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Jul 9, 2017 23:08:39   #
cali
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just talked to two restaurant owners. They said when the Obamacare employee limits are gone they will start hiring again. You are a partisan joke and everyone knows it. Obama was the worst economic president we've ever had. He holds the record for sluggish, under 3% growth.

Yes! People are oblivious to his r****ded 8 years.

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Jul 10, 2017 01:32:16   #
E
 
Tgards79 wrote:
I'd rather the employees received health care. It is a tragedy that 25MM people do not have health care in this country. It is truly a tragedy. The GOP wants to make that 50 million again. You are correct, Obama had the lowest GDP growth, 2.9%, of any post-WWII president. Let's see how Trump does. So far he is at 1.4%. The world economy has changed.


ust want to reply to the most outrageous part of your statement. "It is a tragedy that 25MM people do not have health care in this country. It is truly a tragedy. The GOP wants to make that 50 million again." You're a lying son of a b***h. Republicans don't want to take away peoples insurance. They don't want to increase the numbers of uninsured. They want people to take responsibility for their own lives and get their own insurance. They don't want to saddle employers with bull s**t insurance programs that meat the ACA regulations. Buy the insurenance you want at what you can afford. ACA was never about insurance, It was all about an ultra expensive welfare program in a country with all to many welfare programs.

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Jul 10, 2017 10:48:16   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
E wrote:
ust want to reply to the most outrageous part of your statement. "It is a tragedy that 25MM people do not have health care in this country. It is truly a tragedy. The GOP wants to make that 50 million again." You're a lying son of a b***h. Republicans don't want to take away peoples insurance. They don't want to increase the numbers of uninsured. They want people to take responsibility for their own lives and get their own insurance. They don't want to saddle employers with bull s**t insurance programs that meat the ACA regulations. Buy the insurenance you want at what you can afford. ACA was never about insurance, It was all about an ultra expensive welfare program in a country with all to many welfare programs.
ust want to reply to the most outrageous part of y... (show quote)


Yes...responsibility. Accountability. Two words they're not familiar with, and apparently have never heard of.

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Jul 10, 2017 10:50:37   #
Big Bass
 
Loki wrote:
You must be a slow reader if it took you that long.


It was night time and we had a power cut at the time.

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Jul 10, 2017 15:08:50   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Nelly,

a couple things i would like to point out. Seems you and the other posters do not keep up with current developments in electric cars and green generation..

Production, Volvo is moving to all electric and hybrid production over the next 3 years.

Tesla is joining the family car market next year with a vehicle priced in the 20,000 dollar range..

As for me, I do have 200 amp service and several machine in my wood shop run on 240 volt..

My electric was and still has an option coal fired plant in North Dakota. The plant, Coal Creek station is ND largest plant and it as well as 3 others near by are next to the coal beds. Cheapest generation in America.

The gas plant has been on line for a couple of years and combines with other green generation. I selected the use 2 years ago..

Never the less, the electricity generated from the wind generators which have also filled ND landscapes is so cheap the technology has been install so the coal generation can be lowered to compensate with high production from the wind machines which give even cheaper electricity..

It also seems your price to install the service are well on the high side.. But I will accept you numbers anyway.

Battery research has been moving in leaps and bounds. Even today, we are far ahead of using a bank of 12 volt car batteries.

Solar panels--------Old Solar Panels: E-Waste Today, Gold Mines Tomorrow
June 21st, 2016 by Tina Casey

The global solar boom has been contributing a whole new form of electronic waste to the planet, but so far little has been done to recover and recycle the precious metals and other goodies that go into manufacturing solar panels. Blame the usual suspects, including a lack of international standards and end-of-life infrastructure.

However, with the potential for a $15 billion market by 2050 dangling in the air, it’s a safe bet that the solar panel recycling industry will take off sooner rather than later.

solar panel recyclingSolar Panel Recycling Numbers Don’t Add Up…

A couple of years ago, National Geographic took a look at solar panel lifecycle issues from raw materials to manufacturing, and on into e-waste.

The article described how and why very little solar panel recycling has been going on, and it identified the problem in a nutshell:

There aren’t enough places to recycle old solar panels, and there aren’t enough defunct solar panels to make recycling them economically attractive.

That’s about to change in a big way.


Lightning......What happens if the solar installation is struck by lightning?
Since a photovoltaic installation does not increase the probability of lightning strikes, the solar modules themselves are no more at risk than the inverter or other loads connected to the grid. However, in the rare event of the solar generator being hit by a direct lightning strike, the modules are likely to suffer considerable damage. The only thing that will help in this scenario is the integration of an external lightning protection system.

Much more frequent, by contrast, are indirect or close strikes, where a branch current of the lightning flows over the electrical installation, inducing a surge. In this case, tiered surge protection at the utility grid feed-in point or at the PV array can significantly reduce the risk of damage. In addition, modern inverters are protected against atmospheric disturbances via thermally monitored varistors.

Good grounding is essential for the proper operation and safety of your solar system. Consult with your installer if you have any questions or concerns regarding system grounding.


So, in a nutshell, I will be glad to have a look for my first electric car in a year or so... Join the progressive world or be left behind...
Nelly, br br a couple things i would like to poin... (show quote)


First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.

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Jul 10, 2017 15:21:05   #
E
 
Nella wrote:
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the ... (show quote)


Thanks for posting. Well said.

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Jul 10, 2017 15:37:29   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
E wrote:
Thanks for posting. Well said.


You bet E, this 8oz filet is delicious and that pillow is calling me.

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Jul 10, 2017 15:45:59   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Nella wrote:
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the ... (show quote)


Right on, Nella. Great post. Enjoyed it very much!

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Jul 10, 2017 16:11:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=Nella]First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.

Nella,

I did not try to knock you experience of ability.. You seem to be near the top..

But I replied to the things in that post.. And I stand by what I said..

scrubbers are for particulate matter and have little effect on CO2.. Not any solution for GW...

Storms all over the county, I have two trees down and am slowly cleaning up.. GW at work??

windmills do k**l birds, to my unhappiness.. But I once worked for a RR which had a nature area by a wet area and a cross country power line overhead.. dozens of duck and other birds k**led every day. Sad..

No, windmills and solar collects may be interesting but far from attractive to have to look at every day..

But the clouds of smog and gray skylines are far less attractive. to say nothing of the sick and quality of life..

I see no chance of the area itself needing to be upgraded with new grid lines..

Several people on the lake do have solar, one at least with a wind mill.. But have not talked to any of them about their set ups..

I can go to the nearest home center and buy a approx 2 x 3 ft collector that will power a light and a keyboard.

And efficiency gets better every week... Big coal said NO to clean coal research in 1991.. they had a chance and they declared it was not worth working and investing in..

so now we go, renewable, green, non fossil... what ever you wish to call it... It is the future..

OH, my car.... nearly forgot.. still love to have one, but getting a bit long in the tooth and do not yet need an new car.. Who knows, in a year or two, I may not be getting any car for one reason or another..

Get some sleep... You storm troops need some of that....

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Jul 10, 2017 17:01:19   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
kankune wrote:
Right on, Nella. Great post. Enjoyed it very much!


Oh you are quite welcome Kankune.
Sleep isn't going to come until I get the rest out.
Back to ozero's economy, has anyone here heard some of the coal towns people's stories after work went away?

Here's just one that I'll share.
Indian, mudslime or some other foreign doctor sets up a clinic in town, there are some white, pink and yellow ones here and there to don't get me wrong. O k, so the clinic is for pain, weight loss or any number of depression or psychological made up grievances. One person stops in one clinic and receives a prescription for 120 norcos, 120 soma and 120 xanax. They sell some to a friend or relative who then gets the taste for that s**t. Then they go get the same script. Then both sell a few to a few more people who then gotta have more. Multiple clinics have opened accross the area providing similar services and those 4 or 5 people have multiple resources to draw from each month, eating and selling the poison to more and more people. See, now there's a revenue chain at work keeping the formerly out of work miners, family and friends with cash coming in and clinics with a doctor and staff working.
$9 to $12 bucks a pop for the norcos, $6 to $8 for the xanax and $3 to $5 for the soma.
I'm told that in the right combination the norco and soma mirror a heroin high. The xanax just wipe you out. The chain keeps growing because there's no work now or in the future.
The hag said she was going to put a lot of coal workers out of work campaigning. That's all some of these boys know!
2 overdose this month, 3 last month soon a third of the male population of one town is locked up or dead. But hey, ozero's economy keeps going inspite of Trump right.
Hell of a way to wipe out a portion of the nation but they're white so no matter.

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Jul 10, 2017 17:52:19   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
[quote=permafrost]
Nella wrote:
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.

Nella,

I did not try to knock you experience of ability.. You seem to be near the top..

But I replied to the things in that post.. And I stand by what I said..

scrubbers are for particulate matter and have little effect on CO2.. Not any solution for GW...

Storms all over the county, I have two trees down and am slowly cleaning up.. GW at work??

windmills do k**l birds, to my unhappiness.. But I once worked for a RR which had a nature area by a wet area and a cross country power line overhead.. dozens of duck and other birds k**led every day. Sad..

No, windmills and solar collects may be interesting but far from attractive to have to look at every day..

But the clouds of smog and gray skylines are far less attractive. to say nothing of the sick and quality of life..

I see no chance of the area itself needing to be upgraded with new grid lines..

Several people on the lake do have solar, one at least with a wind mill.. But have not talked to any of them about their set ups..

I can go to the nearest home center and buy a approx 2 x 3 ft collector that will power a light and a keyboard.

And efficiency gets better every week... Big coal said NO to clean coal research in 1991.. they had a chance and they declared it was not worth working and investing in..

so now we go, renewable, green, non fossil... what ever you wish to call it... It is the future..

OH, my car.... nearly forgot.. still love to have one, but getting a bit long in the tooth and do not yet need an new car.. Who knows, in a year or two, I may not be getting any car for one reason or another..

Get some sleep... You storm troops need some of that....
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the ... (show quote)


Here frosty, enjoy me falling from grace.
Promise you'll watch it
https://youtu.be/2eBZqmL8ehg

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Jul 10, 2017 17:52:32   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Nella wrote:
Oh you are quite welcome Kankune.
Sleep isn't going to come until I get the rest out.
Back to ozero's economy, has anyone here heard some of the coal towns people's stories after work went away?

Here's just one that I'll share.
Indian, mudslime or some other foreign doctor sets up a clinic in town, there are some white, pink and yellow ones here and there to don't get me wrong. O k, so the clinic is for pain, weight loss or any number of depression or psychological made up grievances. One person stops in one clinic and receives a prescription for 120 norcos, 120 soma and 120 xanax. They sell some to a friend or relative who then gets the taste for that s**t. Then they go get the same script. Then both sell a few to a few more people who then gotta have more. Multiple clinics have opened accross the area providing similar services and those 4 or 5 people have multiple resources to draw from each month, eating and selling the poison to more and more people. See, now there's a revenue chain at work keeping the formerly out of work miners, family and friends with cash coming in and clinics with a doctor and staff working.
$9 to $12 bucks a pop for the norcos, $6 to $8 for the xanax and $3 to $5 for the soma.
I'm told that in the right combination the norco and soma mirror a heroin high. The xanax just wipe you out. The chain keeps growing because there's no work now or in the future.
The hag said she was going to put a lot of coal workers out of work campaigning. That's all some of these boys know!
2 overdose this month, 3 last month soon a third of the male population of one town is locked up or dead. But hey, ozero's economy keeps going inspite of Trump right.
Hell of a way to wipe out a portion of the nation but they're white so no matter.
Oh you are quite welcome Kankune. br Sleep isn't g... (show quote)


It's sad sad Nella. Opioids are a serious problem. Hey..where are u from Weatherford? I lived there for 3 years working on a horse ranch. Also...love Kid Rock. Use to see him a lot when I lived in MI. : )

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Jul 10, 2017 17:57:28   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
kankune wrote:
It's sad sad Nella. Opioids are a serious problem. Hey..where are u from Weatherford? I lived there for 3 years working on a horse ranch. Also...love Kid Rock. Use to see him a lot when I lived in MI. : )


No mam, From Southpark Houston, fitting right? until I was 7 and deseg and r**ts etc. place got dark late 60s
Moved to Cypress and grad from Cy Fair HS
Now La Porte because it's small where we raised our children.

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Jul 11, 2017 20:23:09   #
Steve700
 
Nella wrote:
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.

I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.

Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.
First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the ... (show quote)

I see you say you are a really good and competent electrician. So you sound just like the man I need to talk to. I am currently having an electrical problem where the main breakers which are two 100 ampers tied together, continued to flip over a two or three hour time period. That makes no sense to me because the smaller circuit breakers aren't flipping, so how can the big one be the one that is flipping??? I have narrowed it down as to which small circuit breaker the problematic electrical current is going through by turning each one off one at a time. I found which circuit breaker, that when off, prevents the main from flipping. With each small circuit breaker, while I had it off, I wrote everything down recording which sockets and switches were being operated through each circuit breaker. My question is Will replacing that small circuit breaker (that when down results in the main not flipping) resolve the problem ??? -- (As it is now, I am using extension cords to other circuits to run the things that normally would run through the breaker that when off, keeps the main from flipping.) 2ndly , if replacing that circuit breaker I am keeping off to keep the main from flipping, will have no effect to stop the main from flipping, is that going to be a big problem or an impossible problem to find exactly what wiring to wh**ever switch or socket is causing the problem??? Maybe you even have an idea of my expected cost. I would appreciate your answer very much. Thank you

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Jul 11, 2017 21:19:33   #
Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas
 
Steve700 wrote:
I see you say you are a really good and competent electrician. So you sound just like the man I need to talk to. I am currently having an electrical problem where the main breakers which are two 100 ampers tied together, continued to flip over a two or three hour time period. That makes no sense to me because the smaller circuit breakers aren't flipping, so how can the big one be the one that is flipping??? I have narrowed it down as to which small circuit breaker the problematic electrical current is going through by turning each one off one at a time. I found which circuit breaker, that when off, prevents the main from flipping. With each small circuit breaker, while I had it off, I wrote everything down recording which sockets and switches were being operated through each circuit breaker. My question is Will replacing that small circuit breaker (that when down results in the main not flipping) resolve the problem ??? -- (As it is now, I am using extension cords to other circuits to run the things that normally would run through the breaker that when off, keeps the main from flipping.) 2ndly , if replacing that circuit breaker I am keeping off to keep the main from flipping, will have no effect to stop the main from flipping, is that going to be a big problem or an impossible problem to find exactly what wiring to wh**ever switch or socket is causing the problem??? Maybe you even have an idea of my expected cost. I would appreciate your answer very much. Thank you
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Steve,
This could be very simple or difficult to diagnose especially from a keyboard at a distance. I'll give you some scenarios that may help conclude your repair.
1. The main has weakened over time making it overheat and trip before the branch circuit breaker.
2. The branch circuit is faulty and may never trip on overload resulting in the main overheating and tripping instead.
3. The main has a lower AIC rating than the branch circuit breaker and will always trip first. My first move is to check these ratings to make sure they are coordinated so this doesn't happen.
4. The terminations at the main either at the lugs where the service entrance conductors terminate or the bolted connection where the main ties to the buss.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If the ratings of the breakers are coordinated I would definitely replace the branch circuit breaker. I would never tell you to try any of the techniques I use to tighten the lugs at the line side of the main. You need to de energize the service before attempting that. Add some penetrox to these connections if you are able, it's an anti corrosion grease that's about $12 a tube. All our meters are digital and have a tamper proof ring but if the meter is removable and is, the power company gets an alarm and shows up to see why the power is off. I recommend setting up an outage with them to perform the lug tightening and inspection or main breaker replacement if that's what you need to do.
AIC ratings are listed on the side of the breakers in 10K, 15K, 20k, 25k etc. etc.
If the main is rated at 10K AIC and the branch breaker is 20K the main is probably going to trip first in a fault current situation, i.e. short circuit. Overloads are different, the breakers are a thermal sensing device and trip when they overheat in a predetermined time.
Try swapping the trouble branch circuit from the breaker it's currently on with one that doesn't get much use and see if that cures the problem. If it does, replace the problem breaker.
I hope this helps and please make sure to deenergize anything you work on so we can continue participating with you here on OPP.

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