts' are similar to narcotics, when Democrats get the black people hooked on them, it's very hard to get the black people off of them. and to keep getting those governmental narcotics, they have to be poor, and they know it, and that causes generaration after generation to stay poor and on those governmental narcotics. As long as they stay on those governmental narcotics, life will never get any better for them, or their children, who get hooked on the same by their parents example, and most all the black progeny will always stay on that "handout plantation", and are trained to vote for the Democrats, who help keep those plantation chains tightly bound. There is no pride in this, just simple statistical facts. But thank GOD it doesn't include all black people, for there are those who escaped from the Democrats' "handout plantation", became very successful, and joined the Republican Party. And now they're demonized by Democrats and those still chained to the Democrats' "handout plantation".




Nickolai wrote:
And the Republicans don't keep em poor and on the plantation. African Americans arnt stupid they know the bigots, racists, and segregationist all jumped to the Republican party in the 1970's Why do you think they vote against Republicans

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Nov 9, 2017 22:32:01   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Yep, all that is true.



BigMike wrote:
It was on the news a few weeks ago. I'm iffy on the number of suicides because I heard in in passing...on the car radio or something. But the number was significant and there isn't as much statistical info on gun deaths as you might think, much of it is scattered far and wide and some is...suspect.

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