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Sep 17, 2017 19:51:33   #
okie don
 
Miller v U.S. 230 F.2nd 486,489 " The claim and exercise of a Constitutional RIGHT, cannot be converted into a crime"

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Sep 17, 2017 19:51:45   #
okie don
 
(:

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Sep 17, 2017 20:19:10   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Good One

okie don wrote:
Miller v U.S. 230 F.2nd 486,489 " The claim and exercise of a Constitutional RIGHT, cannot be converted into a crime"

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Sep 17, 2017 20:23:08   #
okie don
 
Yeah, I know...
They just make their own rules as they go, the people in Black Dresses.
I term it a ' stacked deck' Ron

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Sep 17, 2017 20:59:50   #
Turk182
 
It is not only Oregon's motor vehicle code, it is all of their statutes and codes that are a joke. It is not only that state but all the states. The cops, State Patrol and Sheriffs don't know the codes. They write tickets when they don't have the jurisdiction, simple to beat in court, but the average person don't know that they need the jurisdiction or that the officer has no jurisdiction on the public roads.

The people are getting smarter and learning that these judges are committing treason on the bench. Most don't have and oath or a bond, the have an affidavit. The judge has no power if he doesn't have an oath. They also like to have only one case in the court room at a time so others don't learn anything from other cases and how they beat the corporation. Speaking of corporations, those people wo get tickets don't belong to the judges corporation of the officers or the prosecutors corporation. And I love it when the judge has to cay "Case dismissed".

Semper Fi

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Sep 17, 2017 21:04:51   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Not simple to beat in court when the judge has decided to convict you.
No federal judge has had an oath to the Constitution since 1991.

Turk182 wrote:
It is not only Oregon's motor vehicle code, it is all of their statutes and codes that are a joke. It is not only that state but all the states. The cops, State Patrol and Sheriffs don't know the codes. They write tickets when they don't have the jurisdiction, simple to beat in court, but the average person don't know that they need the jurisdiction or that the officer has no jurisdiction on the public roads.

The people are getting smarter and learning that these judges are committing treason on the bench. Most don't have and oath or a bond, the have an affidavit. The judge has no power if he doesn't have an oath. They also like to have only one case in the court room at a time so others don't learn anything from other cases and how they beat the corporation. Speaking of corporations, those people wo get tickets don't belong to the judges corporation of the officers or the prosecutors corporation. And I love it when the judge has to cay "Case dismissed".

Semper Fi
It is not only Oregon's motor vehicle code, it is ... (show quote)

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Sep 17, 2017 21:08:55   #
Turk182
 
He is committing treason.

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Sep 17, 2017 21:11:52   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
https://supremecourtcase.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/fatal-defect-in-every-federal-case-since-march-1-1991-all-such-decisions-and-judgments-void/

All 800 plus fed judges.


Turk182 wrote:
He is committing treason.

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Sep 18, 2017 12:44:40   #
Sicilianthing
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Dear enemy of the people, and officer of the slave makers:

I don't want to "interpret" the statutes. Foreign agents may, but I don't need to listen to members of the British Accreditation Registry. I have already spoken with more than 200 of them about your scam, they actually have damn little to offer.

At least Legislative Counsel Dexter Johnson was willing to say: "that law probably doesn't exist anywhere.." and Chief Deputy Attorney General Peter D. Shepherd was a little more explicit: "A public body is not required to create a public record [on request]". He wrote a two page letter to say "the titling and registration laws are "irrelevant to the general public".

But your former Director, David P. Moomaw, really said it all: "Historically we have been issuing documents of title and registration without authority in current law...". "Without authority" doesn't really take a lot of "interpretation", you silly bitch.

The statutes are just fine: "Subject to compliance with the motor vehicle laws of this state owners and operators of motor vehicles are granted the privilege to use the highways... AND so are the rules: "Operating motor vehicles in Oregon" means the physical operation of vehicles for business purposes.

However, the Oregon Constitution says: "all roads, ways and water ways are... declared for a public use." and the statutes flesh it out: "Highway means every public way... open to the general public for vehicles... as a matter of right" (most recently amended 2007) and "Roadways are that portion of the highway... ordinarily used for vehicular travel". NOT for "operating motor vehicles".

The only vehicle that is subject to the titling requirement in all of chapter 803, the titling and registration chapter, is: "a vehicle operated over the highways of this state for compensation or profit". That goes along with the "single subject" clause of the constitution just fine, doesn't it?

You might want to plead ignorance, but I don't think you will, because you're a whore, you like fucking with "the people", in whom "all power is inherent". Who the hell has enough power beyond "all power" to grant them the "privilege to drive".

Liz Woods, you will rot in hell for all the good you have done to those who are just trying to live a life, after you and yours have changed them into corporate entities by imposing a "license" by deceit and spelling their names in all caps.

Sincerely,

Richard L. Koenig, an Oregonian, I have NO "legal presence in the United States", look up "Any other state" and "United States" under Statutory Construction at ORS 174.100. Never mind, here they are.

174.100 Definitions. As used in the statute laws of this state, unless the context or a specially applicable definition requires otherwise:

(1) “Any other state” includes any state and the District of Columbia.

(6) “Person” includes individuals (sole proprietors), corporations, associations, firms, partnerships, limited liability companies and joint stock companies.

(10) “United States” includes territories, outlying possessions and the District of Columbia.

(11) “Violate” includes failure to comply



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM, WOODS Elizabeth A * Liz <Elizabeth.A.WOODS@odot.state.or.us> wrote:

Mr. Koenig:



DMV doesn’t provide legal advice.



You may want to consult Black’s Law Dictionary or an attorney if you need help interpreting statutes.



Liz Woods
Driver Programs Section
Dear enemy of the people, and officer of the slave... (show quote)



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So now what is the next step ?

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Sep 18, 2017 12:46:08   #
Sicilianthing
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Where I come from, Oregon, there is no requirement for members of the general public to have a drivers license. Period.
The SCOTUS has said 5 times the states cannot take a right to travel, convert it to a privilege and charge a fee. governing law in inferior courts are case laws of SCOTUS.


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This Statement Says it all....

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Sep 18, 2017 12:48:57   #
Sicilianthing
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Oh! I think the corporate governance at the state of state level is most concerned about revenue. They want to wring you dry.
I committed to the fight in Aug 2014. they will try you and find you guilty. If you don't like it appeal. There is no appeal for traffic. So, the war is on. Due process vrs. corporate governance.


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Bingo !

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Sep 18, 2017 12:49:44   #
Sicilianthing
 
okie don wrote:
Murdock v Penn 319 US 105 (1943)
" No State shall convert a liberty into a
Privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it".


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This is the LandMark Case that needs to be mass enforced.

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Sep 18, 2017 12:50:16   #
Sicilianthing
 
okie don wrote:
People v Horton 14 Cal.App. 3rd 667(1971) " The RIGHT of the citizen to DRIVE on the public street with freedom from police interference, unless he is engaged in suspicious conduct associated in somemanner


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Bullseye !

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Sep 18, 2017 12:51:20   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Dear enemy of the people, and officer of the slave makers:

I don't want to "interpret" the statutes. Foreign agents may, but I don't need to listen to members of the British Accreditation Registry. I have already spoken with more than 200 of them about your scam, they actually have damn little to offer.

At least Legislative Counsel Dexter Johnson was willing to say: "that law probably doesn't exist anywhere.." and Chief Deputy Attorney General Peter D. Shepherd was a little more explicit: "A public body is not required to create a public record [on request]". He wrote a two page letter to say "the titling and registration laws are "irrelevant to the general public".

But your former Director, David P. Moomaw, really said it all: "Historically we have been issuing documents of title and registration without authority in current law...". "Without authority" doesn't really take a lot of "interpretation", you silly bitch.

The statutes are just fine: "Subject to compliance with the motor vehicle laws of this state owners and operators of motor vehicles are granted the privilege to use the highways... AND so are the rules: "Operating motor vehicles in Oregon" means the physical operation of vehicles for business purposes.

However, the Oregon Constitution says: "all roads, ways and water ways are... declared for a public use." and the statutes flesh it out: "Highway means every public way... open to the general public for vehicles... as a matter of right" (most recently amended 2007) and "Roadways are that portion of the highway... ordinarily used for vehicular travel". NOT for "operating motor vehicles".

The only vehicle that is subject to the titling requirement in all of chapter 803, the titling and registration chapter, is: "a vehicle operated over the highways of this state for compensation or profit". That goes along with the "single subject" clause of the constitution just fine, doesn't it?

You might want to plead ignorance, but I don't think you will, because you're a whore, you like fucking with "the people", in whom "all power is inherent". Who the hell has enough power beyond "all power" to grant them the "privilege to drive".

Liz Woods, you will rot in hell for all the good you have done to those who are just trying to live a life, after you and yours have changed them into corporate entities by imposing a "license" by deceit and spelling their names in all caps.

Sincerely,

Richard L. Koenig, an Oregonian, I have NO "legal presence in the United States", look up "Any other state" and "United States" under Statutory Construction at ORS 174.100. Never mind, here they are.

174.100 Definitions. As used in the statute laws of this state, unless the context or a specially applicable definition requires otherwise:

(1) “Any other state” includes any state and the District of Columbia.

(6) “Person” includes individuals (sole proprietors), corporations, associations, firms, partnerships, limited liability companies and joint stock companies.

(10) “United States” includes territories, outlying possessions and the District of Columbia.

(11) “Violate” includes failure to comply



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM, WOODS Elizabeth A * Liz <Elizabeth.A.WOODS@odot.state.or.us> wrote:

Mr. Koenig:



DMV doesn’t provide legal advice.



You may want to consult Black’s Law Dictionary or an attorney if you need help interpreting statutes.



Liz Woods
Driver Programs Section
Dear enemy of the people, and officer of the slave... (show quote)



I remember when social security cards said "Not For Identification Purposes."

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Sep 18, 2017 12:51:21   #
Sicilianthing
 
okie don wrote:
with criminality, is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, which must be protected by the courts"


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Scumbag judges and Courts for profit in collusion with the Municipalities and Fraud CAFRS for profit...

It's all a scam

Activate and give the order to Vacate !

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