huh? glaucon wrote, "If we run out of fossil fuel, we will be in trouble. If we run out of drinking water and air, we are totally screwed. Can you spell extinct?" and fom stated that he had valid points and and, I paraphrase, "all the right has to say about that is we need to run out of liberals as a solution." I gave that a thumbs up to that.

So as far as your comments: I agree that the system is broken. BOTH SIDES HAVE LIED AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO unless something changes. Seems to me that the majority of rightwingers on here place all the blame of "deviancy" (whatever you mean by that) on the left and will take no responsibility for the "deviancy" on the right. There are just as many dishonest immoral politicians on the right as on the left. All persons in government need to be held accountable. I do not trust any of the corporate media to give me the truth, especially FOX. I do not trust corporations or big business to make decisions that effect the good of the country, any more than I trust the government of today. The blending of corporate power with government power is one definition of fascism. I believe we are there right now. My opinion is that there is a slightly better chance to hold them accountable from the left than from the right. Unfortunately, not all men are angles, nor is government made of angles. It is not a perfect system, but again I personally think there is a better chance of holding our government accountable from the left.

Sorry wrong again. The non-profits I refer to are not all financed by Soros. However I admit do read Media Matters. Yes the others you mentioned are less far right, although Comes is better since he is not Hanity's good little token liberal and actually gets to speak. Thom Hartmann? Probably my biggest media hero. Ed Schultz, not bad but not quite as much. Neither make any false claims of where they come from and neither do they pass opinions as being fact, or if they express an opinion it is obvious that is what it is. Never listened to Thom? Might try but be careful he might make sense, but to you I doubt it. Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman and sometimes the other Juan, Gonzalez that it. Totally viewer financed. Forget it you wouldn't like it if for no other reason it has the word "democracy" in it. Again they don't make any false claims about being fair and balanced, but more often than not if there is a debate opposing sides both can speak. In depth real news on real issues, that the viewer/listener is free to make up his/her own mind. FSTV? Totally viewer financed. But never mind, you wouldn't like it either. Do any of them criticize both wings? You bet you sweet bippy they do if it is warranted.

K the real crux to me is I think the Bush administration was more corrupt than the Obama administration, maybe by far. I don't think I heard a peep out of especially FOX on any of Bush and cronies immoralities. Maybe that the right wing loyal fox listeners don't see the corruption of the Bush administration is just the afore mentioned reason, never heard about it. nuff said

huh? glaucon wrote, "If we run out of fossil fuel, we will be in trouble. If we run out of drinking water and air, we are totally screwed. Can you spell extinct?" and fom stated that he had valid points and and, I paraphrase, "all the right has to say about that is we need to run out of liberals as a solution." I gave that a thumbs up to that.

So as far as your comments: I agree that the system is broken. BOTH SIDES HAVE LIED AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO unless something changes. Seems to me that the majority of rightwingers on here place all the blame of "deviancy" (whatever you mean by that) on the left and will take no responsibility for the "deviancy" on the right. There are just as many dishonest immoral politicians on the right as on the left. All persons in government need to be held accountable. I do not trust any of the corporate media to give me the truth, especially FOX. I do not trust corporations or big business to make decisions that effect the good of the country, any more than I trust the government of today. The blending of corporate power with government power is one definition of fascism. I believe we are there right now. My opinion is that there is a slightly better chance to hold them accountable from the left than from the right. Unfortunately, not all men are angles, nor is government made of angles. It is not a perfect system, but again I personally think there is a better chance of holding our government accountable from the left.

Btfkr & fom: Where is your logic? A lot of this all is about the moral relativism of the left, they need to constantly define deviancy down, if there is no more absolute right, or absolute wrong, well then anything is acceptable, like knowingly lying, abusing power and corruption, any and everything is just fine, because the ends justify the means, it's the hallmark of not only moral tyranny, but all tyranny. “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels
were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on
government would be necessary.” -James Madison