vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

Oh they get it all right, at least the elitist corporate Democrats and their Rino enablers do! They keep their useful idiots focused on stupid shit like the villainous Donald Trump and the evil Russians, wrestling video's with CNN and ISIS. Meanwhile the political and corporate players are raiding the Treasury. The progressives had a nice long run financially, politically and socially but it's come to an end and they are concerned about being exposed to crimes,if not treason!

robmull Loc: florida

Very true, vettelover. "Lefty," was trying to (D)isrupt our election process in so-many-ways that they were leaving footprints and fingerprints all OVER the pathways to treachery. Not-to-worry for "lefty" though, because Hillary {as POTUS}, would have scrubbed the crime scene as clean as she scrubbed {bleached} all the unsecured government "C" {"whatever THAT means" HRC}, incriminating {hacked} evidence of intentional treason in the Islamic "jihad" terrorists home turf. And when President Trump (R), was elected, all that "scrubbing," and "bleaching," was much more of-a-problem. Hummmmmmmm.

Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas

zombietracker

No one realizes the true costs associated with their little electric death traps, they all just talk a good game. At minimum you'll need a 50 amp, 240 volt circuit to run the charger. Is your electrical service a 200 amp already? No, I didn't think so. If I come out to upgrade your service from 125, 150 amp to a 200 there's a chance it'll run ya min. $2000.00. If the service is fed from underground and I have to install larger service conductors, 2/0 copper, 3/0 aluminum it's more depending on the length and if I have to dig a new ditch to install it. Could be up to $5000.000!
These greenies never consider the cost of that little electric car they're going to buy and never consider where the energy comes from. So he lives near a gas generator plant, it's connected to the national grid. If we were to shut down the coal generators none of the alternate sources would be enough so all goes dark. His car won't run without him pushing it.
They do talk a good game, how long is it going to take for that little battery box on 4 wheels to pay for all the upgrades done to charge it? They don't know, they have to replace the batteries soon enough to. Those don't last forever.
Have them tell you of the toxic mess the disposed of solar panels are creating as they don't last forever either.
Lightning! No one ever considers the damage caused to P V electrical systems by lightning strikes. It's a cost game changer no solar system buyer ever considers as they cream their shorts having one installed so they can go green.
Ignorance is bliss as shown in our example with permadumb.
There's so much more than just buying the damn electric car these green pukes never consider.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Who cares what the Times thinks or says?

PeterS

Yeah, they are responsible for their actions but you are still the one wishing them to die...

Loki Loc: Georgia

They probably think we will discover dilithium crystals just in time, just like on Star Trek. Liberal Hobbit Dancers and reality don't belong in the same sentence, or the same zip code, for that matter.

Donna45 Loc: Florida

Democratic party. Bernie Sanders of the world.

kankune Loc: Iowa

You are such a drama queen.....

zombietracker Loc: Fema region 6

Thanks for the reply Nella. Clearly you are an experienced electrician. We forgot to mention the price of the car!!!! And my pricing per coal fired kilowatt was preobastard rates. (I was considering a wind farm at one time). The price per kilowatt must have increased 4 or5 fold by now.

Big Bass

I got all this information from you libturds.

Big Bass

I have already read the book of obumbum accomplishments. It took 3.5 seconds.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Nelly,

a couple things i would like to point out. Seems you and the other posters do not keep up with current developments in electric cars and green generation..

Production, Volvo is moving to all electric and hybrid production over the next 3 years.

Tesla is joining the family car market next year with a vehicle priced in the 20,000 dollar range..

As for me, I do have 200 amp service and several machine in my wood shop run on 240 volt..

My electric was and still has an option coal fired plant in North Dakota. The plant, Coal Creek station is ND largest plant and it as well as 3 others near by are next to the coal beds. Cheapest generation in America.

The gas plant has been on line for a couple of years and combines with other green generation. I selected the use 2 years ago..

Never the less, the electricity generated from the wind generators which have also filled ND landscapes is so cheap the technology has been install so the coal generation can be lowered to compensate with high production from the wind machines which give even cheaper electricity..

It also seems your price to install the service are well on the high side.. But I will accept you numbers anyway.

Battery research has been moving in leaps and bounds. Even today, we are far ahead of using a bank of 12 volt car batteries.

Solar panels--------Old Solar Panels: E-Waste Today, Gold Mines Tomorrow
June 21st, 2016 by Tina Casey

The global solar boom has been contributing a whole new form of electronic waste to the planet, but so far little has been done to recover and recycle the precious metals and other goodies that go into manufacturing solar panels. Blame the usual suspects, including a lack of international standards and end-of-life infrastructure.

However, with the potential for a $15 billion market by 2050 dangling in the air, it’s a safe bet that the solar panel recycling industry will take off sooner rather than later.

solar panel recyclingSolar Panel Recycling Numbers Don’t Add Up…

A couple of years ago, National Geographic took a look at solar panel lifecycle issues from raw materials to manufacturing, and on into e-waste.

The article described how and why very little solar panel recycling has been going on, and it identified the problem in a nutshell:

There aren’t enough places to recycle old solar panels, and there aren’t enough defunct solar panels to make recycling them economically attractive.

That’s about to change in a big way.


Lightning......What happens if the solar installation is struck by lightning?
Since a photovoltaic installation does not increase the probability of lightning strikes, the solar modules themselves are no more at risk than the inverter or other loads connected to the grid. However, in the rare event of the solar generator being hit by a direct lightning strike, the modules are likely to suffer considerable damage. The only thing that will help in this scenario is the integration of an external lightning protection system.

Much more frequent, by contrast, are indirect or close strikes, where a branch current of the lightning flows over the electrical installation, inducing a surge. In this case, tiered surge protection at the utility grid feed-in point or at the PV array can significantly reduce the risk of damage. In addition, modern inverters are protected against atmospheric disturbances via thermally monitored varistors.

Good grounding is essential for the proper operation and safety of your solar system. Consult with your installer if you have any questions or concerns regarding system grounding.


So, in a nutshell, I will be glad to have a look for my first electric car in a year or so... Join the progressive world or be left behind...

Loki Loc: Georgia

You must be a slow reader if it took you that long.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

I have a great deal of faith in solar as a supplement in populated areas. The space is already occupied and every single building everywhere has a roof. Not only that, most of the necessary wiring is already in place. If there's gonna be a solar panel recycling boom I can see potential in panel installations as well. The cumulative effect could be pretty significant on a national level as far as emission reduction, although the manufacture of solar panes etc. increases it at the same time in that particular event. Everything is a trade off.

I'm not a fan of big wind farms and solar panel installations, myself. I used to live near Palm Springs where one of the first big wind farms I'm aware of was built. It runs for miles. The problem with solar and wind is that they are not energy dense enough to replace fossil fuels. Sun doesn't shine...wind doesn't blow and places that rely on them have a backup generating station that uses coal or whatever (Which needs to be kept "spinning". You can't turn one on and off like a light switch) because if they don't they end up with rolling brownouts like CA had around 2000. What a mess that was!

Not only that, because they take up so much space they tend to be in the middle of nowhere (at least here in the west) which means miles of transmission lines over and through God-knows-what dangerous, and because of that, pristine landscape. Yep...it's all a trade off.

Loki Loc: Georgia

The longer the transmission lines, the greater the energy waste.

http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/PY106/Resistance.html