permafrost wrote:
Nelly,
a couple things i would like to point out. Seems you and the other posters do not keep up with current developments in electric cars and green generation..
Production, Volvo is moving to all electric and hybrid production over the next 3 years.
Tesla is joining the family car market next year with a vehicle priced in the 20,000 dollar range..
As for me, I do have 200 amp service and several machine in my wood shop run on 240 volt..
My electric was and still has an option coal fired plant in North Dakota. The plant, Coal Creek station is ND largest plant and it as well as 3 others near by are next to the coal beds. Cheapest generation in America.
The gas plant has been on line for a couple of years and combines with other green generation. I selected the use 2 years ago..
Never the less, the electricity generated from the wind generators which have also filled ND landscapes is so cheap the technology has been install so the coal generation can be lowered to compensate with high production from the wind machines which give even cheaper electricity..
It also seems your price to install the service are well on the high side.. But I will accept you numbers anyway.
Battery research has been moving in leaps and bounds. Even today, we are far ahead of using a bank of 12 volt car batteries.
Solar panels--------Old Solar Panels: E-Waste Today, Gold Mines Tomorrow
June 21st, 2016 by Tina Casey
The global solar boom has been contributing a whole new form of electronic waste to the planet, but so far little has been done to recover and recycle the precious metals and other goodies that go into manufacturing solar panels. Blame the usual suspects, including a lack of international standards and end-of-life infrastructure.
However, with the potential for a $15 billion market by 2050 dangling in the air, it’s a safe bet that the solar panel recycling industry will take off sooner rather than later.
solar panel recyclingSolar Panel Recycling Numbers Don’t Add Up…
A couple of years ago, National Geographic took a look at solar panel lifecycle issues from raw materials to manufacturing, and on into e-waste.
The article described how and why very little solar panel recycling has been going on, and it identified the problem in a nutshell:
There aren’t enough places to recycle old solar panels, and there aren’t enough defunct solar panels to make recycling them economically attractive.
That’s about to change in a big way.
Lightning......What happens if the solar installation is struck by lightning?
Since a photovoltaic installation does not increase the probability of lightning strikes, the solar modules themselves are no more at risk than the inverter or other loads connected to the grid. However, in the rare event of the solar generator being hit by a direct lightning strike, the modules are likely to suffer considerable damage. The only thing that will help in this scenario is the integration of an external lightning protection system.
Much more frequent, by contrast, are indirect or close strikes, where a branch current of the lightning flows over the electrical installation, inducing a surge. In this case, tiered surge protection at the utility grid feed-in point or at the PV array can significantly reduce the risk of damage. In addition, modern inverters are protected against atmospheric disturbances via thermally monitored varistors.
Good grounding is essential for the proper operation and safety of your solar system. Consult with your installer if you have any questions or concerns regarding system grounding.
So, in a nutshell, I will be glad to have a look for my first electric car in a year or so... Join the progressive world or be left behind...
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First off frosty, I'm a master Electrician in the trade 38+ years.
I've been working on power lines and infrastructure for about 10 now plus 8 months ago I completed the installation of Houston's Metro light rail red, green and purple lines. As a general Foreman over the crews that installed 16, 15KV to 750VDC substations. All the signal houses and enclosures including grade crossing gates, signals and coordinated it all with the traffic control devices. That's just for starters.
I sat through a 911 auger rod grounding seminar back in 96 for Police, fire and ems radio tower grounds.
I've seen a lot of the effects of lightning.
The reason I'm just replying to you today at this early hour is I'm off work since being called out on Sunday, I love those by the way, and just got home for some rest. We have had thunder storms here since early yesterday consequently knocking out lots of power all over. We've been out most of yesterday, last night and this morning repairing lightning damaged equipment.
I forgot by the way to add to my middle of the road estimate, because that's what that pricing was, the extra $2000+ at least for your lightning ground system. That still puts your $20,000 vulva at $30,000+ after tax title and an electrician. You haven't bought your what? $10,000 solar array and the batteries, inverter/charger and t***sfer switch plus any additional permits with state and local charges.
I know, you are already set because you are ahead with your 200amp service but think of the effect on just your distribution circuit if everyone living around you does exactly the same. I have to upgrade the power lines and associated equipment to accommodate that increase of capacity.
Watch out for those varistors, they explode when hit with enough surge. Avalanche diodes has been the new technology since the late 90s.
Then let's get to those ugly ass windmills that I despise seeing on the horizon of some formerly beautiful countryside. Those things are hideous and k**l a lot of s**t trying to fly by in migration or just in their habitat. That ain't cool and I ain't no tree hugger wanting to save every prairie dog out there. Lord I tire of repeating this.
When I see hundred acre solar installations in areas of former grass lands or different landscapes it churns my stomach. I h**e those green installations, they're huge and hideous.
What the hell? We could have spent our resources cleaning up the coal plants with scrubbing technology, kept the coal miners working and off the k**ler narcodics a lot of those towns are dying from now.
Then again we could have built a bunch of nuclear reactors on the coast so when the big one hits we end up like fuckoshima.
Appreciate you letting me rant, I'm really tired and needing some sleep.
Enjoy your new vulva, I hope it takes you everywhere you want to go. I'll keep my coal fired F350 superduty so I can haul ass or anything for that matter, anytime I need to.