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Nov 9, 2017 19:29:33   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Again, this is why you can't be trusted with power. You will kill more people and ruin more lives in the quest for Utopia than all the crazies roaming the streets combined.


We will never achieve Utopia. To think not to try is somehow sane and responsible is bizarre. We must do what we can to protect our citizenry. Shrugging one's shoulders and saying we will never be perfect is equally bizarre.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:31:40   #
rumitoid
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Could care less!


Ignorance is bliss.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:38:51   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Why, Rummy, why are gun deaths so high in a few cities? It really makes the rest of us look bad. This is pretty critical if you really want to fix the problem.


Yes, I agree. There is a definite need for higher gun deaths in more cities. So I suggest "thoughts and prayers" as the solution. Sit on our hands and let divine providence take its toll.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:45:57   #
teabag09
 
the American people will know that a tool to reduce these massacres is sitting in the Senate, ready for debate and a vote."
Senator, why doesn't the Senate bring up and debate and vote on the over 300 bills the House has sent to you?

This is the same bill that was passed in 1994 and banned things like flash hiders, bayonet lugs, hand grips, green tip bullets, etc. It also made it illegal to sell or but an AR-15. The ban expired in 2004. In that 10 year period there was an osculation in gun use not a decrease.

As the owner of several AR-15s I can tell you that they are indeed an awful weapon in the hands of a mad person intent on wreaking havoc by killing fellow humans but the answer isn't a ban on the weapon but making sure that data is accurately logged to keep these weapons out of the hands of mad/bad people. As was said before, this is truly a political ploy, she doesn't give a rat's patootie about those people who have been killed. As with PIAPS, Nancy, Pocahontas, etc., ice water flows thru their veins. Their only concern is money and power for themselves.

There are hundreds of thousands of AR-15s, billions of .223 rounds in the hands of the general public right now and there is no way they will be confiscate in the future with out the loss of huge amounts of blood being shed. The hated NRA wants to see the sane ownership of weapons no matter what they are. The NRA backs back ground checks but until there is Govt. co-operation with reporting wrong doers these things are bound to happen. Mike





Blade_Runner wrote:
Sen. Feinstein's New Assault Weapons Ban Proposal Is the Perfect, Pointless Response for the 'Do Something' Crowd

We have to do something about mass shootings. This is something. Therefore, we must do this. Or something.

Eric Boehm|Nov. 8, 2017 2:35 pm

After another tragic mass shooting—one that likely could have been prevented if existing laws had been enforced—there has been another round of completely predictable calls to "do something" about America's apparent problem with gun violence.

For those who want to see something done, Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) has done something. Along with more than 20 fellow Senate Democrats, Feinstein announced on Wednesday the re-introduction of a bill to ban so-called "assault weapons" and those bump stocks that took so much of the blame for last month's massacre in Las Vegas.

Specifically, Feinstein's legislation would ban the sale and manufacture of 205 different weapons (a full list can be found in the bill). One is the AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle used in several mass shootings, including the attack on the Texas church last weekend—and also used by Stephen Willeford, the former NRA instructor who engaged the church shooter and may have prevented further deaths. Feinstein's bill also targets specific gun accessories, including the bump stocks used by the Las Vegas concert shooter. Bump stocks allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at higher rates but with less accuracy.

The bill exempts weapons used for hunting, and it would allow anyone who already owns one of the proscribed guns to keep them. In other words, it would be completely ineffective at removing these weapons from American society. But that's not really the goal at all. The goal is to do something about gun violence, and Feinstein's proposal certainly counts as something. Something ineffective and useless, but still a thing. A thing that could be done.

Feinstein admits as much.

"We're introducing an updated Assault Weapons Ban for one reason," she said in a statement announcing the bill: "so that after every mass shooting with a MILITARY-STYLE ASSAULT WEAPON, the American people will know that a tool to reduce these massacres is sitting in the Senate, ready for debate and a vote."

It's interesting that Feinstein sees that as the "one reason" why this bill has been introduced. Not because it will stop mass shootings, or because it will make it harder for bad people to get guns, or even because it's a small step toward a less violent society.

Nope. This bill has been introduced for "one reason": so Democrats can score political points by holding it up and waving it every time there's a high-profile crime with a gun. Look! There's a bill right here, ready for debate and a vote! Will the bill do anything to stop these horrific attacks from happening? Well, no, but that's not the point.

At least she's being honest about it. Feinstein has never been particularly good at masking the fact that her assault ban proposals are based more in emotion than reason; this is another entry in that long ledger.

The simple fact of the matter is that no amount of new laws will stop mass shootings. And when we can't even accurately enforce the gun laws already on the books—the Texas church shooter would not have been able to buy his AR-15 if Air Force bureaucrats had properly reported his domestic abuse problems, as they were supposed to do—it's even harder to see Feinstein's proposal as anything other than what it is: a nakedly political maneuver meant to score points with the vapid "do something" crowd.
b Sen. Feinstein's New Assault Weapons Ban Propos... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2017 19:49:06   #
JW
 
rumitoid wrote:
So are you saying do nothing about gun violence is right because abortion is legal?

Are you saying doing it without a "medical bill"is tolerable?

Are you saying doing "it quickly with a bullet" is better?

Can you see how absurd you are?


I'm not saying any of those things. I said what I said and most people could understand that. It's like I said to you earlier, the Liberal mind isn't capable of decoding those concepts from language. There are no words simple enough to explain it to you.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:49:13   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
And the Democrats keep them down on the "handout plantation", keeping them poor and voting for Democrats forever.



BigMike wrote:
Addressing the symptom is much easier than addressing the problem and for those who favor a central authority this makes sense.

Never addressing the problem and only the symptom ensures perpetual relevancy for the bureaucracy.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:50:51   #
rumitoid
 
Loki wrote:
That would translate to 3.1:100,000. Every country in South America with the exception has a higher rate than that, and they all have strict gun control. Every country in Central America is higher than that. Every country in the Caribbean has a higher rate. Mexico, with one third of our population has five times our murder rate.
Wanna know a secret? The population of the countries you mentioned have one thing in common; they are over 98% white European. The murder rate for this demographic in this country is almost the same as the murder rate for this demographic in Europe. Imagine that. Ditto for Canada.
Matter of fact, the murder rate for whites of European descent in this country is less than 2:100,000. Gun laws or not. Period.
That would translate to 3.1:100,000. Every country... (show quote)


Very interesting, good fact check. Thank you. So I am to deduce, or plainly see, that it is a brown or black thing, yes? And the Nazis and Soviets during WWII was...? How about WWI? All good and moral white Europeans? How about colonization by white Europeans? Benevolent despots? Am I being unfair at mentioning those points? Is war not to be taken as gun violence? Do the millions upon millions killed by Whites during world conflicts not count? Probably not. You're right, it is brown and black thing.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:54:30   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Very good post Bob, well said and well researched, keep up the good work, there's a new Sheriff in town, congratulations.



badbob85037 wrote:
These numbers are dead wrong the gun deaths in Detroit alone is 55 per 100,000 and I know what I'm talking about because I have seen these bull shit lies before because like all these gun grabbing groups it's ok to lie to further their own agenda of scaring people out of money. Donate, donate often, donate a lot.

I'll tell you what's better than subtracting points for states with no gun laws lets try using something these idiots never use, the number of gun deaths and let's use a starting point that isn't a false flag . There is Detroit, Saint Louis, Baltimore, Chicago, DC, Oakland, Fresno. These cities have between 35 and 55 per 100,000 gun murders a year and the way it looks this year will set records in these cities, Even with these high numbers America has 4.5 per 100,000 murder rate

Now due to the fact none of these gang bangers that's life is going nowhere had a daddy around or the NRA to teach them how to shoot they hit everyone around but the one they are shooting at. The way they have learned off the streets to shoot a hand gun has made it impossible to teach them the right way. So just like the ROTC we give them rifles at least a 30/06 or 7MM mag. Teach them all to aim and shoot like their daddy would do if they had one. We then have a 'pay for view' battle royal at some laser tag arena. The last man standing will be given some of the profit to go to school with me taking the rest for my good idea. But the last thing you or anybody want to do is trust an anti gun organization putting out stats. Case in point, when the Brady Center claimed "child gun deaths were sky rocketing" They just took the age one becomes an adult 18 and made it 26 to include most all drug and gang related killings.

These cities have more in common than murder. They have high poverty, useless education, massive gun laws and all long histories of being ran by democrats. Do you think they will ever realize the reason they are stuck in these drug and crime infested rat holes? I ain't holding my breath. But don't quote me with these so called facts because it's all bull shit. Arizona number 3 WHAT A CROCK If any believe a word these limp wrest idiots claim as states I have some beach front property for sale right outside Phoenix
These numbers are dead wrong the gun deaths in Det... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2017 19:56:42   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
I believe that, I've read some of Nickolai's comments.



Loki wrote:
But Nikolai has the mind of one.

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Nov 9, 2017 19:58:55   #
teabag09
 
You can bump stock using your belt loop. Not at all accurate but pretty fun if you don't mind burning thru ammo without hitting anything. Mike
BigMike wrote:
Whether the law sunsetted or not, those things you just listed are everywhere and people made bump stocks (which you don't really need with the right touch) long before some company made them commercially available.

In this case the Air Force dropped the ball. The question is: How many other balls have been dropped by them and the rest of the military?

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Nov 9, 2017 20:06:16   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Not until you can see how absurb it is to kill our unborn children, which GOD gives a soul upon conception, and most are torn apart in abortions when they can feel the pain at 20 weeks and longer, but maybe even earlier, which is true morbid torture. But what the hell do you care, you want to take away people's defense against the criminals, who own most of the guns in the USA today, even though we have federal laws and state laws all across the USA that bans them from that privileged right, that you want to take away from the law abiding citizens who protect others, as the "good guy with a gun" did in the recent Texas mass murders in the church.



rumitoid wrote:
So are you saying do nothing about gun violence is right because abortion is legal?

Are you saying doing it without a "medical bill"is tolerable?

Are you saying doing "it quickly with a bullet" is better?

Can you see how absurd you are?

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Nov 9, 2017 20:09:47   #
teabag09
 
We defend it because history has shown that once disarmed Idiots of your persuasion have a tendency to enslave us and kill us. Why the hell do you think the US has never, since the British tried it, been attacked? Because like ADM. Yamamoto said, "Behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle". And it's going to stay that way so why don't you guys just go to something more interesting to you, like maybe a glory hole or a sex change operation? Mike
rumitoid wrote:
Why do you guys defend with such fury a ban on gun laws? And your analogy is utterly absurd. Doing 120 is reckless endangerment to yourself and others. Breaking the law is wrong. Duh!

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Nov 9, 2017 20:23:17   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
If we could only get rid of all the liberals in the USA, we could get rid of about 90% of those gun killings. Did you know that it is against the law for criminals to possess and own guns in the USA? Did you know that 90% of all gun murders in the USA are done by criminals with previous criminal records? Did you know that 97% of all criminals are liberals, and push for more gun banning laws, to eliminate any law abiding citizen, from being able to be armed with a gun, that they choose to make their victim, who might kill them in self defense with the gun that our 2nd Amendment gives those law abiding citizens the right to own and possess, in order to protect themselves, their loved ones, and others, from criminals making victims out of them? Similar to what the "good guy with a gun" did in the Texas mass shootings at the church in order to stop any more murders, by shooting the mass murderer with the gun his 2nd Amendment right gave him to own and possess in the defense of those people who the mass murderer was trying to kill.



rumitoid wrote:
According to The New York Times, it's reported that the number of Americans killed on battlefields in all wars in history is a saddening 1,396,733 but, the number of Americans killed by firearms from 1968 to 2015 is even higher at 1,516,863.

Around the world, those countries have substantially lower rates of deaths from gun homicide. In Germany, being murdered with a gun is as uncommon as being killed by a falling object in the United States. About two people out of every million are killed in a gun homicide. Gun homicides are just as rare in several other European countries, including the Netherlands and Austria. In the United States, two per million is roughly the death rate for hypothermia or plane crashes.

In Poland and England, only about one out of every million people die in gun homicides each year — about as often as an American dies in an agricultural accident or falling from a ladder. In Japan, where gun homicides are even rarer, the likelihood of dying this way is about the same as an American’s chance of being killed by lightning — roughly one in 10 million.

In the United States, the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year. The homicides include losses from mass shootings, like Sunday’s Las Vegas attack, the Orlando, Fla., nightclub shooting in June 2016, or the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting in December 2015. And of course, they also include the country’s vastly more common single-victim killings.

To give you a sense of how unusual America’s gun violence problem is, consider the daily death toll compared with other Western democracies. The chart below imagines that the populations of those countries were the same as the population of the United States.

Let me repeat this: "gun homicides is about 31 per million people — the equivalent of 27 people shot dead every day of the year." For the following countries gun homicides are at or below 5 people shot every day:

Norway
Ireland
Austria
Germany
Australia
Canada
Iceland
Finland
Spain
Slovenia
Portugal
Lithuania
According to The New York Times, it's reported tha... (show quote)

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Nov 9, 2017 20:23:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
teabag09 wrote:
We defend it because history has shown that once disarmed Idiots of your persuasion have a tendency to enslave us and kill us. Why the hell do you think the US has never, since the British tried it, been attacked? Because like ADM. Yamamoto said, "Behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle". And it's going to stay that way so why don't you guys just go to something more interesting to you, like maybe a glory hole or a sex change operation? Mike



I have always liked that phrase.. Yamamoto probably did not say it, but I like to think he did..


"Behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle." Admiral Yamamoto may not have actually said it, but many a coyote will attest to its accuracy. #upfront.

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Nov 9, 2017 20:38:29   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Yeah, we know, and another 90% is the criminals who are accountable for gun violence that we have laws banning them from possessing and owning guns, and why is that? Do we law abiding citizens have the right to own and possess guns to protect ourselves from those who you liberals can't enforce our laws to protect us law abiding citizens from, but want to ban us law abiding citiens from owning and possessing guns to protect ourselves when you can't? The best thing to happen to you, in order to keep the rest of us safe, is to experience the gun violence going on in Chicago or Washington DC, where the criminals that carry guns own the streets, and have made crime a very profitable business, as the cops don't have enough guns and people to stop them, or even slow them down. Then I suspect that you would want as many law abiding citizens to own and possess guns, in order to help the police in taking back our streets, and protect scumbags like you when those crimnals come for you, or accidently run into you.



rumitoid wrote:
Mental Health problems account for about 4% of gun violence. Google it. And other than that I agree.

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