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Jul 29, 2017 18:26:06   #
Nickolai
 
thebigp wrote:
--47JH.,B43
Newly released documents from the FBI’s criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of highly classified materials highlight a “serious, but flawed investigation hindered by a lack of cooperation,” according to a new report.
Some of the 42 pages are marked “grand jury material,” indicating that the FBI considered the investigation serious enough to prosecute before a grand jury, according to a report by Fox News.
One document shows that one of Clinton’s private attorneys, Katherine Turner, had agreed to turn over one of Clinton’s non-secure Apple iPads and two of her BlackBerrys to the FBI.
However, neither smartphone had SIM cards or Secure Digital (SD) cards, the report said. A total of 13 mobile devices identified by the FBI as potentially using clintonemail.com addresses were never located by Clinton’s lawyers, according to government watchdog group Judicial Watch’s President Tom Fitton.
Some of those devices were pounded with hammers after Clinton’s homebrew servers went down or after news that Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal’s email had been hacked, the report said.
“We are presuming there are still 13 devices at issue,” Fitton told Fox News. “The new records show how badly the Obama Justice Department and FBI mishandled the Clinton email investigation.”
There are 177 redactions in the documents, including of information that would “disclose investigation techniques.”
Fitton said the FBI was played by Clinton’s lawyers and didn’t care, and he called for an audit of the investigation.
“The Trump Justice Department needs to audit this mess and figure out if the Clinton matters need to be reopened or reinvigorated,” he said.
The report notes then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s meeting on the tarmac with Bill Clinton in Phoenix, Arizona, just eight days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced he would not recommend prosecution of Clinton.
Comey would later testify that Lynch, his then-boss, directed him to use the term “matter” instead of “investigation” when discussing the investigation into Clinton, and he complied.
The documents were released just before the nominee for FBI Director Christopher Wray appeared before his confirmation hearing.
Two former FBI agents told Fox News they hope that “the atmosphere is changed with a new director.”
source--breitbart, kristina, wong, fox, katherine turner, christopher wray
--47JH.,B43 br Newly released documents from the F... (show quote)






Fake news

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Jul 29, 2017 18:53:50   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
The ACA (Obamacare) has too many major flaws to fix, it needs to go and a better healthcare plan to replace it, which would cost the American people much less to acquire, and bring down the copays and deductibles where people could afford to use it when they need it, which they can't do now.

Did you know that two people jumped to their death in New York City yesterday, leaving a suicide note saying they did this because they couldn't afford Obamacare health insurance?

When Obamacare became law, after the first year it was in effect, just over 10 million people lost their healthcare palns that they liked and wanted to keep, their doctors that they liked and trusted, and their new Obamacare healthcosts increased what they were paying by more than the $2,400 a year that a family of 4 was supposed to save in a year. Obama was passed into law on a myriad of lies, but those 10 million people who lost their healthcare insurance plans that they liked, just bought the more costly Obamacare, and are part of the 23 million that Obama and the Democrats claim that Obamacare provided healthcare insurance for, and more than half of those 23 million went on Medicaid, healthcare for the poor who can't afford Obamacare, not on Obamacare as Obama and the Democrats claim.

So with the demise or repeal of Obamacare, people will just buy healthcare from the Republican replacement, or if no replacement, on the open market as they did before Obamacare became law, and will be able to purchase either the replacement healthcare, or the open market healthcare, at a much, much lower cost than they're having to pay for Obamacare, with tremendously lower copays and deductibles. And all those who can't get healthcare insurance, the government can just put them on Medicaid, which will be much cheaper than what Obamacare is costing the federal government, and state governments, today.



Docadhoc wrote:
Something no one has addressed is the democratic turn against their constituents.

It is a foregone conclusion that the ACA is dieing. Some states now have only one carrier and some areas none at all. By blocking the right's efforts to replace the ACA, when it finally dies, the left will be responsible for every person with no coverage.

It's time to.place the blame where it belongs. The left's position is that no coverage at all is better than coverage they don't like or can take credit for.

They do not care about any people. If they did they would be striving to help create a better plan for the people they claim to love. They admit the ACA has flaws, but refuse to work toward fixes. Instead they are doing everything they can to see people lose what little healthcare security they thought they had.
Something no one has addressed is the democratic t... (show quote)

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Jul 29, 2017 19:07:08   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Personally, I'll bet on President Trump. I believe the American people are really pissed off at the Democrats for all these false accusations without an ounce of proof, only he said she said accusations. They are also going to be pissed off at the Democrats about all this organized resistance and obstructionism at all the attempts of President Trump to fulfill the promises that these American people elected him to do. Right now the economy is steam rolling, but it's not being reported by the liberal media, whose only goal is to make President Trump look bad, because he has made them look so bad and incompetent, through their publishing of 'Fake News' from only anonymous sources. I believe that President Trump will win re-election, and even pick up seats in his first midterm election, because of the hateful antics being employed by the Democrats against him, yet he is still making good but slow progress. But only time will tell, but in the future if more Democrats, than the many millions it took to vote for him that made him President, start coming to President Trump's side, like thay did for Ronald Reagan, President Trump's coattails will bring the Republicans a lot more seats in his re-election bid in 2020.



nwtk2007 wrote:
This is how it will play out.

All the investigations will peter out. Nothing will become of them.

In the next election cycle, the democrats will use the inaction of the republicans to regain Congress, both house and Senate. Trump will not run again. Democratic president gets elected, not Hillary.

However, if Trump gets the balls, he might change that narrative, but it's entirely in his court. Assuming he isn't ousted or killed.

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Jul 29, 2017 19:27:11   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Actually, Clinton Should Have Destroyed Her Phones Better

http://www.wired.com/2016/09/actually-clinton-destroyed-phones-better/


And John Dean should never have voluntarily disclosed there was a taping system in the White House Oval Office.

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Jul 29, 2017 19:56:18   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Nickolai wrote:
Fake news


You wish.

Just remember, Hillary was the best you had. How sorry can you get? That's why your party is dieing.

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Jul 29, 2017 20:14:51   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
Personally, I'll bet on President Trump. I believe the American people are really pissed off at the Democrats for all these false accusations without an ounce of proof, only he said she said accusations. They are also going to be pissed off at the Democrats about all this organized resistance and obstructionism at all the attempts of President Trump to fulfill the promises that these American people elected him to do. Right now the economy is steam rolling, but it's not being reported by the liberal media, whose only goal is to make President Trump look bad, because he has made them look so bad and incompetent, through their publishing of 'Fake News' from only anonymous sources. I believe that President Trump will win re-election, and even pick up seats in his first midterm election, because of the hateful antics being employed by the Democrats against him, yet he is still making good but slow progress. But only time will tell, but in the future if more Democrats, than the many millions it took to vote for him that made him President, start coming to President Trump's side, like thay did for Ronald Reagan, President Trump's coattails will bring the Republicans a lot more seats in his re-election bid in 2020.
Personally, I'll bet on President Trump. I believ... (show quote)


Let's talk about the democrat's #1 issue. The one they are so proud of. The ACA.

They keep talking about the people they cared for by passing it, and how the people will rebel if the right repeals it.

Well, we now all know that it is dieing and we know why. Even the MSM carries the stories when another insurance carrier drops out so it is obvious to everyone that it is failing.

Those people may well.rebel, but if will be against the democrats in D.C. who continually block any and all efforts to find fixes or replace it so that these people will continue to have coverage.

In short, the dems are cutting their own throats because when the ACA fails completely it will have been their baby that failed, and when there is nothing to replace it with, it will be the dems fault for not allowing it.

If I was Trump I'd let it die and tell America that he tried repeatedly along with the right to create a program that would care for everyone but the democrats wouldn't allow it, so when you lose your health insurance call your democratic politicians and thank them for their lack of concern.

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Jul 29, 2017 20:26:37   #
moldyoldy
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Let's talk about the democrat's #1 issue. The one they are so proud of. The ACA.

They keep talking about the people they cared for by passing it, and how the people will rebel if the right repeals it.

Well, we now all know that it is dieing and we know why. Even the MSM carries the stories when another insurance carrier drops out so it is obvious to everyone that it is failing.

Those people may well.rebel, but if will be against the democrats in D.C. who continually block any and all efforts to find fixes or replace it so that these people will continue to have coverage.

In short, the dems are cutting their own throats because when the ACA fails completely it will have been their baby that failed, and when there is nothing to replace it with, it will be the dems fault for not allowing it.

If I was Trump I'd let it die and tell America that he tried repeatedly along with the right to create a program that would care for everyone but the democrats wouldn't allow it, so when you lose your health insurance call your democratic politicians and thank them for their lack of concern.
Let's talk about the democrat's #1 issue. The one... (show quote)


ACA will die from a thousand cuts caused by the GOP, insurance companies, and pharma.

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Jul 29, 2017 23:07:47   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
moldyoldy wrote:
ACA will die from a thousand cuts caused by the GOP, insurance companies, and pharma.


The ACA will die because it was designed to fail thus enabling a government run one payor system, and passed.by a group of moronic asses who, if they cared at all about people, would be working those asses off to make a better plan to take care of those people instead of blocking any attempt to do so.

And if you didn't have your head up your ass you'd be angry at the left for making sure people lose their coverage with nothing new to cover them.

You are just like them. All mouth and zero sincerity.

Ass troll.

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Jul 29, 2017 23:09:32   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
You are correct!

But did you know that the Republicans, to get elected, only promised to repeal Obamacre, but the Democrats said if you repeal it, what are you going to replace it with, so that millions of people won't lose their healthcare. Well this tricked the Republicans into believing that they had to come up with a replacement, before they could repeal it, not thinking that after the first full year that Obamacare became law, just over 10 million Americans who had healthcare that they liked and wanted to keep, lost it, despite the lies told them by Obama and the Democrats.

So do you know what happened to those 10 million people who lost their healthcare because of Obamacare? They just bought new healthcare under Obamacare, even though they had to pay more than what Obama and the Democrats had promised them they would save under Obamacare, and their copays and deductibles went through the roof, making it almost impossible to use, unless you were rich.

So if the Republicans would have repealed Obamacare, or replaced it with another government sponsored healthcare, all those people on Obamacare who would lose their heathcare, will just do the same as those who lost their healthcare when Obamacare became law, just buy a new policy under the replacement, or if they can't come up with a replacement, buy a new policy on the open market, and either through a replacement, or on the open market, it will cost the people much, much less than what they have been forced to pay under Obamacare, and their copays and deductibles will be lowered so much that everyone who has a new policy will be able to use it, because of the afffordability of the lower copays and deductibles.

That is where we are with government sponsored healthcare, and the reason the Democrats talked the Republicans into believing they had to come up with a replacement before they repealed it, is because the Democrats knew the Republicans couldn't get together to do that, because the Democrats couldn't do it either, and the only way they got Obamacare passed, was by forcing a vote on it without letting anyone know what was in it, and the Democrats were stupid enough to go along with that.



Docadhoc wrote:
Let's talk about the democrat's #1 issue. The one they are so proud of. The ACA.

They keep talking about the people they cared for by passing it, and how the people will rebel if the right repeals it.

Well, we now all know that it is dieing and we know why. Even the MSM carries the stories when another insurance carrier drops out so it is obvious to everyone that it is failing.

Those people may well.rebel, but if will be against the democrats in D.C. who continually block any and all efforts to find fixes or replace it so that these people will continue to have coverage.

In short, the dems are cutting their own throats because when the ACA fails completely it will have been their baby that failed, and when there is nothing to replace it with, it will be the dems fault for not allowing it.

If I was Trump I'd let it die and tell America that he tried repeatedly along with the right to create a program that would care for everyone but the democrats wouldn't allow it, so when you lose your health insurance call your democratic politicians and thank them for their lack of concern.
Let's talk about the democrat's #1 issue. The one... (show quote)

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Jul 29, 2017 23:14:20   #
Dinty
 
Docadhoc wrote:
The ACA will die because it was designed to fail thus enabling a government run one payor system, and passed.by a group of moronic asses who, if they cared at all about people, would be working those asses off to make a better plan to take care of those people instead of blocking any attempt to do so.

And if you didn't have your head up your ass you'd be angry at the left for making sure people lose their coverage with nothing new to cover them.

You are just like them. All mouth and zero sincerity.

Ass troll.
The ACA will die because it was designed to fail t... (show quote)

You tell them Doc.

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Jul 30, 2017 00:25:36   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
You are correct!

But did you know that the Republicans, to get elected, only promised to repeal Obamacre, but the Democrats said if you repeal it, what are you going to replace it with, so that millions of people won't lose their healthcare. Well this tricked the Republicans into believing that they had to come up with a replacement, before they could repeal it, not thinking that after the first full year that Obamacare became law, just over 10 million Americans who had healthcare that they liked and wanted to keep, lost it, despite the lies told them by Obama and the Democrats.

So do you know what happened to those 10 million people who lost their healthcare because of Obamacare? They just bought new healthcare under Obamacare, even though they had to pay more than what Obama and the Democrats had promised them they would save under Obamacare, and their copays and deductibles went through the roof, making it almost impossible to use, unless you were rich.

So if the Republicans would have repealed Obamacare, or replaced it with another government sponsored healthcare, all those people on Obamacare who would lose their heathcare, will just do the same as those who lost their healthcare when Obamacare became law, just buy a new policy under the replacement, or if they can't come up with a replacement, buy a new policy on the open market, and either through a replacement, or on the open market, it will cost the people much, much less than what they have been forced to pay under Obamacare, and their copays and deductibles will be lowered so much that everyone who has a new policy will be able to use it, because of the afffordability of the lower copays and deductibles.

That is where we are with government sponsored healthcare, and the reason the Democrats talked the Republicans into believing they had to come up with a replacement before they repealed it, is because the Democrats knew the Republicans couldn't get together to do that, because the Democrats couldn't do it either, and the only way they got Obamacare passed, was by forcing a vote on it without letting anyone know what was in it, and the Democrats were stupid enough to go along with that.
You are correct! br br But did you know that th... (show quote)


Obama sold voters on healthcare being a right and the dems have harped on it incessantly. The right should have been presenting the costs involved in black and white instead of buying the concept. As you indicate, there are large holes in the thinking processes of the right.

However, any way you cut it, it is the democrats who are preventing any solution. The right needs to fight fire with fire and broadcast daily that they are doing everything in their power to create a workable affordable solution that will make healthcare insurance within everyone's grasp, that the ACA is doomed....and spell out why, and that when it goes down if there is nothing there to cover people.....it will because the dems would not allow it. They can say they asked the dems for suggestions but we're refused.

The PR line could be something like:

."We know the ACA is failing. Insurance companies are dropping out and people are losing their coverages. The costs of the program are not sustainable in its present form. We are trying to develope a system under which we can continue your coverages indefinitely, and to that end we have asked the congressional democrats repeatedly for suggestions and to add their experience to our effort to provide continuing healthcare coverage for you. We are saddened to report that not only have they refused to add their might to the effort, each time we have proposed a system that we believe would serve you, they have blocked its passage. It appears that the party who once said they care for you, has now become the party wanting to leave you with no answers to your future health needs. We urge you to contact your elected democratic officials and demand that they cease blocking all our attempts to provide for you, and to add their experience and knowledge to our effort to continue caring for you and your families".

The leverage is in the hands of the right. If they don't use it, they can blame themselves for any misguided repercussions.

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Jul 30, 2017 06:01:20   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
The problems are that the Democrats are still telling everyone that Obamacare is viable and just needs a few tweeks, while the Republicans can't get 50 of their own votes to agree on another healthcare plan, and there we sit in a quagmire and stranded. The best thing to do from this point is to allow Obamcare to die of it's own financial problems, but now the RINOs in the Senate want to help the Democrats try to save Obamacare. The problem it makes for our economy is that Obamacare is so expensive that the American people are using all their discretionary spending money to obtain it, leaving none for them to spend in our economy, and discretionary spending is the life blood of a growing economy, and why nothing got better in the Obama economies of each year he was President, so the USA has had no discretionary spending over the last 8 years.



Docadhoc wrote:
Obama sold voters on healthcare being a right and the dems have harped on it incessantly. The right should have been presenting the costs involved in black and white instead of buying the concept. As you indicate, there are large holes in the thinking processes of the right.

However, any way you cut it, it is the democrats who are preventing any solution. The right needs to fight fire with fire and broadcast daily that they are doing everything in their power to create a workable affordable solution that will make healthcare insurance within everyone's grasp, that the ACA is doomed....and spell out why, and that when it goes down if there is nothing there to cover people.....it will because the dems would not allow it. They can say they asked the dems for suggestions but we're refused.

The PR line could be something like:

."We know the ACA is failing. Insurance companies are dropping out and people are losing their coverages. The costs of the program are not sustainable in its present form. We are trying to develope a system under which we can continue your coverages indefinitely, and to that end we have asked the congressional democrats repeatedly for suggestions and to add their experience to our effort to provide continuing healthcare coverage for you. We are saddened to report that not only have they refused to add their might to the effort, each time we have proposed a system that we believe would serve you, they have blocked its passage. It appears that the party who once said they care for you, has now become the party wanting to leave you with no answers to your future health needs. We urge you to contact your elected democratic officials and demand that they cease blocking all our attempts to provide for you, and to add their experience and knowledge to our effort to continue caring for you and your families".

The leverage is in the hands of the right. If they don't use it, they can blame themselves for any misguided repercussions.
Obama sold voters on healthcare being a right and ... (show quote)

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Jul 30, 2017 14:20:07   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Randy131 wrote:
The problems are that the Democrats are still telling everyone that Obamacare is viable and just needs a few tweeks, while the Republicans can't get 50 of their own votes to agree on another healthcare plan, and there we sit in a quagmire and stranded. The best thing to do from this point is to allow Obamcare to die of it's own financial problems, but now the RINOs in the Senate want to help the Democrats try to save Obamacare. The problem it makes for our economy is that Obamacare is so expensive that the American people are using all their discretionary spending money to obtain it, leaving none for them to spend in our economy, and discretionary spending is the life blood of a growing economy, and why nothing got better in the Obama economies of each year he was President, so the USA has had no discretionary spending over the last 8 years.
The problems are that the Democrats are still tell... (show quote)


Yes, I'd allow the ACA die of it's own accord. And my answer to the left is "where are your suggestions"?

You see, by their discussing among themselves ways to repair the ACA they are admitting it doesn't work. I'd use that.

I'd publicly ask them that now they admit it is.flawed, why haven't they offered to help fix it? I'd publicly say that who fixes it isn't important, taking care of people is. And I'd very publicly list each time the right tried to pass legislation toward that goal, and the list.of every no vote by politician name, and publicly state that since the left has chosen to abandon the people and have preferred to do nothing for the protection of the American families, all that can be done is to allow the ACA to continue including its flaws.

Then I'd let it die.

It's time to pass the heat to the left.

The right does not take initiative and seize opportunity.

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Jul 30, 2017 14:40:14   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Yes, I'd allow the ACA die of it's own accord. And my answer to the left is "where are your suggestions"?

You see, by their discussing among themselves ways to repair the ACA they are admitting it doesn't work. I'd use that.

I'd publicly ask them that now they admit it is.flawed, why haven't they offered to help fix it? I'd publicly say that who fixes it isn't important, taking care of people is. And I'd very publicly list each time the right tried to pass legislation toward that goal, and the list.of every no vote by politician name, and publicly state that since the left has chosen to abandon the people and have preferred to do nothing for the protection of the American families, all that can be done is to allow the ACA to continue including its flaws.

Then I'd let it die.

It's time to pass the heat to the left.

The right does not take initiative and seize opportunity.
Yes, I'd allow the ACA die of it's own accord. An... (show quote)


I believe the only thing they want to push is single payer healthcare. I also believe that was their intention in the first place when they past Obama care without anyone reading it..

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Jul 30, 2017 15:07:12   #
moldyoldy
 
kankune wrote:
I believe the only thing they want to push is single payer healthcare. I also believe that was their intention in the first place when they past Obama care without anyone reading it..


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/16/luis-gutierrez/rep-gutierrez-says-hundreds-republican-amendments-/

GOP amendments to ACA.

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