ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Dear enemy of the people, and officer of the s***e makers:

I don't want to "interpret" the statutes. Foreign agents may, but I don't need to listen to members of the British Accreditation Registry. I have already spoken with more than 200 of them about your s**m, they actually have damn little to offer.

At least Legislative Counsel Dexter Johnson was willing to say: "that law probably doesn't exist anywhere.." and Chief Deputy Attorney General Peter D. Shepherd was a little more explicit: "A public body is not required to create a public record [on request]". He wrote a two page letter to say "the titling and registration laws are "irrelevant to the general public".

But your former Director, David P. Moomaw, really said it all: "Historically we have been issuing documents of title and registration without authority in current law...". "Without authority" doesn't really take a lot of "interpretation", you silly b***h.

The statutes are just fine: "Subject to compliance with the motor vehicle laws of this state owners and operators of motor vehicles are granted the privilege to use the highways... AND so are the rules: "Operating motor vehicles in Oregon" means the physical operation of vehicles for business purposes.

However, the Oregon Constitution says: "all roads, ways and water ways are... declared for a public use." and the statutes flesh it out: "Highway means every public way... open to the general public for vehicles... as a matter of right" (most recently amended 2007) and "Roadways are that portion of the highway... ordinarily used for vehicular travel". NOT for "operating motor vehicles".

The only vehicle that is subject to the titling requirement in all of chapter 803, the titling and registration chapter, is: "a vehicle operated over the highways of this state for compensation or profit". That goes along with the "single subject" clause of the constitution just fine, doesn't it?

You might want to plead ignorance, but I don't think you will, because you're a whore, you like fucking with "the people", in whom "all power is inherent". Who the hell has enough power beyond "all power" to grant them the "privilege to drive".

Liz Woods, you will rot in hell for all the good you have done to those who are just trying to live a life, after you and yours have changed them into corporate entities by imposing a "license" by deceit and spelling their names in all caps.

Sincerely,

Richard L. Koenig, an Oregonian, I have NO "legal presence in the United States", look up "Any other state" and "United States" under Statutory Construction at ORS 174.100. Never mind, here they are.

174.100 Definitions. As used in the statute laws of this state, unless the context or a specially applicable definition requires otherwise:

(1) “Any other state” includes any state and the District of Columbia.

(6) “Person” includes individuals (sole proprietors), corporations, associations, firms, partnerships, limited liability companies and joint stock companies.

(10) “United States” includes territories, outlying possessions and the District of Columbia.

(11) “Violate” includes failure to comply



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM, WOODS Elizabeth A * Liz <Elizabeth.A.WOODS@odot.state.or.us> wrote:

Mr. Koenig:



DMV doesn’t provide legal advice.



You may want to consult Black’s Law Dictionary or an attorney if you need help interpreting statutes.



Liz Woods
Driver Programs Section

peter11937 Loc: NYS

If what this says is accurate, there is no requirement that a private passenger car for personal to have a registration or tite....that cannot be correct.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

This Is What Happens Because Lawyers Run Everything
So You Really Never Know....

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Look it up license plate and drivers license are commercial in every state.

color of law; legal fiction

peter11937 Loc: NYS

NY, Colorado at the very least have specific requirements in the law for pvt pas vehicles and separately, comm'l vehicles with license restriction on different weight and use thresholds. Further, they have restrictions on pvt pas. vehicles used for comm'l purposes and VERY restrictive insurance requirements , registration fees, etc. based on usage..... In ny, pas. registrations say pas comm say comm.....

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Where I come from, Oregon, there is no requirement for members of the general public to have a drivers license. Period.
The SCOTUS has said 5 times the states cannot take a right to travel, convert it to a privilege and charge a fee. governing law in inferior courts are case laws of SCOTUS.

teabag09

Kind of like taxes, don't register or become licensed and be stopped for wh**ever and see where you end up. Not agreeing, just saying. Don't know where he went but I have to agree, "lock and load with hog lube". Mike

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Oh! I think the corporate governance at the state of state level is most concerned about revenue. They want to wring you dry.
I committed to the fight in Aug 2014. they will try you and find you guilty. If you don't like it appeal. There is no appeal for traffic. So, the war is on. Due process vrs. corporate governance.

teabag09

vrooman, you are for the most part right on, one exception. My mother was ticketed for rolling through a stop sign. She tried to explain to the officer that she was legal. L,S,S. She had to go to court, Judge found her guilty. Well, she had gone to the library and looked up her infraction and was able to quote the law to the Judge. "If the view is not impeded, a vehicle directly behind another vehicle going through a stop sign may proceed through the intersection without coming to a complete stop". Case was thrown out and an officer and Judge learned a new aspect of law they hadn't known about. Consider how I was raised, couldn't get away with anything and on top of that my dad was a Msgt. USMC. Mike

peter11937 Loc: NYS

Boy oh boy sure sounds pleasantly chaotic, try explaining that to a NYS Cop in NY sometime....

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

No thanks. I have enough on my plate with Oregon.

okie don

Murdock v Penn 319 US 105 (1943)
" No State shall convert a liberty into a
Privilege, license it, and attach a fee to it".

okie don

People v Horton 14 Cal.App. 3rd 667(1971) " The RIGHT of the citizen to DRIVE on the public street with freedom from police interference, unless he is engaged in suspicious conduct associated in somemanner

okie don

with criminality, is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, which must be protected by the courts"

ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV

Don there are 5 SCOTUS case law on that subject. I filed them all into the record and the judge just rolled over them.
they are quite criminal these federal judges since 1991.