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Feb 4, 2014 13:40:07   #
notmyfthrscntry
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I was a loyal Republican my entire adult life...until John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. That was the beginning of their abandonment of their principles and the opening for infestation by the theocratic Tea Party. It's been all downhill for Republicans ever since. If they don't turn it around soon, the party will vanish, and that won't be good for the country.


That's interesting...what leads you to believe that everyone in the teaparty is theocratic? That is like saying everyone on an airplane is British because the plane is heading to Great Britain maybe we are different nationalities but just heading the same direction. I find these days so many are against something because it might require them to change. I hate to tell you this but the Republicans today aren't what they used to be and you are misreading the passion of the teaparty who have chosen to stand up to the fraud and abuse of the Republicans and Democrats. I am by no means religious, I tend to study the teachings of Jefferson.

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Feb 4, 2014 13:44:58   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Why don't you leftists keep your secular humanism out of politics and seeking more taxes will not help because the money will just be spent on your favorite social programs. Obama's approach is killing jobs. By the way I do not believe you voted for Bush and now support the man who blames everything on him. You are like Obama and think the government should decide how much one person should have. Marxism at its finest is what you want, and it will destroy America if allowed ro grow.


Of course you wouldn't. You are one of the Tea Party sheeple being led to slaughter by your wealthy masters. Good luck to you! That last step is sure to be a doozy!

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Feb 4, 2014 13:46:12   #
Liberty Tree
 
notmyfthrscntry wrote:
That's interesting...what leads you to believe that everyone in the teaparty is theocratic? That is like saying everyone on an airplane is British because the plane is heading to Great Britain maybe we are different nationalities but just heading the same direction. I find these days so many are against something because it might require them to change. I hate to tell you this but the Republicans today aren't what they used to be and you are misreading the passion of the teaparty who have chosen to stand up to the fraud and abuse of the Republicans and Democrats. I am by no means religious, I tend to study the teachings of Jefferson.
That's interesting...what leads you to believe tha... (show quote)


He hates the TEA Party for the same reason the RINO's do. They are the only group standing in the way of move toward more government control. He does not mind becoming a servant of the state and hates those who do.

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Feb 4, 2014 13:47:39   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I think you know a lot! But I don't think we have any alternative. The two-party system is the horse that got us here. Independents and third-party candidates can only influence elections by drawing voters away from one party or another. They have an effective presence in our system, but I doubt that they can ever grow in sufficient numbers to oust the Repubs or the Dems.

Actually, I thought they had the best chance with the 2008 election, but they blew it. I don't think they were prepared for the opportunity. I and many other Republicans got turned off by Sarah Palin's pick as VP, and all the Dems had was Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. I think the door was wide open back then for a third party to collect the large fringe of voters from both parties. They might get another opportunity in 2016 if they can get a respectable candidate in the race early enough.
I think you know a lot! But I don't think we have... (show quote)


You are quite right about "spoilers" unfortunately. I watched and wondered during the VA Commonwealth's elections back in November. I know some were hoping for the "spoilers" to take it the other way and were disappointed. Truth to tell, the microscopic numbers that some won by made me really ill at ease. In some instances, I almost didn't put anyone in. I was hard pressed on some selections. The one thing I didn't do was to vote for an Independent, because as you say, not enough to make a HUGE difference at this point in time. I realized that, for me, it might have been a result of "NOT the lesser of two evils." Time will only tell if my assessment was accurate on the "lesser" part. :roll:

Hey! I'm ready to embrace someone from neither party. I can't wait to see who shows up for the debate circuit/circus in 2016!! I was shocked by the Palin pick in what seems so long ago and far away. I think I tried to shut the visual of that one out. I "might" have voted for McCain if it hadn't been for Palin. All I could think of at the time was if something happened to McCain, what would things be like if Palin had to step in. For me, it wasn't among any of my choices. The past is past. I'm truly looking for a breath of fresh air, nothing toxic to inhale.

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Feb 4, 2014 13:47:55   #
Liberty Tree
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Of course you wouldn't. You are one of the Tea Party sheeple being led to slaughter by your wealthy masters. Good luck to you! That last step is sure to be a doozy!


You took your last step when you became addicted to Obama koolaid but are just to far gone to know it.

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Feb 4, 2014 13:52:18   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Searching wrote:
You are quite right about "spoilers" unfortunately. I watched and wondered during the VA Commonwealth's elections back in November. I know some were hoping for the "spoilers" to take it the other way and were disappointed. Truth to tell, the microscopic numbers that some won by made me really ill at ease. In some instances, I almost didn't put anyone in. I was hard pressed on some selections. The one thing I didn't do was to vote for an Independent, because as you say, not enough to make a HUGE difference at this point in time. I realized that, for me, it might have been a result of "NOT the lesser of two evils." Time will only tell if my assessment was accurate on the "lesser" part. :roll:

Hey! I'm ready to embrace someone from neither party. I can't wait to see who shows up for the debate circuit/circus in 2016!! I was shocked by the Palin pick in what seems so long ago and far away. I think I tried to shut the visual of that one out. I "might" have voted for McCain if it hadn't been for Palin. All I could think of at the time was if something happened to McCain, what would things be like if Palin had to step in. For me, it wasn't among any of my choices. The past is past. I'm truly looking for a breath of fresh air, nothing toxic to inhale.
You are quite right about "spoilers" unf... (show quote)


I think we are singing the same song, Searching. I could vote for an independent - Jon Huntsman might have gotten my vote if he had chosen to run as an independent in 2012. If he runs in 2016, I might.

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Feb 4, 2014 13:59:09   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
You took your last step when you became addicted to Obama koolaid but are just to far gone to know it.


The problem with you and other Tea Partiers is that you think that EVERYBODY who doesn't drink from the Tea Party chalice is as extreme in their political ideology as you are. You just make yourself look stupid when you try to portray me as some kind of extremist. I am only extreme about debunking all of the fabrications you guys have made up. Honesty in politics is a pipe dream, I know, but can't you at least try? Aren't there enough real differences between your and the Democrats ideologies to argue them honestly and respectfully? Do you really have to make up lies and be disrespectful all the time? Do you not understand that by acting that way, you are causing all level-headed people to avoid your extremism?

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Feb 4, 2014 13:59:48   #
notmyfthrscntry
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
He hates the TEA Party for the same reason the RINO's do. They are the only group standing in the way of move toward more government control. He does not mind becoming a servant of the state and hates those who do.


thank you my fellow Jeffersonian...

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Feb 4, 2014 14:06:59   #
boofhead
 
Searching wrote:
Denial of unemployment or welfare benefits...definitely enough to discourage those who are just hoping to be able to spend their lives in leisurely activity while the rest of us double time in our stepping to keep our noses above water.
Sounds like a plan to me.


I am a legal immigrant. I had to be financially independent in order to qualify for the "Green" card and could not apply for benefits of any kind. Even after I was able to become a citizen it was made plain to me that I should not get benefits unless I earned them. I am still not eligible for Social Security because I have not yet worked my 10 years.

You can imagine how I feel when I see illegals getting benefits of all kinds because they do not have to follow the laws, and have nothing to lose by cheating.

I will NEVER vote for any politician who supports amnesty. Period.

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Feb 4, 2014 14:09:14   #
Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I think we are singing the same song, Searching. I could vote for an independent - Jon Huntsman might have gotten my vote if he had chosen to run as an independent in 2012. If he runs in 2016, I might.


:thumbup:

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Feb 4, 2014 14:11:00   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
boofhead wrote:
I am a legal immigrant. I had to be financially independent in order to qualify for the "Green" card and could not apply for benefits of any kind. Even after I was able to become a citizen it was made plain to me that I should not get benefits unless I earned them. I am still not eligible for Social Security because I have not yet worked my 10 years.

You can imagine how I feel when I see illegals getting benefits of all kinds because they do not have to follow the laws, and have nothing to lose by cheating.

I will NEVER vote for any politician who supports amnesty. Period.
I am a legal immigrant. I had to be financially i... (show quote)


When some pundit states that "immigrants built this country," they mean people like you. I salute you.

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Feb 4, 2014 14:11:58   #
Liberty Tree
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
The problem with you and other Tea Partiers is that you think that EVERYBODY who doesn't drink from the Tea Party chalice is as extreme in their political ideology as you are. You just make yourself look stupid when you try to portray me as some kind of extremist. I am only extreme about debunking all of the fabrications you guys have made up. Honesty in politics is a pipe dream, I know, but can't you at least try? Aren't there enough real differences between your and the Democrats ideologies to argue them honestly and respectfully? Do you really have to make up lies and be disrespectful all the time? Do you not understand that by acting that way, you are causing all level-headed people to avoid your extremism?
The problem with you and other Tea Partiers is tha... (show quote)


Once again you accuse others of doing what you do yourself. You are an extremist and ingage in personal attacks against anyone who disagrees with you. Read your own posts. I just do not take it. Your views go against everything that made America great. You try to pass yourself off as some kind of moderate but you are not. You are an Obama minion all the way through and a Marxist at heart. You just get frustrated when people see through your charade.

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Feb 4, 2014 14:17:28   #
boofhead
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:

Actually, I thought they had the best chance with the 2008 election, but they blew it. I don't think they were prepared for the opportunity. I and many other Republicans got turned off by Sarah Palin's pick as VP, and all the Dems had was Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.


Palin is at least an outspoken supporter of conservatism. She has her faults but is way way better than Biden.

A dead opossum would be better than Obama or Biden or Hillary as President.

You fear what would happen if McCain was incapacitated and she had to take over? But you are content to see Biden in the same position?

I would not vote for McCain either, but it is because he is a RINO, not because he chose Palin as a running mate. Palin got very bad press, and it seemed to me that the opposition to her was driven primarily by the media. The campaign to destroy her was effective and rabid. This indicated that they viewed her as a real threat, and therefore she rose in my estimation. I live in Alaska and she is not well-liked here but it is because of what she did as Governor, not for any of the reasons given in the media since.

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Feb 4, 2014 14:20:21   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
boofhead wrote:
Palin is at least an outspoken supporter of conservatism. She has her faults but is way way better than Biden.

A dead opossum would be better than Obama or Biden or Hillary as President.

You fear what would happen if McCain was incapcitated and she had to take over? But you are content to see Biden in the same position?

I would not vote for McCain either, but it is because he is a RINO, not because he chose Palin as a running mate. Palin got very bad press, and it seemed to me that the opposition to her was driven primarily by the media. The campaign to destroy her was effective and rabid. This indicated that they viewed her as a real threat, and therefore she rose in my estimation. I live in Alaska and she is not well-liked here but it is because of what she did as Governor, not for any of the reasons given in the media since.
Palin is at least an outspoken supporter of conser... (show quote)


Biden is a convincing argument to wish no harm to Obama. Boehner is worse. At least Biden stays bought.

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Feb 4, 2014 14:25:41   #
boofhead
 
banjojack wrote:
When some pundit states that "immigrants built this country," they mean people like you. I salute you.


Thank you. I am married to a lovely girl from Iowa which is the reason I was eligible for immigration and I saw this country as a place we could be successful, with hard work. I never saw it as somewhere I could bludge off the system.

When enough people rely on the government for their support they will vote to continue that support and we are at or past that point now. So sad.

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