permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Read about that Russian claim, but have never seen information with it to show how it could happen. I was taught oil was plant based, how could that form from minerals in the mantle? Love it to be true.. Reserves is Wyoming, also something I need to learn more about. Are they a problem to develop or in the form of shale. I don`t know any of that.. For sure, I do not think it is wise to put a pipeline on top of our oil reserves. Or any thing like the was aquifer or any damn thing else... I am opposed to the pipeline, just to be clear on that..

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

We are all aware of your opposition to the XL Pipeline. Your reasoning however, is flawed.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

This quote from you is of interest to me.

"Lastly with the Soviets claiming the earths mantle reproduces crude in the mantle "naturally "

Some where I have hear mention of this issue before.

Who really knows & if they do. Why would they want to share it with others.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Btfkr & fom: Where is your logic? A lot of this all is about the moral relativism of the left, they need to constantly define deviancy down, if there is no more absolute right, or absolute wrong, well then anything is acceptable, like knowingly lying, abusing power and corruption, any and everything is just fine, because the ends justify the means, it's the hallmark of not only moral tyranny, but all tyranny. “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels
were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on
government would be necessary.” -James Madison

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

huh? glaucon wrote, "If we run out of fossil fuel, we will be in trouble. If we run out of drinking water and air, we are totally screwed. Can you spell extinct?" and fom stated that he had valid points and and, I paraphrase, "all the right has to say about that is we need to run out of liberals as a solution." I gave that a thumbs up to that.

So as far as your comments: I agree that the system is broken. BOTH SIDES HAVE LIED AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO unless something changes. Seems to me that the majority of rightwingers on here place all the blame of "deviancy" (whatever you mean by that) on the left and will take no responsibility for the "deviancy" on the right. There are just as many dishonest immoral politicians on the right as on the left. All persons in government need to be held accountable. I do not trust any of the corporate media to give me the truth, especially FOX. I do not trust corporations or big business to make decisions that effect the good of the country, any more than I trust the government of today. The blending of corporate power with government power is one definition of fascism. I believe we are there right now. My opinion is that there is a slightly better chance to hold them accountable from the left than from the right. Unfortunately, not all men are angles, nor is government made of angles. It is not a perfect system, but again I personally think there is a better chance of holding our government accountable from the left.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

You appear to receive all your info from the Corp. Media, excepting FOX, which is where you err. At least FOX gives BOTH sides of a topic of discussion. The others are blatantly biased toward Progressivism, and make no bones about it. The worst of the worst is MSNBC, who make no effort at providing even a scintilla of objectivity.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

ahahahaha, oh Gring, here we are. Is this the 'ol "fair and balanced" argument once again? Yes, FOX does give both sides as long as you want to hear the far right side as opposed to the not quite so far right side, both of which are seasoned with untruths which have been debunked time and time again by nonprofit organizations that are not afraid to go after either "side", left or right.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

The non-profit organizations to which you refer are ALMOST all start ups by, and financed by, that great lover of Liberty, non other than George Soros. Do you consider Juan Williams, Alan Colmes, Judy Roginsky, Bob Beckel, Leslie Marshall, et al, to be "not quite so the far right side"?

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

Sorry wrong again. The non-profits I refer to are not all financed by Soros. However I admit do read Media Matters. Yes the others you mentioned are less far right, although Comes is better since he is not Hanity's good little token liberal and actually gets to speak. Thom Hartmann? Probably my biggest media hero. Ed Schultz, not bad but not quite as much. Neither make any false claims of where they come from and neither do they pass opinions as being fact, or if they express an opinion it is obvious that is what it is. Never listened to Thom? Might try but be careful he might make sense, but to you I doubt it. Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman and sometimes the other Juan, Gonzalez that it. Totally viewer financed. Forget it you wouldn't like it if for no other reason it has the word "democracy" in it. Again they don't make any false claims about being fair and balanced, but more often than not if there is a debate opposing sides both can speak. In depth real news on real issues, that the viewer/listener is free to make up his/her own mind. FSTV? Totally viewer financed. But never mind, you wouldn't like it either. Do any of them criticize both wings? You bet you sweet bippy they do if it is warranted.

K the real crux to me is I think the Bush administration was more corrupt than the Obama administration, maybe by far. I don't think I heard a peep out of especially FOX on any of Bush and cronies immoralities. Maybe that the right wing loyal fox listeners don't see the corruption of the Bush administration is just the afore mentioned reason, never heard about it. nuff said

ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa

Btkfr: How in the hell do you get out of your rubber room?

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

They let me out but I have to be back by dark don't ya know

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Perhaps you were unaware of FOX during the Bush reign. He was castigated by those on FOX when he was wrong, but lets face it, he wasn't wrong as often as Obama is. Your handlers probably didn't need you quite so much then as now. You are definitely needed now to help cover for Obama and his minions.

The reason those you mentioned make no claims to being fair and balanced is because they can't. They are all left Progressives. Speaking of 'fair and balanced', what is wrong with having both sides give their opinions on a given subject. Everyone isn't satisfied with having just one point of view given, like the Progressives.

In what way was the Bush Administration more 'corrupt' than Obama's? Granted he involved us in a war by being given, perhaps, faulty intelligence, but he had nothing like the IRS, Benghazi, and F&F scandals that pervade the Obama Administration. If the MSM had, or would do, the vetting on Obama they did on Bush, Obama would be out of office already, and possibly be in prison. You and your like minded followers are blind ideologues. No, you are blinded by your ideology.

Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City

You missed one of my words...they make no FALSE claims of being fair and balanced. Both Thom Hartman and Amy Goodman, as I said, always have not just opposing views but more often than not extreme opposing views on their programs. I'm delighted to hear fox castigated
Bush though I would bet it was for such things as "governing like a progressive" as I have heard he did on this forum. what a joke. I'd be happy to listen to anything else. And had anyone done any real investigation on Bush, Cheney, Rhummy et all, they would likely be in jail for war crimes.

Look, it is as I have said time and time again on this forum, I am not a blind follower of Obama and his minions. I believe this country is in serious trouble. I just happen that "we the people" would be better served by solutions coming from left ideology than right side ideology. I'm not certain that those on the left are any more ideologues than those on the right, or that either side is any more blind than another.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

I didn't miss it. They make NO claims of being fair and balanced, nor anything approximating the truth, only that which they decide fits their agenda, or narrative.